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In addition to the carriages, the gun patterns do not look right. She would have carried Browne pattern barrels (circa 1625-1649) when launched. Compare the Browne pattern below, which has the badge/cypher for that time period, with the kit guns. Might be too late but I have STL drawings of the Browne Pattern in several sizes if you want them that can be sent to a 3D printer and be made in black or bronze colored resin at a really low cost. 2D drawing of one of the sizes is below as PNG and PDF Allan Culverin at 1 to 78 scale.PDF
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Hi Ron I found out from another member that had an issue finding proper pattern barrels for his particular build that at least one supplier sells Blomefield pattern barrels that have the crest/cypher as well as the pan at the touch hole and they are relatively inexpensive. If this is of interest, please let me know. Allan
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Maybe go to European boxwood, (buxus sempervirens)? Color is off, but I have found that is so tight grained that it is the strongest wood for small dimensioned stuff. Janka hardess of 2.840 lbf for boxwood versus 1660 for Swiss pear and 1880 for castello (calycophyllum multiforum) Allan
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Hard to hit a well thrown curve ball Pat. 😀 Post #2 above regarding the information from Peter Goodwin only applies to 1650 to 1850 (The Construction and Fitting of the English Man of War) so your post is great information. Thanks Allan
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Thank you Patrick. . I would like to read more. What is the publication you copied in your post? Thanks again!
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Hi Mike, Never say never, (nor always) as the saying goes.😀 With contemporary drawings, contracts, scantlings, and models readily available to all, there is every chance to scratch build a fully accurate ship model, but that does not say a kit cannot be produced that would yield the same accuracy. I think the issue for producing an accurate kit of SOS, or any other ship for that matter, is largely a cost versus benefit that comes into play and many items that may not be accurate are not known or noticed by the majority of the customers. Allan
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Pin pusher. Help please
allanyed replied to Steve G's topic in Modeling tools and Workshop Equipment
Welcome to MSW. Please consider posting a little intro on the new members forum. FWIW, why use pins at all? Planks that are preshaped/bent can be glued with any yellow aliphatic carpenter glue and held in place with fingers for a minute or even less and will stay in place. CA is not my personal choice, but others do well with it and it takes even less finger holding time. Allan -
I've run out of adjectives to describe your beautiful build Tiziano. I TRULY hope to be back in Toscana in the next two years and would LOVE to see your model. Allan
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In addition to the wales being black, would there be a black strake of thickstuff, that is, the one above the main wale and the one above the channel wale as there were on other British ships, per Goodwin's comment on page 54 of The Construction and Fitting of English Men of War? Example on a contemporary model is below. Thanks Allan
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Your build is exceptional Ron!! Do you, or does anyone following your log, know if any kit or after market supplier offers Blomefield barrels as they would be appropriate for 1805 long guns rather than what looks a little bit like the original Armstrong patterns. Just curious for future builds even though most viewers probably would not notice the differences between Armstrong, Armstrong-Frederick and Blomefield patterns. Thanks Allan
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Lovely build Mark! One thing that is a new for me, what was the purpose of the two cannon on the QD pointing at the FC? I am not questioning that they existed and they are shown on the modern day model at RMG, (link below) but what was their purpose? To blast grape shot at boarders? Thanks Allan https://www.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/rmgc-object-68966
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Alistair, Your work is excellent and the build a pleasure to follow! Just as an FYI, there are high res plans of pinnaces, including single banked 28 foot pinnaces from 1793 and 1798 in the Wiki Commons site which are posted below if you want to modify the inboard works to be more like a pinnace. FWIW there were probably only about 8 or 9 planks per side. Not sure if that makes it easier or more difficult. The drawing of the launch below with a cross section shows 9. Allan
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PMing you with drawings in 2D, 3D of barrels and 2D of both 1791 and 1795 carriage patterns, the latter of which had rubbing cleats on the carriages. Allan
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Hi Gregory, I agree with you that if anyone wrote the "only option" this would be incorrect. Thus the use of the word alternative. Alternative - (of one or more things) available as another possibility. 😀 Allan
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There are inexpensive alternatives such as basswood or even poplar.
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Looking good David! I know you are a ways off, but for the 18 pounder long guns that HMS Diana 1794 carried, did the kit supply Blomefield pattern barrels? There are 3D drawings with scale dimensions that you can use to have the barrels printed in 3D in black resin. These can be done at what should be a pretty cheap price at any of the 3D printer firms local to you if the cannon that you have are not appropriate. If you wish I can send you the 3D drawings. Allan
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Is this the wood for the planking for a kit model? Druxey gives excellent examples of wood that are better suited to ship models. Allan
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Entry Port Grates
allanyed replied to Dlowder's topic in Building, Framing, Planking and plating a ships hull and deck
Heck no David. This is an interesting little detail. I hope someone has a proper answer but based on the cross section it looks like a raised piece of grating so looks almost like a wooden welcome matt. 😀 This also brought up another question for me. On multi deck ships, were there the same number of scuppers on the lower decks as the weather decks? I did some digging and found specs as to the number of scuttles for the gun deck, middle deck and upper deck in the 1719-1750 Establishments which was 4, 6, and 6 for 90-100 gun ships. The Ship Builder's Repository 1788 and Steel's The Elements and Practice of Naval Architecture which were closer to the time of Victory are quite different. For the gundeck, only 2 per side (all of them in the manger), middle deck had six per side, and eight per side on the upper deck. Hope this is a little help. Allan -
Hi Evan, Your attention to detail is fantastic and those in the following logs may fit in with your attention to details that the kit may have missed. I think these would be in addition to those that Craig gave in post #3 above. https://modelshipworld.com/topic/33539-23-foot-launch-by-allanyed-bounty-late-18th-century/ https://modelshipworld.com/topic/33565-hms-bounty-launch-by-oakheart-finished-scale-124-–-18th-century-based-on-drawings-from-national-maritime-museum/ Allan
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I agree Michael, great results are often the exception rather than the rule. On the other hand this is not exactly a team sport so it is up to the individual builder as to what he/she finds to be acceptable. Allan
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I second the above posts and would go so far as to say put away the box for another few years or sell it and go with something that will teach versus frustrate you. Darius makes great points and I would add that the research into any ship can be as much fun (and frustrating at times) as the build itself. Good luck on your journey. Allan
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Lack of knowledge can be fixed with time for all of us so no worries and certainly no need for apologies. Learning the terminology is like learning any language, it just takes time. I cannot speak for others, but I still find new terms on a regular basis that make no sense to me at times, especially when reading scantlings in the Establishments or Steel's folios for example. Above all else, enjoy your build!!!
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Thanks for the photos Duke! The photo of the stern brings up an interesting point, at least to me. Did ships ever have vertical planking at the stern like on the model rather than horizontal planking? If they did, what did the stern timber framing look like that supported them? Vertical planking looks like it would be far easier to do than forming and installing the curved horizontal planks. Allan
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