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  1. shipman
    The plastic milk bottles made of Poly propylene (that's what the CA bottles are made of).
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    Bob, when the BBC turned up back then, God forbid you weren't dressed properly. Before the 60's some things were not done. God made the British. Then he made the rest.
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    Cirdan, hi. The 'Denny' model could be wrongly attributed, but the museum claims it is? The Rennie drawing is fascinating, thanks for bringing it to our attention. Somewhere I'm sure I read that the fore deck house was not there originally? This photo shows a square forefoot?
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    Campbell = 1950's. Underhill = early 1930's. Having seen the thoroughness which Underhill researched his other subjects, personally (for what it's worth) I'd go for his interpretation. In the end, I don't think either got it completely right. Too much is lost and forgotten and any claims to definitive historical accuracy are ultimately based on conjecture. Until the original plans turn up (not entirely impossible) nothing is written in stone and I for one am getting rather weary of this aspect, which I feel is getting close to the autistic spectrum. Build your models and enjoy doing it.
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    When were the Campbell plans first drawn up? Though these are, or appear to be comprehensive, they aren't the only plans available (ie Underhill). Decorative elements at stern and bow have been changed, damaged or lost at different times. Lubock mentions the lurid dancing naked witches; removed early on for Victorian 'decency' reasons.
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    Just came across these images of the Denny model, Scottish Maritime Museum....
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    As promised....... 1:96 single and 2 ball stanchions + railing wire + the 42 links per inch chain.
  9. shipman
    '.....and the tin foil worked a treat'. ???
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    Marco, hi. I did buy the bow and stern etch from HisModels; they make a much better job compared to the iffy kit decals. What did you use to attach them? I bought my stock of very small chain, stanchions and brass wire for railings from a very helpful chap in the Isle of Man who has since sadly passed away. All that stuff is hidden away now; however, I'll go hunting for it tomorrow and photograph it and post it for you ASAP. I do recall I was impressed with these items, being fine and delicate; eminently suitable for the CS. From what I can see on HisModel's site, they are identical. I was very tempted to buy brass belay pins but when I realised they would disappear under rope coils, so couldn't justify the cost. Someone Stateside sells bumper packs of these at reasonable cost, but the P&P killed that for me. I see Willis specified steel pins so presumably they were painted black. The rails and stanchions are another one of those items that bug me a little. Published descriptions often remark how the Clippers were treated like yachts by their owners (at least when new). For instance, the upper hull planking was planed, painted and polished, so the separate planks couldn't be discerned. Well, if they went to all that trouble, then why not polished brass rails? Photo's of CS, taken in Australia when she was by then plying the wool and general cargo trade clearly show them painted white. But what about before?
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    Mmmm. That white/grey/lilac colour certainly doesn't reflect the 'A bright, white pigment' dicription I introduced earlier. Zinc white is relatively translucent, so the practice of using it as a top coat over a 'conventional' oil based white paint is sound practice. One of its earliest recognised properties was as an anti-fouling medium (ie it would stay whiter longer).
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    These are the heavy duty Swann-Morton knives. Just as sharp as a scalpel but much sturdier. https://www.scalpelsandblades.co.uk/range_23_swann-morton-supatool-blades-and-handles.php
  13. shipman
    Bruce, now we are getting the dubious benefits that Brexit rewards us with. I gather any and all imports are being slammed with arbitrary customs and handling charges.
  14. shipman
    Out of curiosity.......was there a standard width of thwarts?
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    see point 62: "Masts and Spars white last coat zinc". 'Zinc white. A bright, white pigment composed of Zinc oxide. Zinc white is permanent, opaque, and nontoxic. It was known as a white compound since the Middle Ages but was rarely used as a pigment until 1834' That goes with the Willis philosophy of specifying nothing but the best. Zinc white would have been 'state of the art' for him.
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    I reckon a lot of this hobby is a form of therapy. Sharing our thoughts and accomplishments is group therapy. It's ok to be kind to ones self and to others. Mostly 🤪
  17. shipman
    Cirdan, taking the Willis spec literally would imply everything (masts and spars) was intended to be white. Well spotted. However, there are several elements in the spec which give the builders some leeway as to what was possible and or available. I can't imagine there was a shortage of white paint? Marco, I must compliment your recent photography of your excellent progress, which to me is a revelation. One observation.....your build is becoming so refined, it highlights your choice to proceed with the kits rail stanchions and string. I understand your motives, but imagine the difference wire and brass stanchions would have made. Re the chain....I was refering to the 1:700 anchor chain highlighted in my post #79. Looking at the chain around the bows......it looks the business !
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    Just took delivery of Vol 2 of the Longridge tome and am happy to say it also includes the separate plates from VOL 1 😀 Hunting for Vol 2 I got the distinct impression it is relatively scarce. First edition was 1933 and a 'limited re-issue' in 1949. (I have both) The 'combined' volume was issued in 1975. The above plates are bound into the book at much reduced size. The 'Underhill' library is curated by Dave Stevens. I contacted him to see if Underhill's research survives. The library has nothing relating to the Cutty Sark; Dave assumes the drawings were a private commission and all material went to the customer (whoever that was). For many years I think David MacGregor supplied the plans. They are now sold by:- https://www.modelerscentral.com/plans/underhill-ship-plans/ship-model-plans-cutty-sark-uh/ I wonder if they inherited the Underhill research material? One of the details I gleaned from the Willis specs was the 'monkey poop' was originally called the 'Liverpool Deck'. When did the monkey arrive? Marco, if you go to the extravagance of that tiny chain I highlighted, please let us know what the link count is.
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    Worth a read if you haven't seen it before? https://www.johnsankey.ca/willis.html
  20. shipman
    Splendid job, well done.
  21. shipman
    I'm not entirely comfortable with the received wisdom that Campbell and his drawings and his sources are the last word. SHOCK. HORROR!
  22. shipman
    Apologies, Cirdan. Your post #33 points this out already. A shame there are not more photo's of the Denny model, though what there are show the 'black' boats originally specified. The Denny shipyard completed building of Cutty Sark, so one would suppose they knew what was what? Apologies also for appearing to muscle in on Bruma's log.
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    A correction. After a little digging, the Longridge and Hume models are of similar dates. The MAAS Museum states the Hume model was finished in 1932 and purchased by them in 1933. There are several good photo's of the Hume 'Thermopylae', but only one or two of the Cutty Sark. Perhaps there was some antagonism between the model makers?
  24. shipman
    As Bounty was a naval vessel, I would suggest the decks were scrubbed on a regular basis.
  25. shipman
    Hi Cirdan. Yes, that's the illustration I mentioned. I'm convinced it is of the Cutty Sark (it's dated 1970). Don't think there's a connection to the Longridge model, as that was based on a solid hull. Yet certain internal details are depicted. Indeed, a curious omission in the short bibliography is any mention of the Longridge book (the C/S 'bible' of the time). In vol.1, it is mentioned that the first appearance at the Science Museum of the Longridge model was 1933 (many years before his model of 'Victory'). Plate 2, vol1, is a general arrangement elevation, drawn by Underhill. This does include the big deck winch, where it is today. The forecastle comes further back, to the heads, with the straight beam, central ladder and 3 pin rail either on side. The windlass (fig.70) is indeed there, under the forecastle. I maintain my opinion, this was the primary anchor windlass; the cable locker being directly below. In addition, vol.2 has several clear photo's of these areas (figs.6,37,46,67) taken at Falmouth. The large deck winch isn't there (fig.37). Figs 46 and 67 couldn't be any clearer of the forecastle/ladder arrangement at that time. The rails at the rear of the forecastle are solid wooden items similar to the one at the break of the poop-deck. Fig.6 also shows two boats on separate skid beams either side and above the fore-deck house. Another seldom mentioned issue with the Revel kit is the wheel is too close to the rear of the 'monkey poop'; perhaps an unfortunate term. It's sad no good photo's of Longridge and Hume's models are on the 'net. Surely these are seminal works, yet a generation apart. Longridge took his notes when the ship was still afloat at Falmouth. Hume did his research at Greenwich (after the 'first' renovation).

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