Robp1025

2 minutes ago, allanyed said:

Rob,

 

Madrid Naval Museum (museonavalmadrid@fn.mde.es) has what I believe are contemporary drawings of Montanes as well as written descriptions of her  interior and other ships of her class.  One drawing is available at RMG as well.

 https://www.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/rmgc-object-79963,   

 

 Regarding a book, are you looking for information on how to construct the ship from scratch?  

 

 Ocre has plans for Montanes but after seeing photos of their model on their website one may wonder if accuracy was a priority for them.

 

Allan 

Yea I'm looking something like the AOTS series for the Beagle and the Constitution

38 minutes ago, mtaylor said:

I hope others have an answer but I'm not sure there is a book on Montanes as such.  We do have some logs for her.  A bit of Googling sends one all over the place with most links being for the kit.

Yea I have spent the past couple of days scouting. I sent a pm to amalio(I am spelling their name wrong for sure) who is the only scratch montanes build I have seen to see what they are using for reference 

Hey everyone so I'm looking for some resources on the Montanes. It is going to be my next ship and I want to do more justice to it then I did to my beagle and do some real research on the plans and rigging and all. I will most likely be done my Beagle in the next week as I am pretty much there. I am thinking of also purchasing the plans but have no idea where I could purchase it so a link for that too would be awesome. 

Alright making some progress after fighting through covid and bronchitis. Finally the middle bunch of rigging is almost done. My next model I'm investing in some good rope and also I am going to dye it and use a glue/water solution for all ropes. The bee wax is working but I still have some issues with the way it looks. But here is some photos. 

also update on some fun mischief my wonderful birds have done. I need to do some fixes....smh I love my birds but they are destructive little devils some time....could be worse though lol

It's wonderful to have you back in the shop!! 

Got the other mast besides the bottom most sails and I am going to work on some running lines and things that would have gotten in the way in place. Also found an issue where I have lost two of the four metal pieces that are for the life boats so can I just submit something OcCre or how does getting those replaced work cause I'm confused. 

Getting some sails on and it's not too bad but for sure starting to see the crowding of the rigging lol. But I feel like I'm navigating it pretty well and keeping things organized. 

Got some more lines done and got them laying the way I want them too. I look back and not many people are doing this for this model so I couldn't really get an idea what to go off so I used creative license and I think it looks alright. 

So I decided middle but thinner would be the way I went and this is my first set of them glued and in place. 

So I did a couple of different ones. I need your opinions as to scale 

Ok so I think either I am saying the wrong things or being misunderstood either way I understand. The sails will be totally open so therefore not too much rope hanging but regardless I have made a first attempt at a coil but I am going to try a couple different ways to see if I can make the scale better and also make the rope more defined. But I think for the first go it looks pretty nice. 

2 hours ago, Gregory said:

Kieth may have more to say, but it depends on the rope in question.

 

Lines like lifts, used to hoist the yards would have more slack when the yards were hoisted.

Braces would have more or less slack deepening on the tack at the time & etc..

 

Rather than striving for modeling actual practice in this regard (who's checking ) just go for some nice looking coils that represents several feet of rope..

 

Here is one of my favorite examples..

 

 

From Glenn Barlow's Cheerful..  He provides some technique in his log.

 

 

Yep that's the plan though my rope is not great quality so as much as I want it to look that good it will probably look like a fuzzy circle more than a coil lol

3 hours ago, Keith S said:

Hi Rob, with respect to the belaying pins: You've decided to make the ship with her sails and yards hoisted, so it would seem logical that there will be lots of rope coiled about. Because of course the sailors will have pulled all those ropes to get the sails up. If the sails and yards were down, then there would be more rope up in the rigging and less on deck, if you see what I mean.

 

Looking at your model, I feel a bit annoyed when I compare your kit to the one Occre makes for the "Terror". The guys here who are building that kit, including me, have been examining plans and old drawings, trying to work out where all the winch-drums, deck pumps, deck houses, pin-rails, trysail masts, et cetera, were supposed to go, because the kit doesn't include any of these things. Every bit of extra detail we have included is the result of hours of poring over old Navy draughts and reading Lees' book about rigging, because the "Terror" kit comes with what amounts to a basic 18-century "pirate ship" caricature of a rig that is totally inappropriate to her era. Now I see the same company puts out this excellent kit of the "Beagle" with all these details, and a proper rig. Honestly the "Terror" kit was a rush job to capitalize on the enthusiasm from the AMC series, and is nowhere near as nice as your "Beagle" kit.  Especially annoying for me as a first-time model builder. 

 

Sorry for the rant. You're doing a great job on this kit. 

No worries I understand completely. As for the sails the plan is to have it at full sail so I think by your logic then their would not be a lot of rope correct? 

Sorry the terror was rushed because that is never good and when I'm further experienced in my ship building skills I will be more keen on those finer details. I am very appreciative of people like you who do their full research and deep dive into how the model is suppose to be. I look forward to learning from you more and the rest of the community! 

Waiting on some single blocks in the mail but here is some more work. All the belay pins are going to have the spun bunch's of extra rope so it will hide a lot of the glued rope on it. Or do you guys know if all the belay pins actually had extra rope on it? There isn't many pictures showing what is going on with the rigging. 

Did some work and going and finding these sails to be quite big compared to the videos I am seeing. I made everything 1 - 1 so kind curious why it's off. I compared the sails to the chart and they are the right size so idk maybe I messed up who knows. It is my first ship so it might be my fault possibly. Maybe if someone who did a beagle can confirm if the sails were larger than needed? 

Progress and starting to like rigging call me weird lol. Thank you for all the comments and tips as I have been going through this. 

On 11/17/2021 at 4:55 PM, MMcWilliams said:

I

am also building this, my second I build the J Class ends our first then wanted something more challenging.

Noticed a couple of mistakes (I think) for the main mast chain plates the instructions show it the wrong way round so the gun port is obscured. Because I had already done it I moved one of the lines and moved the link I clears the port now. 
Doing the rigging and found another issue the bowsprit is extremely delicate and I snapped it off whilst turning the boat around,  going to leave the repair until I have finished the main mast rigging to avoid doing it again. 
I have the same question about the spreaders though and will j be adding a line from the end of the outriggers down to below the figurehead and a block up to the foredeck to hold them down.

I started to wipe the thin raw lines with beeswax to get rid of the ‘furry’ look it also helps with keeping the knots in lace without having to use CA

Thinking about what to do next though

You got a beautiful build there my friend. I am going to try and use a diluted modge podge and see how that works. I haven't had my bowsprit snap on my because I didn't do too much tension so that's good lol

2 hours ago, Techtonic said:

Are you using the thread from the kit? I had slight fraying with my Beagle but nothing like as much as what it looks like you are getting.

 

Also, a tip on the belaying, the rope should go round underneath the pin. That way it is impossible for the pin to be pulled out by tension on the rope. There's a good description half way down this page: http://www.sdshipmodelersguild.org/public/scuttlebutt/frmRigging.htm

 

 

Yea I am using the kit thread. I am going to try a diluted moge podge solution that is for fabrics to see how the lines come out. 

Top side is the bee wax and the bottom is without. Putting it side by side the bee wax looks better. I'm open for suggestions to any improvement for this. I won't be mounting them until I get to the sails so I have time but justing trying to see what I want to do. this picture is the bee wax one. 

Alright so all the running lines are coming together and it's starting to get tight lol. For sure found that I made the right choice with multiple long length and different sized tweezers and surgical tools. Also I redid a bunch of the blocks because the foremast I used thin CA and that made almost the whole length of the string solid but then I decided to try medium and it doesn't have that effect at all and it is much easier to work with. 

I am also going to do loops of hanging rope on the belay hooks I just need to play around and see how a couple different kinds look to see what I want to keep 

It's not great because I didn't make my own rope and it's the .15 string so I will for sure want to use better rope for my next model but I wanted try. Any suggests for getting the fraying away? I have been wax but I don't see much difference from using it and not using it

Alright so all the running lines are coming together and it's starting to get tight lol. For sure found that I made the right choice with multiple long length and different sized tweezers and surgical tools. Also I redid a bunch of the blocks because the foremast I used thin CA and that made almost the whole length of the string solid but then I decided to try medium and it doesn't have that effect at all and it is much easier to work with. 

I am also going to do loops of hanging rope on the belay hooks I just need to play around and see how a couple different kinds look to see what I want to keep 

Yea I have a bookshelf with a piece plexiglass over it as a temporary spot I am going to put it until I get a more fitting display for it. @Kevin but while I'm working on it I keep it in my work office which my feathered friends "should" not be in lol. 

Well besides the repairs I need to do to some of the .... Wow I can't even remember what they are called....lol .... The cross sections of the masts(someone will correct me) I have finished the 1000 knot challenge for the first time!!! Boy I think I can do a clove hitch in my sleep now lol

So the destroyers of ships have been at it again and I got a picture of their attempt.. I am still fixing their last break in to where I have been hiding my ship where they made it fall to the ground and almost break the main mast. Now I walk away for 5 minutes to help my wife and this guy is at it again. 

It's like they don't want me to finish or something 😤😡🤬

Sorry I have been so quiet but I have been tieing knots.....lots and lots of little knots lol but now that I got the mizzen mast done I can show off some progress 

Welp I'm from south eastern so welcome to the club and GO EAGLES!!!🏈