Wawona59

Hello DanB,  it looks like you've made a really good start on your Sultana.  While the hull is still being shaped, I would establish an accurate centerline.  It seemed to me that everything on the model going forward, deck, deck fixtures, keel and masts all reference off of this centerline.  I made the mistake of not making an accurate centerline on my Phantom.  The hull ended up not symmetrical and took on a banana shape to my eye.  Have you checked out any Sultana build logs on MSW?  Keep moving forward with little steps.

Wawona59 

Rob,

Your Glory of the Seas is absolutely stunning!  The HO figures really add life you your model. I never tire of looking at your model photos.  Did you ever consider compiling all of the build photos and narrative into a modelling book documenting your journey building the Glory of the Seas?  I'd buy one and I think many other modelers would as well.

Absolutely Outstanding!!!

John

aka  Wawona59

Hi gak1965,

Yes, I agree the files can be very aggressive which I found out on the forward bulkheads I replaced.  I really got carried away with the fairing and shaping and now I think they resemble "rabbit ears".  I will replace these and use a less aggressive method, such as sandpaper as you suggested.

As I mentioned to Rick310, fixing errors to try to make things better is part of this wonderful hobby/pastime.  I've really enjoyed following your build by the way.

John

aka

Wawona59

Hi Rick310,

I think fixing errors to make something better is part of this wonderful hobby/pastime.  I know my Fish will not be museum work of art either.  I'm just trying to do the best that I can and learn from my mistakes.  I really like the Model Shipways POB Flying Fish kit.  The plans and instruction book are very well done in my opinion.  The Britania fittings leave much to be desired though.

My wife has not given me too much pushback yet on my Flying Fish project since I'm in the process of selling off many of my plastic and balsa airplane kits. Take Care and keep on prodding forward on your Flying Fish project.  I'll be following your build log.

John

aka

Wawona59 

Welcome to MSW William.  I built the 1/96 Cutty Sark when I was a kid in the early 70's.  The CS can result in a very attractive model if you take your time.  Getting additional references is a good move.  The Longridge books are a good start.  I would not feel like you have to purchase every CS reference book available though.

In my opinion, I think you would be happier with your build if you replaced the deck with a wooden one.  Scaledecks.com is one manufacturer that comes to mind.

I would definitely replace the molded ratlines, lanyards and deadeyes with aftermarket items.  I would also consider replacing the plastic blocks with wooden ones.  There are a few sources of wooden blocks; Syren, Model Expo and Bluejacket are good sources.

I seem to be a fumble fingers/gorilla when it comes to the plastic eyelets and belaying pins.  I frequently break them.  I would replace them.  Consider trying to make the eyelets from wire instead of buying photoetch.

There are many modelers on MSW who have built the Revell 1/96 Cutty Sark.  They can provide you with a wealth of knowledge and shared experience for your project.

I wish you the best in your Cutty Sark project and will be following you log.  I'm currently working on a Model Shipways Flying Fish that I started over 20 years ago.  I'm fixing errors and re-doing parts that I'm not pleased with.

Wawona59

Thank you for sharing these reference photographs.  It looks like there have been some replacement planks on the deck.  That would be a detail that could add interest to a ship model.

Wawona59

WOW!  What an interesting and personal project.  This brings back a lot of memories for me as well.  I built this kit when I was a kid in the early 70's.  

Here are a few of my suggestions:

1.  Since you've done an initial cleaning of the ship I would use cotton buds soaked in a mild dish detergent to clean up the nooks and crannies of the model hull and deck.

2.  I would not repaint the hull or deck but rather leave it the way your mother left it; blemishes and all.

3.  Consider replacing the masts with stronger wooden ones.  You should at least replace the topsail, topgallant and jib booms. My experience is that these masts tend to bend like a fishing pole with a fish on the hook when rigging the backstays.

4.  If at all possible, keep as much your mom's work intact such as the painted hull and rigging like the ratlines.

Enjoy the journey.  this looks like a rewarding project.

Wawona59 

Build Log entry No. 3
Well, I'm continuing to work on fixing my previous errors.  This week, since none of the bulkheads lined up properly I added a wooden strips to the top of each bulkhead.   I will then transfer the sheer from the plans to a sanding stick.  I'll use this sanding stick to correct the bulkheads for proper sheer and deck curvature.
The challenge this week was to make new forward bulkheads as i was not happy with my previous lame attempt.  Fortunately, I kept the basswood sheet where the bulkheads were removed from.  I used the sheet to as a pattern to make new bulkheads.  
After I attached the replacement bulkheads I started the fairing process.  As you can see from one of the attached photographs, I managed to incorporate some of my DNA into this model.  I'm fairing the bulkheads using files and chisels only.  I've got a way to go but I think these replacement bulkheads are much better than the ones that I started with.
After I get the bulkheads faired I'll be adding the keel, stem piece and cutwater following the drawings posted by Clipperfan.  After that about a month of planking will commence. 

Thank you to those who are following this build/restoration.  See you next time.

John
 

Thanks Clipperfan,   

Thank you for your input.  If I understand your drawing correctly, the curved cutwater piece begins about the waterline and moves upward in a sweeping curve.  At the top, behind the figurehead I assume that the curved cutwater piece is then sandwiched between the two naval hoods.  I think I remember reading something to this effect in one of your posts.  I must admit, this addition really enhances the profile of the bow into a more graceful shape..

John

Thank you Rob,

The nautical terms Naval Hood, Cutwater and Trailboard are new to me.  I've learned quite a bit about these features this week.  It's clear to me now that I will have to either modify or replace the kit's stem piece.

Now, back to fixing my previous 20 year old mistakes.

thank you

John

Clipperfan,

Thank you so much for your explanation.  Now, I'm starting to understand and will definitely incorporate this detail in the bow of the Flying Fish I'm working on.   These have been filed away for future reference.  Thank you again for your explanation.

Wawona59 (John)

Thank you for the clarification George.  When I get to that point, I will follow the drawings that Clipperfan posted as well as your Flying Fish build.  Thank  you

Wawona59 (John)

Hi Rob,

There's a lot of fixing I need to do to make the hull and deck bulkheads true.  I really did a crappy job way back when 20+ years ago.  LOL  

Once I get the hull and deck bulkheads true to my satisfaction, I'll start the hull planking.

BTW, what is the difference between a naval board and a trail board?  The Boston Atlas article by Duncan McLean says that the flying fish did not have any trail boards.  What is the difference??  Another topic or a future discussion I think.

If anyone else has any insight to the difference, please let me know.  ClipperFan, I hope you can enlighten me. 

Thank you for your post.  Greatly appreciated.

Wawona59 (John)

Build Log No. 2
The first task was to remove the battens and the unwanted/incorrect planking.  Close examination revealed that things really went south when I started adding stealers.  I have no idea of what I was thinking at the time.  I also used bamboo dowels made with my drawplate.  A sharp chisel was used to cut through the dowels.
The garboard strakes seemed okay, so I left them alone plus three strakes from the keel.  Using a metal straight edge, I determined that the keel was straight and true although I haven't trued up the remaining planks to make them symmetrical port and stbd.
Next, I checked the surface of the deck level bulkheads for proper sheer and camber.  Many of the bulkheads were not true with multiple gaps which need to be addressed and fixed.  I'm starting to view restoring this hull as working on a piece of miniature furniture rather than a ship model.
I hope some of you will stay tuned.  My next log will go over truing up the deck bulkheads, fitting the stem, and stern pieces and fixing the bulkheads 1 and 2 forward that I had to replace.
 

sticker,

I'm glad you found Tom Lauria's videos.  My favorite videos of his are is 1. 1/48 model of the Kate Cory, 2.  Creating an Artistic Impression, 3.  Blocks Not from Scratch and his latest series, 4.  Repairing the Emma C. Berry.  Tom actually teaches.  His videos along with Chuck Passaro's planking videos are some of the best and most useful I've ever seen.

Happy Modeling,

Wawona59

Thank you so much George for this wonderful build log (practicum).  Also a thank you to all of the contributors to this build log including Rob, Clipperfan, Rick310, et al.  The tips and photographs you've shared have been filed away and will be invaluable to me as my Fish project progresses.

I've just started my build log for the Fish.  My first step has been to dust off 20+ years of cobwebs and remove much of my substandard work.  You've all given me something to shoot for.  I expect to post another build log shortly.

Thanks again

Wawona59 (John)

Thanks George,

I've been following your Fish build with great interest.  In fact, I've got your build long on my computer screen right now while I'm working on my fish.  I'm currently working on removing the messed up parts so I can start building her up again.

Wawona59 (John)

Current Build:  Flying Fish, Model Shipways, 1:96

Log entry No. 1
Well, I'm going to take the plunge and start a build log.  I could probably name this build log after one of my favorite Dr. Suess books I had as a child;  One fish, Two fish, Red fish, Blue fish.  There are several Flying Fish builds on MSW, so why not one more.
I started this Model Shipways build in 1998 when my kids were small and had grand ideas of building the Fish as a grand piece for my office.  Despite working as carefully as I could, I got frustrated with all of the mistakes I was making and put it aside in 2000.  This was not the first ship model I've built.  I just made a lot of careless mistakes rushing the build.
Reading through the Fixing Mistakes thread on MSW gave me the motivation to take on the Fish again.  The first order of business will be to fix all of the mistakes I've made.  Here's some of the mistakes I will need to fix:
1.  Did not fair bulkheads 5 and 6 enough resulting in a kink in the planking rather than a smooth run.  I will need to remove the planking I've done and fair the bulkheads properly.
2.  Sanded the planks as I went before I attached the stem.  This resulted in a misshapen bow and too thin planks.  Need to repair and bow and properly fit the stem.
3.  Broke bulkheads 1 through 3 in the forecastle.  Need to properly trim the replacement bulkheads I made from scrap basswood.
4.  Did not properly taper the planks and installed stealers when I didn't need to.  I will be removing the incorrect planks and re-installing them.
5.  Need to replace the stern part of the planksheer that I ineptly carved.
6.  Cut the stern part of the keel off too short so that it doesn't extend below where the rudder will be installed.
I work exclusively with hand tools.  I do not use so much as a dremel or air brush. One of the reasons is that I like to work at night when it is quiet.  I don't want to disturb the admiral with the noise of machinery.  The second reason is that I love working with hand tools.

Surprisingly, despite sitting in an unheated garage for 20+ years, the hull is still true with no twist.

I'll be working slowly and methodically and will post progress periodically.

Please wish me luck.
Wawona59 (John)
 

Welcome to Model Ship World RH.  In response to your question:

 I have many, many questions but one of the most fundamental ones is, did only the running rigging go to belaying pins with the standing rigging going to the chain plates and Samson posts? Any advice would be most welcome.

In my limited experience, I've only seen running rigging go to the belaying pins.  On this and many other questions; research is your friend.  Welcome aboard!

Wawona59

I would definitely read jaeger's and ccoles posts again as well has his article.  Build a smaller POB model first; preferably one that is not bluff bowed and has a simpler stern.  Frank Mastini's Ship Modeling Simplified can give you some ideas on setting up shop and basic POB modeling methods.

If you heart is set on building a 50" Victory start compiling your research now.  I recommend:  Nepean Longridge's:  anatomy of Nelson's Ships which is a classic, John McKay's The 100 gun ship Victory from the Anatomy of the Ship Series. This will give you a good start in your research.  Have fun!

Wawona59

I Mark, welcome to Model Ship World. I'm relatively new to MSW but I visit the site almost every day for ideas and inspiration.  Everyone is GREAT, friendly and helpful. Here is a photo of the Victory Sail from Trafalgar.  I assume most of the damages was done by bar shot, chain shot and star shot.

I hope this gives you some inspiration for your build.

Wawona59

Welcome to the  MSW forum Tanner.  Popsicle sticks can be a good material for modeling.  (Especially the ones from Hagen-Daz chocolate fudge ice cream bars LOL)

Are you working from plans or is the shrimp boat of your own design?  There are many sources of plans available.  You can also search the MSW site for shrimp boats. I'm sure that there are a number of models on the site that will inspire you.

Welcome to the forum

Wawona59 (John)

Hello Kristan,

Welcome to the MSW forum.  I commend you for wanting to build a ship model.  I built my first watercraft model when I was about 10 years old.  As I recall, it was a canoe where you folded up the sides and sewed the bow and stern together.  I also built several plastic ship models like the Wanderer whaling ship and the 1:96 scale Constitution, Cutty Sark and Thermopylae. 

I recommend that you start small and build a kit from a reputable manufacturer.  You cannot go wrong with Bluejacket Shipcrafters or Model Shipways.  Both companies are based in the USA and have been producing ship model kits for decades.

A good first project would be a Grand Banks Dory.  This is a fishing craft that was featured in the Book Captains Courageous by Rudyard Kipling as well as the 1937 movie of the same name. Both Bluejacket and Model Shipways produce a Grand Banks Dory kit.  

You can download the instruction booklet for Model Shipways kit from their website.  This will give you an idea of what is involved in building a wooden watercraft model.  You will also learn some nautical terminology such as abaft, thwarts, gunnels, port, starboard, etc. 

Good luck with your first project.  Save the 104 gun ship of the line model for later.

Welcome to the MSW group.  I'm sure you will enjoy yourself.

Wawona59 (John)

Hello everyone who is following this outstanding build of the Glory of the Seas.  I used to live in West Seattle and am very familiar with the Fauntleroy-Brace Point area where the remains of Glory of the Seas are.

Here's a local blog I came across which I thought you might be interested in.

Here's the link:

https://batgurrl.net/2021/07/03/demise-of-a-clipper-ship-on-endolyne-beach/

I'm really enjoying following this build.

Wawona59

Welcome to MSW Andrew.  You are in good company if you love ships.  This is THE place.   I am relatively new to MSW and I have found everyone welcoming and friendly.  I'm currently working on the USS Olympia named after the state capital where I live, Washington.  As soon as I get a decent camera I'll be posting pictures and starting a build long on my Olympia project.  Welcome Aboard!!  John Newcome