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And Mustafa, I apologize for submitting my original question about the wale in your log. Sometimes I lose track of where I am at this website. (The old grey cells, they ain't what they used to be...) BTW, beautiful job on the painting there!

Your photo does suggest that there is some added thickness in the recent edition of the Constitution. I did not see that in the Aug 18, 1914 reference photo I supplied above. And compared to Bob Hunt's example, the wale in your latest photo is subtle indeed. Since we're confabbing on Mtbediz' dime, I'll add that Mustafa seems not to have added thickness there either. Because I've already shaved some of the existing planking between the gunports and where the wales are supposed to begin, the difference in thickness I'm looking at is even more severe than in the Hunt Practicum photo. I'm pretty good with a chisel, but if I add the wale, I think I'll be better off using stock that's a little thicker than the existing planking - not the 3/32 x 1/8" material Bob used in Chapter 6. That should make shaping the planks at the stern somewhat easier too. Thanks again Jon

Unrelated to the previous conversation: Just a word of thanks Rich. I was starting the planking of the wale yesterday and stopped to do some research. I posted a question in my own build log on the subject, but then did a search on "Constitution wale" and among the results was your build. I spent the morning poring over it, making notes, "borrowing" photos, and comparing to the Practicum. Your photos provided much more detail than those provided in the Hunt Practicum and have solidified in my mind the process going forward. I copied some portions of your planking discussion and printed it to have on hand at my shop. Thanks for posting such exhaustive detail. (and for chiming in with opinions and answers when I've inquired) Saint Nicholas Day has come and gone, So Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you! Best Peter

What fortuitous timing on your providing photo documentation, Jon. I'm just about to start the wales (Chapter 6 of the Practicum) and was wondering why Bob Hunt was using thicker stock for those 7 strakes. The plans don't really show any difference in the width at the bow for the wales. Many models I've seen at this site also seem not to deal with this detail. The photo from 1914 above seems to confirm that there's no difference in the planking thickness between gunports and waterline. Here's a photo from the practicum: That begs the question, why bother with thicker stock? Thoughts gentlemen?

I have the same question. Also, how many hours a week do you spend in your shipyard? I just spent 4 hours adding 7 rows of planking from the transom to where the rudder post will be. Very impressive productivity Mustafa!

Did my homework.. Spun my wheels, and made these parts no less than three times. (too much whittling, ugh). Installed them and then made a little progress on the planking front. For the foreseeable future, I'll be working upside down...

Ha! Well said!

Thank you kindly, sir! Many hours at the shop today with little to nothing to show for it. I'll resume after the pulled-out hair grows back. I suspect there will be wood putty application in the immediate future..

2023 Dec 14. Planked the part of the stern transom. After much deliberation, I have decided to move to Chapter 6 in the Practicum and continue planking to the keel. Chapter 4 diverts to the spar deck details, after planking a portion of the stern transom (Chapter 4.1). I’d rather work with the hull upside down when I start planking and from what I’ve seen in the Practicum, this is slightly problematic if I carry on with instruction in Chapters 4 and 5. Now that I’ve had the benefit of a couple of days intense study of the process laid out in Chapter 4.1 and continuing with Chapter 6, I’m more than a little miffed at Bob Hunt. In Chapter 4.1 Bob observes that “..with the transom extensions ending where they do, this alignment is off and I had to compensate for it by adding a small piece of 3/32” wood to the bottom of the transom extensions to make them slightly longer”. Then in Chapter 6.1.1 “Planking the Counter”, Bob addresses the counter extension, which attaches to the transom extension. For Pete’s sake, why wasn’t this counter extension added to the transom extension when that was installed? Furthermore, one could ask, why wasn’t the laser-cut piece for the transom extension made to include this extra material. To futz with this crap now is a royal pain and could have easily been avoided. Sigh… This photo could come after the diagram, but it illustrates the filler material I just added per Hunt Practicum instructions in chapter 4.1 Adding that counter extension will be an adventure now... Okay, enough carping, I’ll deal with it later… So, in keeping with my switch to filler blocks vs. gunport framing, I added three blocks where the stern gunports should go. In retrospect, I should have made these long enough to touch the counter, but it is what it is. I then made blanks of the gunports so that I could position the plank below the ports – see photos below. Since I will keep these doors closed, and since there won’t even be a gun sticking out of the port, I opted to dress up the blanks to look like the closed port cover. I made good use of my Proxxon micro mill to carve the horizontal center line simulating where the upper and lower cover meet. Then I positioned the mill to put center marks where the two holes in the upper cover are supposed to be. Finally, I drilled 3/32” holes. Always looking for a way to use the Proxxon micro mill.. Looking good. (The port covers are not glued in, but man they aren't coming out easily either. May not be a problem? I think I'd like them out when adding hinges later. A problem for another time.)

Oh my! How did I miss that one! Adding it to my list of references. Thanks for the tip

Among finished build logs to consult for inspiration and insight, don't forget XKEN https://modelshipworld.com/topic/11935-uss-constitution-by-xken-model-shipways-scale-1768/

I would love to know how my stern gunports ended up so far apart (vertically).

I'm only missing the tip of an index finger, and it's been challenging at times to deal with the fine-motor-skill work. I can't imagine doing it with one hand. Simply amazing.

Glad they're working out for you.

My thoughts exactly. Glad to have them confirmed by such an accomplished builder. Bottom's Up!

Hmmm, I hadn't thought of that. Since I'm still hoping to keep a natural wood finish, I have been considering skipping the cladding too. Apart from Hipexec, I may be in the extreme minority on this. Decision on painting will be postponed until I finish planking the hull. I'm still perusing chapters 4 and 6 in the Practicum, but think it'll be easier to turn the hull over to do the planking and to that end, having exposed bulkheads for my clamps would be beneficial. Gee, have I made my decision? Thanks Jon Peter

Not much changed since yesterday, but I did add two more rows of 3/32 x 3/64" planking to take me to the end of Chapter 3.4 in the Hunt Practicum. I was planning to continue planking to the keel, but noticed that Bob shifts attention to building a stand in Chapter 3.5 then moves on to the Spar Deck. He doesn't return to planking the hull until Chapter 6. To those of you who've done the Practicum, is there any good reason to postpone planking until Spar Deck is more or less finished? Seems to me that I can more easily plank with the hull clamped upside down. If the spar deck is done first, I think I'll have to plank with the hull in the stand. Thoughts?

I didn't need the drill press, but I did invest in two other Proxxon tools. The lathe and the micro milling machine with compound table. I haven't used the lathe yet, probably won't need it until it's time to tackle the yard arms, but the milling machine has proved useful already. Most recently, I used it to find the exact center of the 1/2 x 5/8" plugs I made to position the planking around the gunports. I'm feeling nostalgic for my days as an apprentice tool and die maker under my uncle's tutelage. My favorite machine was the Bridgeport milling machine. Ah, those were the good old days. If Byrnes does start selling their saws again, I might take another look, but the Proxxon saw is pretty darned nice. Once you figure out how to do the micro adjustments, you can get fantastic accuracy on a cut.

Quick update. Two strakes of the 1/8" x 3/64" planking to go after enclosing the port side gun ports. I made little plugs (using the Proxxon saw to absolutely nail the 1/2 x 5/8" dimensions), to help facilitate the planking around the gunports. My method for locating the center holes in the filler blocks proved also to be spot on. As evidenced by dry fitting the gunport covers and cannon. Called it a day with two strakes to go before I switch to the narrower stock for the task of planking to the keel. The fun will begin in earnest then... Now that I've constructed the gunport frames two different ways, I had to ask myself, Self, which was the better method? Since I plan to have the covers closed around the cannons, I did find the filler block method to be easier to implement than the Bob Hunt's (or the MSW kit's) method. Had I not had the disk sander and band saw, which made shaping the blocks to fit easier, the framing method might have had the edge. But the added gluing surface provided by the filler blocks swings the vote back to the latter. (Rita, in case you decided to check back in, thanks again for breakfast this morning - and thanks for your continued interest in the build).

Wow, you're setting quite the pace. Once again, excellent workmanship. I'm taking notes...

Celebrated the anniversary of my Natal Day at the ship yard today. 1. Set up my new tool with zero clearance insert. Haven't needed it yet on Conny, but have set it up to deal with the finishing touches on one of the projects that sidelined me since October. It may not be a Byrnes, but this is pretty sweet. (Proxxon) 2. Got the port side gunport filler blocks installed and began planking starting at the stern. A couple of concerted effort days at the ship yard, and I'll have the port side planked down to the level I left off at on the starboard side. Then the fun really begins. See you in about a week. note the Micro Mark unit in the upper left corner. Completely useless... (one of the projects that had me sidelined. The Proxxon saw made quick work of netting exact 2" square game tiles.)

Aha! Thanks for the clarification. and Happy Saint Nicholas Day.

Sorry about the time lag in asking this question, but the photo you sent shows the gun-port covers installed, but not the cannons. Was there a reason they weren't installed. I'm going through hoops on the port side of my build to do those ports a different way. Had I opted to simply keep the covers closed, I could have saved a ton of time by not worrying about where and how the cannons would install (on either side). Filler blocks are the easy way to go in that case. Just curious... Don't forget to leave your boots outside the front door for Saint Nicholas tonight. Best Peter

and it may yet pan out! I did use the Contact page to send them a message after all, and lo and behold: I just received an email reply, "A ticket was issued for replacement stock for the USS Constitution". The 1/8 x 3/64" stock will likely arrive too late to do me any good, but I sure will need the 3/32 x 3/64" stock. I can't easily make that myself - though I did just take possession of a Proxxon Micro table saw. Maybe I could rip my own, but I'd rather not. Thanks yet again targa! Best

An added benefit of applying the varnish is that the copper plating will now remain copper colored. Once again, beautiful workmanship!