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Any cannon kit recommendation?
modeller_masa replied to modeller_masa's topic in Wood ship model kits
That is breathtaking art! I can't imagine how many techniques and knowledge you used to build the project from the plan. -
I can't copy and post my rigging guide book, so I searched for similar walkthrough video. In addition, you may find some useful information in the old build log. Not all the riggings are correct.
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Any cannon kit recommendation?
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As long as I do research, I'm finding out what I'm missing. The climb will be long but exciting. I hope I meet my goal without a lot of difficulties. Thank you for introducing the promising book, GrandpaPhil. I buy it. -
https://www.agesofsail.com/ecommerce/mantua-cannon-kit-french-carronade-ma800.html While I was making the cross section kit, I felt I needed more detailed information about some parts, especially the cannon. I researched some cannon kits, and found Manual 800 and 806 cannon kits. There are some hesitations because the kit designs were built for forts, not moving ships. I'm not sure the 800 and 806 cannons were installed on ships in the same shape. Is there any recommendation for cannon kits except Mantua kits? Scratch build plan are the most wanted. I would like to build cannons and cannon rigging academically. also, I want to detail the wooden deck and gunwale. Cannon-specialized reference books are also welcome! ------------- Loading procedure https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cayTFunCkBA Reference books - Treatise of Artillery: Containing ... to which is Prefixed, an Introduction with a Theory of Powder Applied to Fire-arms / John Millan, 1768
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Oops, I didn't update this log. I'm sorry I left it for a long time. Both the AL's manual and metal caps are wrong. It is good to fix them. Alignment 🤔 😆 I used clove hitch knot. The sail is half size because I'm making a furled version. ★ Don't furl the sail before rigging work! It is really exciting work. 😆
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Thank you Roger, I'll practice and learn the stick method again. I used CA glue because it dries fast and protects cords from mashing. I can use acrylic medium or PVA glue which are slow. It is a reason I'm coming back to stick. It is good to hear that someone has already considered the same issue; how to read thread thickness on plans. The underscale rigging may imply how he ovecame the issue.
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@Cathead It is not only dry, but also clamped. The 0.25mm is the thickness of cords rather than the entire thread. The difference between thread and cord is critical because our eyes recognize the thickness of thread as the volume of ropes in a model. In my opinion, there is a mismatch between the standards of the traditional weaving industry and an actual usage of threads in the model hobby. It is easier to buy "0.25mm threads" than "0.50mm visible thickness threads." BUT, If I see rigging plans from Ancre, I'm afraid of which thickness threads I should use. @Roger Pellett The traditional method is rational, but the CA glue with the digital vernier calipers is a lot faster and more accurate than it, in my opinion. I had minor difficulties with the inch-long rod because cords were compressed when I tied threads too tight. In my conclusion, this is the best method for choosing appropriate threads based on real ships. (1) Calculating "visible thickness" from the original ropes - 4 inch thick rope → 1/12 inch threads (1/48 scale) (2) Finding the same "visible thickness" threads after applying CA glue, PVA glue, Acrylic medium, or shellac.
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I have a question about the thickness of threads in a kit. I used CA glue to harden the thread. I would say that this method shows the exact thickness of threads when I see them. Amann Serafil 120 Without CA glue - 0.07mm Amann Serafil 120 With CA glue - 0.14mm (+100%) Amann Serafil 30 Before - 0.20mm, After - 0.35mm (+75%) Amann Serafil 10 Before - 0.55mm, After - 0.70mm (+27%) As you can see, this method is easier and faster than other measuring methods. During further experiments, I had a question about the appropriate thickness of threads in a kit. According to AL's kit instructions, the supplied threads have a thickness of 0.25mm. When I measured it with digital vernier calipers, it was 0.25mm. After I applied CA glue, it increased to 0.50mm. How do you think about the difference? Unfortunately, this ship (San Francisco) wasn't real, so I have no reference for actual rope. Should kit companies fix their measuring method?
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I have a question about the AL San Francisco cross section kit. While I was checking reality with 1/50 paper figures, I found the position of side ladder a bit weird. The wall is too high, and there is no inside ladder. On the contrary, the Swedish Dutch ship Papegojan had an inside ladder. It is suspicious that another gimmick filled the model ship without reality. Did historical ships have this structure? If not, I'll simply remove the side ladder.
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I wanted to forget a memory that I lost some parts of the Papegojan 1627. 😱 The AL San Francisco Cross Section may heal my wounded heart. Because of the kit's unreality, its assembly ability is extremely good. I would say that children are able to build this kit without much difficulty. I added some temporary planks (yellow arrows) to harden the frame's shape. The 1st planking is done. At this point, I decided to change the second plank from stock sapelle to my Asian pearwood. After some trial and error, I made straight strips using a laser cutter. As I said, the kit has many fatal errors. It just combined every detail that people might like. - The ladders (Red) are too slow, and the width is narrower than shoulder width. - The grating frames are on the beams (Blue). - The cross sectional diagram is not realistic (Green). I referred to the cross sectional diagram from the contemporary wreckage ship. ( Source : https://albaola.org/proceso-de-construccion/ , https://www.patrimoniocultural.gov.pt/media/uploads/trabalhosdearqueologia/18/22.pdf ) But, I stopped in the middle of modification. I didn't want to pay more than a month for this kit, so I left the cross sectional diagram incomplete. Also, I I cut the beam to expand the space for grating frames. The thicker beam was part of the modification for realistic structure. By the way, I decided to skip the ladder. I thought it made more sense. This is an internal painting. I applied a cherry-colored gel stain. The outside and cross section are Asian pearwood. I love the pink wood. The next step will be gunports.
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Whether the gratings are historically true or not, I didn't like the red-arrowed edges. https://www.onwardmarine.com/product/solid-teak-square-grating/ For a better outfit, I designed gratings surrounding the border, like this commercial gratings. This design is proven and ready for laser-cut. I'm curious that 18th century ships had similar gratings.
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Failed print but also not fine enough detail
modeller_masa replied to Srenner's topic in 3D-Printing and Laser-Cutting.
I had the same experience with 0.20mm thin shrouds. I consider the parts inappropriate without thousands of supporters or more strong metal-material 3D printers. The sailing ship won't be conquered by 3D printers easily. -
Here is link to my device. As I said, cutting width is about 0.40mm and depth is 6mm in the case of cherry wood. +++ I researched a little bit, and found that a fiber laser is much bigger and more expensive. I guess the Chinese manufacture lied about the specs. It is curious that a real fiber laser cutter has less than 0.20mm kerfs. The treenail marks are amazing. I didn't learn to draw spots yet. Probably very small circles would work in the same way.
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I bought the NRG thin strip saw jig for cutting planks, but I found that my table saw isn't compatible with it, unfortunately. This is my alternative method to cutting accurate thickness, which is important for deck planking. First, I cut my asian peer woods. Today's weather is clear with a little smog. I'm so scared of my table saw, so I don't measure the thickness accurately now. The plank size is 600 x 35 mm, or 2 feet x 1 1/3 inch. Thickness is vary. The next is Byrnes thickness sander. It punches material and makes a loud noise, but works pretty well. I made all the sheets 1.00mm thick. I own a $500 fiber laser cutter. Cheaper laser cutters that use a blu-ray drive diode are much inferior to fiber laser. I designed a very simple g-code that cut 135mm x 4.20mm thick planks. Final result. The size is 134.80 mm x 4.02 mm, and the gap between planks is about 0.40mm, which is thinner than half the thickness of a table saw blade. Also, it is much safer. The burning marks at the sides may be a good expression of deck caulking. I put my large Proxxon table saw in a warehouse. 😎
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I bought the Veritas miniature plow plane, but it wasn't as useful as the miniature block plane. It was too small to keep the track straight. I confirmed every plan in the instructions is in the wrong scale. It is good to download and print the original instruction PDF files from Model-Expo.
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The next is the level 2 Norwegian Sailing Pram. Unfortunately, this kit also has some minor laser cutting issues. Don't forget to enlarge plans in the instructions! My ratio was 102.85%. Bow transom. Stern transom. I made my life better again. Bottom planks. It is a bit tricky to make rabbets and gains. I didn't want to order an expensive Veritas plow plane, so I modified my Veritas block plane. Planking is done. Skeg and bilge keels. Finally, I removed the building board. I'll print the enlarged plans tomorrow. 😴
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IMPORTANT NOTICE DOWNLOAD ALL THE PDF MANUALS FROM THE MODEL EXPO WEBSITE AND PRINT PLANS YOU NEED. ALL THE 1:1 PLANS IN THE PAPER INSTRUCTIONS FOR THE THREE KITS ARE WRONG. (NOT EXACTLY 1:1) CHECK THAT THE PRINT SCALE OPTION IS DEFAULT OR 100%. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ While I was frustrated that I lost the figurehead of the Papegojan, I tried another kit to recover my mind. I have no complaint about this kit is perfect start for beginners. Unfortunately, I found some minor errors, such as wrong laser cut or inappropriate plan size on the manuals, so I'll leave only a few short pics to help other builders. The plans in the instructions are downsized. I scanned it and enlarged it to 102.9%. I guess that the prototype sample by the professor is different from the mass production version. It is a simple tip to make my life better. This is a critical error. The guiding line on one side of the planks goes inside because both plank sheets are identical. I would say that the kit manufacturer forgot to reverse the opposite sheet. The risers goes here. The Lowell Grand Banks Dory is done!
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Hot stamping pen
modeller_masa replied to modeller_masa's topic in Modeling tools and Workshop Equipment
I received the hot stamping tool and the hot stamping foil. The pen is USB-powered, so I needed an external battery pack. The pen's weight is very light, like a pencil. The back-adhesive side has a pinky metal color. I tested the strength of the foil. When I applied it to paper and wood, it was so strong that I couldn't remove it with my nail. I had to scrap it with a chisel blade. On the contrary, it also works on plastic runners, but it is relatively weak and a bit hard to apply with the default pen. Metal never attached the foil. When I tried to use it bigger than the pen's size, I had several difficulties. The picture shows many pen strokes. I tried to apply it on a wide surface with a leather work iron. I set the temperature at 125℃. (250℉) Unfortunately, the foil was so sensitive that it didn't allow for a uniform surface. I saw some guides for applying the foil to T-shirts. I guess I need another tool to apply it over a wide area. The appropriate varnish should only be water-based. When I tested a solvent-based varnish, the gold surface melted or lost the glossy finish. In my opinion, this tool is good for paper and wooden models, especially those with narrow or small areas. For example, a figurehead doesn't need to have a uniformly glossy gold surface. In that case, this hot stamping pen would be a reasonable and intuitive tool with a quick and fast result. It is a bad thing that I can't make copper sheathing plates with the foil... -
I found a useful metal-gold plating tool. It is a hot stamping pen or a hot foil pen. It uses a heat-activated foil with iron. The iron's temperature is 175~200℃ (350~400℉), so I can't use the pen for plastic kits. There are a lot of colors of heat-activated foil. It seems like a very simple, easy, and intuitive tool. The surface is more shiny than brush painting because it is real aluminium metal. I hope it lasts longer than metal-colored paints. The residues can be cut with a cutter like I handle masking tape. In addition, I saw some videos that the heat-activated foil also works with laser printer toner. With very accurate temperature control, I may add very detailed metal-gold plated patterns on the paper hull. https://www.profoil.com/introduction-toner-foiling/ I'll try the tool on wooden and paper ships.
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