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FP Warm welcome to MSW. It would be nice if you posted an intro on the new members page with a little about yourself and maybe what we should call you. I highly suspect Fanfare is not your given name😀 Good luck with your build. As this is a fictional ship, modifications are all up to you which is a good thing for practice. Do spend time looking at the posts in both the kit and scratch builds as well as the articles in the database here at MSW for more tips, especially on correct planking techniques which you will not get from the kit. Again, welcome aboard. Allan -
Great picture Eberhard. I suspect you are right about the superstition being an American thing. Thanks for posting this picture Jason. Allan
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Take a look at the below. It will give you a great amount of information as well.
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Schaye You may wind up having to make your own sails, but that would be a big plus not using pre-sewn cloth sails. Assuming this is their 1:75 scale kit, sewn sails are so far out of scale that they are not a good choice anyway. Even for larger scales to 1:48 or smaller, sewn sails cannot be made to scale. You can try using a super high TC cloth if you are set on cloth but not sewing anything as there is no way of making the stitching to scale. Better still, consider using silk span. There has been a lot of discussion here at MSW and on the internet on making realistic sails using silk span that you can find with a quick search. There is a wonderful booklet on making sails available from Seawatch books for $5. Techniques apply to any sail making. https://seawatchbooks.com/products/swan-iv-sail-making-supplement-from-the-revised-and-expanded-edition-by-david-antscherl?_pos=1&_psq=sail&_ss=e&_v=1.0 Allan
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Thanks again Glenn, As USS Constitution has been modeled by hundreds or likely thousands, the color is good to know. I still wonder if this is a one-off. As you mentioned most US ships had green bulwarks it would be really interesting to see others. It is in contrast to a superstition regarding paint colors on vessels. In addition to bananas on board being bad luck, another of many superstitions was sailors considered green on vessels unlucky. Who knows if anyone really followed these old superstitions, but I know of one fishing yacht captain that threw a bunch of bananas overboard when he found out someone brought them aboard for a snack. Allan
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Great information Glenn, thanks. I found with some digging that the Isaac Hull model of the USS Constitution from 1812 has dark green bulwarks but nothing more on others. Is your source for this based on contemporary information? Thanks again, much appreciated👍 Allan
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The following is more likely the reason. Deck furniture, bulwarks, etc, were red ochre. This was discussed in an earlier post here at MSW in 2021 and it was mentioned that this was for protection from the weather and ochre (earth) colors were inexpensive. In addition, after long sea voyages and during repairs it was also refreshed. The idea that it would hide blood was coincidental, not the reason it was most often red. There are a number of contemporary models where much of the inboard works were painted black. I have no idea if this was original or done at some later time. The Navy Board stated 18 July 1715 that painting (presumably outboard and inboard) was "not to refresh oftener than once a year or two and the inboard works that are from the weather." There is no mention of a particular color or hiding blood. The actual usefulness in protecting the wood from rot and the cost would probably be a bigger concern to the navy than the mental state of the sailors in the age of sail. If you are next to a man that has had some part of his body ripped off, I doubt hiding the blood on a bulwark would make it any easier to avoid fear, panic or the onset PTSD. Allan
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Go to the McMaster site or similar suppliers where you can find brass tubing. You can chuck a small piece in a drill and cut a grooves with a needle file, then cut off each piece with a fine tooth stiff back saw like those from Xacto and others. https://www.mcmaster.com/products/tubing/?s=brass-tubing%2Fbrass-tubing Click on the top left and a page will come up with various sizes. Those that come up on the right look like they may work for you. A bit of work, but not difficult. Allan
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Hi Mark, I am taking your advice and sending a note to Ancre asking if they can provide sources of contemporary based information. I do not want to have to buy sets of Boudriot books though to get this information. I was planning to do some research at the Museé National de la Marine in Paris last week, but found out some weeks back that it is closed for renovation until late this year so that opportunity was nixed. The plus side is that we still had a great visit in Paris and Normandy AND now I have an excuse to get back to France sooner than later. Allan
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Looking great overall! I do have a question though, hope you don't mind Why are many blocks upside down? Below is a sketch with the blocks as they are usually rigged so the line runs over the sheaves inside the blocks.. Allan
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Thanks again Several of us are working on a project that so far has about 130 different cannon from the mid 17th century through the early 19th century and appropriate carriage designs where we could find them. The idea of the project is to end up with 2D and 3D plans for the barrels so they can be turned, cast, or 3D printed in any scale. These are all based on contemporary sources. They are mostly British with some Spanish, but we have found contemporary information for only a few French pieces. Can you share your sources as we would like to continue our research in order to add more French to the mix to give members as many choices as possible for accurately produced pieces. Allan
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Thanks Mr. Frolick, this was a new piece of information for me and I appreciate it. Do you have any drawings and other information based on contemporary sources for French carriages as well as barrels that you can share? THANKS AGAIN!! Allan
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Take Gregory's advice, err on the size of too small versus too large. Sorry I did not post the link for which I have been animadverted but the NRG site was shut down for a while and I was worried posting the link might cause confusion.
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Keep in mind that the cannon and carriages changed over the years. Blomefields in 1800 looked nothing like Browne pattern guns in the 1600's and there were many in between just for the RN. Carriages had four rolling trucks at times and only two at other times to name just one of many changes with the carriages. If you pin down a year and nationality you will find it easier to move forward. There were differences for Spanish, French, and Dutch to name a few. You can have any barrel 3Dprinted in many sizes and scales size with 3D printers so your choices are not limited. Looking at Geronimo's model, the rigging is different than anything I had seen before with the breech rope piercing the sides of the carriage. Was this common to a specific nation/era/size? Allan
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WELCOME TO MSW Stephane! Without knowing which lines you are referring to there is no way to know if the rope sizes you give are correct or not. While San Francisco is a different nationality and supposedly a galleon from the 16th century there is likely very little, if any, contemporary information on rigging but lacking such contemporary information, there is a spread sheet here at MSW that will give you every line size as well as the masts and spars for English ships from about 1650. I suspect rigging line sizes will be similar for your Spanish ship if not exact. Hopefully some member has contemporary information on rigging for the 16th century. You will need some basic information on the length and breadth of the full size San Francisco or at least something close. Go to the articles data base here at MSW and hopefully the spread sheet in the rigging section from Danny Vadas will give you something close to the correct sizes. Keep in mind a lot of rigging was given in circumference, not diameter. I tried to post the link here, but having trouble getting on the NRG website where this is stored. Allan
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Well thought out comments throughout Chuck, thank you very much for posting this. Allan
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I second this recommendation! You will find a lot of great information on how things were actually done which, based on the photo in post #4, may differ from the conventions used in the kit at times. Your call on how you move forward, but at least you may have choices in some cases. There are some great photos and drawings of Ernestina that might help as well. These can be found with a quick search in the Library of Congress Website. https://www.loc.gov/resource/hhh.ma1719.sheet?st=gallery Allan
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This is great advice, even for books When I look at the value of some of my own books it is substantial so photos will be taken and saved as soon as we get home from vacation. Allan
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Hi Nick, It may help get you answers if you can say which vessel/nationality/year this is supposed to be. Allan
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If it doesn't exist, I'll just have to make it myself. Doesn't mean I'm not gonna complain about it. Daniel You said it, not me. Maybe time to have a go at a scratch build?? I would be happy to send you a full set of drawings for POF or POB for a fifty gun British ship of 1695. in whatever scale you want. I have an appropriate contemporary contract and full set of scantlings as well. PM me with your contact information if you are interested. Two of the 20+ pages are below, including some of the bulkheads for a POB build, to give you an idea of the plans. Allan
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Hi Gary, I feel awful about what has happened. I found the Portia Takakjian list that you posted back in the day but not your own. Was it up before the big crash 10 years ago? Allan
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Hi Philip Regarding English naval ships of war, my understanding is that the rigging often varied from ship to ship and one reason so little contemporary information on rigging belaying points is available. But when it comes to things such as carriages or, as you mention, anything the captain wanted to change, this is an interesting point. There has been mention many times of variations of the captains' personal spaces and even types of boats taken aboard. Reading about other things such as carriages and who paid for these changes, based on contemporary sources, would be interesting so I hope some more examples are brought up from the time period between 1650 and 1825 for English, French, and Spanish warships. Allan
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Archaeological Evidence for the Development of RN Gunnery
allanyed replied to Steve20's topic in Nautical/Naval History
Steve THANK YOU for posting this pdf. Obviously some days/weeks of studies to do it justice, but fun reading times coming up. Thanks again Allan -
The use of the train tackle is interesting even though the set up to the rings is not the same on the carriage itself. The principals make sense and taught me something so it has been a good day. Allan
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Thanks Keith, I agree, just could not remember the name when looking for these after Pat's post. In any case those came into use about 1855 and only in the US so not necessarily applicable to 18 to early 19th century European carriages. Allan .
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