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Hi, for what it's worth.....As is, I feel the boats under their davit falls should be further out, so the falls are directly overhead of each boat. That would make room for the Yawl between them. That would tidy things up. It would add interest to store other stuff on the forward deckhouse.....like some spare spars. I do believe the outside of the boats were originally painted black. Seasons greetings, Vlad.

Then there's these. 'LS MODELS' 'MASTER KIROBEL' All three do a good range of small boats.

These folk seem to be down your way. 'FALCONET MODELS'

Indeed this is interesting. The basic structure is very similar to how the Yorkshire Coble is put together. I'll find some time to study this properly.

Bruma, what a convincing way to make and finish the boat tarpaulins. Congratulations. Did you airbrush them in situ?

Welcome from Yorkshire, Vladislav. Your cutter looks like an interesting and unusual subject. I'm fond of the small boats, from any era,

As I said........ 'using a paragraph quote or image to illustrate a point is not illegal. Reproducing a complete book is.' So, I think that fits comfortably with your above comment, Mark. I just felt I had to wade in, as several posts have recently given 'knee jerk' reactions to poorly perceived copyright issues. Just because a book (for example) is protected by copyright legislation, doesn't mean limited material can't be used to elaborate a point. Of course, it is common courtesy to give proper reference to the source. Thank you for your forbearance.

I know things are different in different places......sections of books, periodicals, music or films can be used for educational, study and 'free use' (whatever the phrase is.) While I accept, respect and support copyright rules for what they are intended; ie preventing commercial exploitation of others property and intellectual rights; using a paragraph quote or image to illustrate a point is not illegal. Reproducing a complete book is. My bunker lid is down.

'(This is covered elsewhere on this forum.)' Sorry druxey, I find that such a trite statement. OK. Take the subject and put it in the search box.........often you finish up trawling through umpteen posts and if you're lucky, you might get what you're after. Unless you can enlighten me with a better way? Right, I'm back on the naughty step.

Late to this one. The first collection has a photograph of the junction, Hackney Road and Cambridge Heath Road. I lived just a stone's throw from there for 10 years, yet I found it unrecognisable. So much of that area was flattened during the WW2 blitz.

Often ships boats are covered in paint, so I don't see why vac-forming them won't do nicely. There are cunning ways to paint such things to look like convincing wood.

Just a thought.......if you're worried about pencil graphite smudging. Alight pass with a soft eraser may help. One of the first items we were asked to provide in our first tech drawing class was fresh home made white bread, kneaded into a ball. Turned out to be the best eraser of all.

An erudite and practical view of this topic, Bob. Watch YouTube vids of boatbuilders at work. Craftsmen share a lifetime's experience, confirming your comments.

The curve of the deck looks acceptable and appropriate.

Hi Ron. I'm on board after realising 'a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do'. Not sure if you want to make new decks and fix what details there are to that. Or, do you wish to keep the decks but replace those hatches. Apart from a few location holes there isn't much else. There are those who would encourage you to make wooden decks, and that may be a good idea with this job. The original decks would be fine to fix planking to. That's beyond my territory. Whatever you do, make some sort of paper copy to record details you will need later. As they are, the decks would benefit from some longitudinal bracing to help fix the warp. If you go about it right, when the deck is glued into the hull, and some pressure is applied until it's dry, it will take the correct level. You mentioned you weren't happy with the hatch covers, instead of gratings. You can follow the moulding lines with a sharp craft knife/drill and file. That way you'd keep the coamings. Then fit gratings....you can buy those. Those decks are as simple as you're ever going to get and would be easy to replace, including the hatches/coamings. Just trace the outlines of what you have. If you want to make new decks, but use the hatches, then cut around them, leaving a couple of mm border. Run a sharpy along where the shapes meet, then carefully sand on a sheet of glass until you get to the lines you marked. But again, those hatches would be easy to make. Don't forget to add internal detail to the inside of the hull, timbers and such. At that scale, just painting the back of the gun ports won't cut the mustard. But if you open them up. another deck is required. Not impossible, but another can of worms. You need to think through thoroughly 5 steps ahead, as each modification will impinge on something else. Enough for now.

Hoping all goes well with your build, Ron. Another ha'porth....I think the lozeng coloured decoration so often perpatrated could be entirely spurious. Plenty of room for sober reflection on that.

The 'Bambi' is a female red deer, an heraldic emblem used by Drakes sponsor. The ship was launched as 'Pelican', but a year later was re-named 'Golden Hind', to honour the sponsor. There must be accounts of the ship at Deptford; but does that record survive....a lot of people must have visited. It must be remembered, the Thames would have been full of similar ships, so the only distinctive feature would be the ships deterioration. Any structural and decorative details for this ship simply don't exist, so conjecture is the only option. 'the general shape of the model is pretty good' ......a statement based upon what? The only source for ships of this period are idealised illustrations. To glean accurate details is a hopeless task. Several modern museum models exist. I would suggest one of these will give you what you're looking for. I do know the museums do admit their models are their best guess. Who knows, Airfix could have got it exactly right, so a super detailed version of what's in the box would be as accurate as you're likely to get. I must admit, the mouldings shown above look 'convincing', clean and not plastered with unwanted embellishment. BIG TIP....make your own decks.

Aye lad. It's the lifelong curse of being a Yorkshireman. Can't help it. Well....I can, but to me some things are simply beyond the pale. What matters the most here on this forum is we should all enjoy what we do. I've had my rant, so now I can comfortably sit back and let you prove me wrong.

Ok Ron, I'm going to upset everyone and spit my dummy out. When you've got to the level of your Victory, don't waste your new found skills on this travesty of a kit, which always looks best with the lid kept firmly on the box. This applies to any ship kit from this period, except the Vasa, which has the improbable advantage of being here for all to see for what it is. There you go.....I'm a bad 'un, trying to save you from yourself. Because I care.

Good luck with that one, RON. I'm sure you'll build this one to even higher standards than your excellent 'Victory'. No doubt you'll enjoy hunting references.

Looks like a ship! Just love the stretched sprue guns. Lateral thinking....like it.

Jonathan, I'm following your splendid project. I'm looking forward to it's completion, hopefully you will do something about the dogs dinner surroundings when you present your final photo's.

I've never found a contour gauge that was fine enough. Somewhere there is a post discussing this. It is feasible to make your own. A length of softened copper wire does a fair job.

Me again! Keeping up the good work, I see. Don't know if you intend keeping the boats in that position.....they would always be keel down on a ship like the Victory.

What a lovely job, Backer, quite an accomplishment. Good luck to you all and hope you're back to normal soon.