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Wish I could take credit for developing this method but I learned it by experimenting with the method Frolick details in his book The Art of Ship Modeling. This is discussed elsewhere here at MSW and some tips on avoiding problems of wandering cuts is covered. Go to https://modelshipworld.com/topic/28125-17th-century-british-galley-friggot-by-allanyed-164/page/2/#comment-826241 and see posts #52 and #53 about yawing issues. Allan -
Hi Phillip, The rings look super!!! Maybe I am missing something but what is your point of having been made in the United States? It looks like the methods you show will work for members in Australia, China, England or any country for that matter. Allan
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Strake Widths
allanyed replied to bwross11's topic in Building, Framing, Planking and plating a ships hull and deck
I did not know this and as the government is known for always being efficient, they must have done lengthy studies with shipwrights and forest services and calculated 50,000 acres is what was needed. to maintain one ship that mostly sits in port. If the government says 50,000 acres is needed it must be true correct. Now if we dig a little more, and maybe this has changed in the past few years, but the Navy maintains (pays for) the forest but it is privately owned by Brett Franklln of TriState Lumber LLC. I wonder how much he is paid for allowing use of 50,000 acres when maybe far less is actually needed. Sorry for being skeptical, but ........... Allan -
Strake Widths
allanyed replied to bwross11's topic in Building, Framing, Planking and plating a ships hull and deck
Hi Bruce I did a few minutes of research and found that there are a number of recommendations for 100 to 400 oak trees per acre. Typical largest rate ships required upwards of 2000 trees. So from 5 to 20 acres for the largest ships would be needed, not much of a forest. 😀 Allan -
For the future, it is easier to make these in part as they were made full size. Using a method the same or similar to that described by Bernard Frolich in The Art of Ship Modeling works very nicely if you have a saw like your Byrnes saw. This is described in earlier posts and the below may help. The openings varied but were usually more than 2" square and less than 3" square. The battens and ledges would be the same widths as the opening. Keep in mind that the battens run fore and aft and the ledges athwartships. The battens are thinner than the ledges. The coamings and head ledges are a different story. The head ledges often/usually had a camber as did the gratings themselves. The corners were usually rounded from the top to what would be the top level of the deck planks.
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While a lot of the drawing is similar to older carriages I would be dubious about using this for anything before about 1860 as the barrel looks like a parrott rifle. Still in all, this has been a very interesting discussion and thanks to everyone for their thoughts. Allan
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Thanks Pat. It SEEMS that the second eye and the furthest eye on the bulwark would be available for training the gun fore and aft in place of or in addition to the use of spikes, especially for the heavier guns as noted by Gary above. Allan
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I would be surprised if basic rigging of guns varied that much in a given era. As to going back to confirm, the George Orwell unit went forward and backward so may be a good choice as well as the Wavelength Acceleration Bidirectional Asynchronous Controller (Wabac machine.) Allan
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Decorative trim/rail
allanyed replied to DaveBaxt's topic in Building, Framing, Planking and plating a ships hull and deck
Phew!!!! Thank goodness
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Incredible! I knew you were not far from Carrara and Pietrasanta where Michelangelo got his marble but I did not realize such artistry was in the air there as you surely got those skills in your blood. Allan
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Great point Greg. But, if the figurehead is filled in between the legs a little, it will help it from looking like it is riding a horse.😀
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If speed is your requirement, ship modeling may not be the right hobby choice. 😀 As to more accuracy I do not agree. I just did some experimenting using a one inch long gage with clean rope and also measured rope with glue once my eyes stopped watering from the fumes. Clean rope designated .035" had 27 raps -0.037. Preglued rope measured 0.038" I also measured rope designated 0.08" and it had 13 wraps (0.077") for clean rope and a piece that had been soaked in glue which measured. 0.085" Allan
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Decorative trim/rail
allanyed replied to DaveBaxt's topic in Building, Framing, Planking and plating a ships hull and deck
Please don't ruin a chisel. There are several different rails on most ships, often 6 our more. A stiff back razor or a piece of an old hacksaw blade works beautifully. Chuck a thin abrasive wheel in your Dremmel and then grind grooves in the blade to whatever shape is appropriate for any given rail. When making the rail itself, multiple shallow drags/cuts along the length of the wood to be used is easy to do MOST of the time if you use an appropriate wood. Tight grained species rather than the open grained woods often seen on builds is the way to go. Open grained woods will make the adventure more difficult and often times does not look as good in the end. Allan -
All of what you wrote makes a lot of sense Eberhard, but including the information at least gives the builder a choice of adding some realism or not. Will they succeed? Who knows, but nothing ventured, nothing gained. 😀 If nothing else it can add some new knowledge even for those that feel such details are unachievable or not worth the effort. Allan
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Morgan, Are you referring to the ring identified below with a question mark? Looking at various drawings the training tackle(also called relieving tackle) ran from the breech end of the carriage inboard, not to the hull. It is my understanding that training (aiming) the guns was done be elevating or depressing using the wedge and using leveraging poles and such under the carriages to shift them sideways when needed. There is some question in my mind about the identification of the rings in the first drawing in post #43. The port tackle was used to raise and lower the gun port lids (line# 4) Then it shows rings in the hull (#7) called port tackle eyebolt which make no sense, at least to me. Lavery gives a verbal description for rigging the ports and the variations over the years on page 139 of The Arming and Fitting of English Ships of War and it does not jive at all with the above drawing. Line #4 in the above drawing should run to a block in the beam above, not down towards the deck. The drawings below are from Falconer's Universal Dictionary of the Marine, 1769 and are show on page 386 in Caruana's English Sea Ordnance. volume 2. It seems there are different terms for the same item being used by whoever did the first drawing shown in post #43, and others such as Falconer. I have no idea if one or the other or all of them were in common use back in the day. Allan
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While the train tackle is not shown in these photos it is Interesting that the last photos show only one ring for the train tackle while the first photos show three. Maybe there are too many inconsistencies on all these replicas to trust them without a good bit of research into contemporary based sources. Allan
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WELCOME DIEGO! Take the advice of the person from post #5. This a great way to learn good habits and appreciate well designed kits. Allan
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Thanks again Steve, much appreciated.👍 This last carriage shows 3 rings at the breech end of the carriage. One would be for the train tackle. What are the others for? I cannot find any contemporary information showing three rings at the breech end of on any carriage, again making use of these reproductions as answers to any kind of research of questionable value. Perhaps some member can post contemporary based information regarding the need for three breech end rings on the carriages. Allan
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Hi Steve, thanks for posting these pictures. There are doubts that these are faithfully reproduced. For example, the breech rope does not pass through the loose ring as is seen in various contemporary based sources for rigging guns. If it does not to pass through the ring, what is the ring for? Drawing is showing 1795 carriage pattern (From Congreve) Allan
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Eagle Emblem
allanyed replied to _SalD_'s topic in Discussion for a Ship's Deck Furniture, Guns, boats and other Fittings
Just PM'd you the entire page in DXF so you can edit as you wish. If the X and Y axes are not exactly right for you, you can compress and/or stretch as you wish or trace over the image and then compress and/or stretch the new drawing to what ever works for you. Allan -
Denis, You have made the point very well. Most modelers, including many MSW members, are not aware of these kinds of things and assume every kit is accurate and as most of us have learned over the years "assuming" anything in life is fraught with danger. There are many Establishments, contemporary plans, models, contracts, as well as books based on contemporary sources to learn about many of these kinds of details. With the information in hand the model builder can decide if she/he wants to go the extra steps or not. Allan
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Eagle Emblem
allanyed replied to _SalD_'s topic in Discussion for a Ship's Deck Furniture, Guns, boats and other Fittings
Regarding the head facing to the eagles right, found this bit of information as to why The Presidential seal is an example of heraldry, the ancient art of symbols of nobility. Everything on a Herald has a meaning, even the colors. In heraldry, “right” (as a direction) is more noble, or honorable, than “left,” which is less noble, dishonorable, or inferior. The Latin word for Left is “sinister,” which in English means devious or untrustworthy. Allan -
Hi James I would go further and bet that most builders are not aware of this design feature that existed on most ships, so whether they would care or not really cannot be determined with any degree of confidence unless polled. Maybe my poor wording in the first post so my apologies, but my question is why these basic design features are ignored, not how many people would or would not find it important. Hi Chris, Kudos for showing this on Indy!!! Great to see another little extra on what are already exceptional kits. Cheers, Allan
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Eagle Emblem
allanyed replied to _SalD_'s topic in Discussion for a Ship's Deck Furniture, Guns, boats and other Fittings
Any of these help? I can PM these to you in DXF if you have a CAD program. Allan Eagles.PDF
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Ron, Your model continues to go beautifully. The gun and carriage look good. Lots of little blocks and such! Will you be darkening the breech rope so it is more of a tan color and/or using miniature rope? It is probably just me but the white color of the breech rope seems to be a bit stark. Cheers Allan
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