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Thank you Phil and David, for the nice comments. Sorry I haven't posted in a while. I had reason to work on some other things. One of those is a big project that is close to completion and then I have someone who wants the Alert and would like it in the next few months. So, I'll press ahead. Hopefully, the end of the build will go as well as the start of it. But, I have no experience rigging a paper model. The masts and yards are all wood, so that's no problem. However, I sense the need to be particularly careful about the shrouds, deadeyes and chainplates. I'm actually wondering if I can work out a way to set the upper deadeyes, then rig the ratlines off the model. In theory, if I could set up a stand that holds the mast and a set of lower deadeyes in the exact position, everything should work out. No? Now, one thing that happened recently is that I can't get any more of the pear wood blocks I bought from Syren Ship Model Company. I probably have enough for this rig. But, I've been thinking about switching to paper blocks anyway. It IS a paper model, after all. I've only rigged a few blocks, so those should be easy enough to replace. Hope it all looks good! Clare
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catopower replied to michael101's topic in Metal Work, Soldering and Metal Fittings
Hi Michael, For metal casting, I like the 10 to 1 RTV silicone rubber that Micromark sells. It can take up to 600˚ F or about 450˚ sustained.I tried using stuff from TAP Plastics, which works, but it's thicker and harder to work with I think. I started casting Britannia Pewter, but the melt temperatures are high and so I started using a Tin/Bismuth alloy. I recommend staying away from lead. Rotometals.com has a whole range of low melt alloys and their prices are much better than buying them from Micromark. Personally, I enjoyed learning the new skill. Clare -
Funny, but I ran into the same question today... I'm working on a 1770s colonial schooner with windlass. I just got the line for the anchor cables in the mail today and went to mount them. Then, I realized I wasn't sure which way to run them. I was trying to look at photos of Harold Hahn's work, but, dare I say, I think he might have it wrong. It's actually kind of hard to say as the photos I have don't show the windlass very clearly. Most photos are about the general structure of his models, not on the rigging details. But, I think he has the anchor cable coming off the bottom of the windlass and backwards from the way Harland describes in his book. So, SOS, I think you're right. In Harland's book on page 263, bottom of first column, he writes "The cable was taken three times around the barrel, the turns coming off the top, the inboard part being kept to the outer end, to facilitate fleeting the turns." Clare
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Hi Phil, There are probably plenty of people on MSW who can chime in with better answers than mine. You're right in the Bluenose II being a wooden hull ship. In fact, I don't think I've ever built a wooden model of a steel hull ship. Well, at least until Sir Winston Churchill. So, I've never had to worry about trying to get rid of wood grain or planking outlines. For my Woody Joe Sir Winston Churchill model, I've been using plain old Elmer's wood filler on the hull. Regular sanding sealer can be applied after filling. In fact, it seems to harden the filler a bit, which is otherwise pretty soft. I'm not sure what to do about an undercoat prior to painting yet. I haven't gotten there, but will have to figure that out pretty soon. I saw on another thread where someone recommended using a coat of Future on the hull to get a smooth finish. I've never tried that though, so I can't say that it works well or not. Clare
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Hi Phil, Nice progress on your SWC. I always liked the Billing Boat series of kits that has you build the hull in halves. I built their Bluenose II kit that way and it all went together quite nicely. I recently received the update Woody Joe kit (Japanese manufacturer) of the Sir Winston Churchill which is the exact same scale as the Billing Boats kit. Your blog and the posts by various people here are very helpful. There are some details that seem a little simplified in the Woody Joe kit, so I've been scouring the Internet and calling on various resources. I didn't see anyone mention this here yet, but there are some neat short videos about the ship on Youtube. This one seems to be a spliced together compilation of them: If you can put up with the use of the Wagner music in a couple spots, most of it is actually well narrated. I've had a hard time finding good reference photos, so this video turned out to be a godsend for me. Clare
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Hello "The Old Man", Birch plywood is fine for bulkheads and strong back. Just get stuff that's flat as others have said. Aircraft grade is nicer to work with, but in the end, what you're using should be just as good. I'd suggest using something nicer for the actual visible keel, stem and sternpost though. I like to use boxwood for those, even with kits. I've cut off the existing stem and keel of those "all in one" keel/strong back pieces and replace them with boxwood (or pear wood) pieces, built up as with the real ships and nobody can tell the inside is just plywood. Using nice wood for those visible areas will avoid bad looking edges and the wood discoloration you're getting, and would allow you to leave the visible wood natural if you like. Clare
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A fine finish to your beautiful build, Bob! You should send your photos to Woody Joe. They would love to see it too. Clare
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Bob, Excellent job on the Mariefred! Your model is a great advertisement for Nordic Class Boats – a superb build! Clare
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grsjax, I've been scouring the Internet for more than a year for Japanese wooden boat/ship model kits. If you check my Tosa Wasen build, that kit is the only non-Woody Joe wooden boat kit that I'm aware of from Japan. Clare
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Wefalck, Actually, some of what was recorded by Pâris seems very good . What kind of craft are you looking for? Douglas Brooks has a few drawings of small boats in his book. You might also try contacting him about more comprehensive plans of the watercraft he studied. You can contact him through his website at http://www.douglasbrooksboatbuilding.com. Beyond that, I doubt you'll find much. Japanese boatbuilding traditions didn't include the use of plans the way we're accustomed to in western traditions. Also, I don't think there's a great deal of interest in preserving this kind of information in modern Japanese society, except among a small handful of people. Clare -
Here it is, the final entry on the Tosa Wasen build. I took a little time figuring out the knots used for the anchor, which had a Japanese name. Also, I wanted the model to represent an Edo period boat, though I couldn't find any information of the exact age of this design. In fact, this small fishing boats of the Tosa region were built to the needs of the individual and there were many boat builders, so there were probably many variations. But, the model is done and I'll figure out how I want to display it next. As you can see, with the Ro in place (the long sculling oar), the model is quite long. With it in the stowed position, it's 2' long. With no masts, it will fit easily on a bookcase shelf, unlike most of my other models. This has been a really interesting build and great kit for those who don't want to go as far as using Douglas Brooks' drawings and the information in his book to try to scratch building a traditional Japanese boat. I think this is about as close as you're ever going to get in a kit. Still, I'd recommend reading his book while building this kit, to really get the fullest experience. I plan on bringing this to the NRG Conference in San Diego this Fall. So, hopefully, ship modelers who don't get around to trying out this kit can see it in person. But, if you're interested in building this kit, don't wait. Here again is the contact info for buying the kit from the manufacturer who seems very happy to sell to faraway customers, payment via Paypal. Email Mr. Tanimura at: Thermal-Studio Website: Thermal-Studio (remember the boat kit is not listed – They manufacture glider kits) If you contact Tanimura-san, please say hello for me. Also, be sure to check out Mr. Toshihiko Shibafuji, who assisted with the design of the kit: http://wave.ap.teacup.com/wasennfunadaiku/ Hope to see some more of these in build logs here on MSW soon. (Yeah, I'm thinking about you, Bob) Clare
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While I'm at, I thought I'd go ahead and post some pictures of some of the accessories included in the kit. These include a bailer, a small paddle, and a pair of wooden seats. These were a fun and easy part of the build and add some life to the model. In earlier pics, to get them out of the way, I just put them into the compartments under the deck. Getting close to the finish now. Should be done in the next one or two posts... Clare
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The next step in construction of the Tosa Wasen kit is to add the deck boards. This part of the build turned out to be a lot tricker than I'd expected. This is an area where you really want to take your time, and it's easy to want to rush through it. The deck boards serve as a deck to walk (or sit) on and work on, but they are also designed to be removable, allowing the fisherman access to storage space under the deck. This allows the deck to be kept clear and free of clutter, making for a tidy looking boat. Beam supports glued into place. The beams are sanded to fit, but I left them unglued, so they'll remain removable. Ledges are then cut to length and glued to the beams for the deck boards to rest upon. The deck boards themselves are rather interesting in that they are made such that almost no two are alike. Each one can only fit in one location, with the possible exception of the boards that cover the live wells in the center of the boat. But, given that there are many boards, it would seem to be something of a puzzle trying to figure out which one fits where. To make the positioning more obvious, there are two lines scribed into the top of the boards. The lines form a sort of an arrowhead with the point at the front of the forward most board, and each compartment has a 3 or more deck boards covering it, with its own arrowhead pattern scribed on it. This makes for a quick recognition of the order of the deck boards and also makes it easier to keep from mixing them up. Note that at least one deck board of each set has a square notch cut into one edge that serves as a finger hole to make it easier to pull up the board. The kit supplies the deck boards as laser-cut pieces, which look they'd make it easy to put them into place. However, in order to allow some variation between models, these parts are cut over-sized, so they have to be sanded to fit. This turned out to be a far trickier than I'd expected, as the Japanese cedar is pretty soft, and really wanted to avoid small gaps between boards. In fact, I used every scrap piece of cedar that I could find in the kit in order to finish the deck boards. If you're building this kit, Proceed Very Carefully here The next step was to scribe the patterns into the deck boards. I found it easiest to take each group of deck boards which are part of the same pattern set and marking the endpoints on the first and last board, then scribing them all together as a group. I lined them up against a straight edge to keep them in alignment. This was pretty much the last of the difficult work. There is one more step that was a little tricky, but in a completely different way, and that was the next step. For those following along with the kit instructions, this is step 33. This involves the construction of the covers for the cargo compartments in the bow and the stern of the boat. If you haven't built the model kit yet, I would suggest doing this work in steps 17 and 18 before the compartments are decked over. It would just be a lot easier. I'm not positive why the kit has you build the compartment covers now instead of earlier in the build. Possibly, it's because the real boat would probably be built in the order shown in the kit. That would be okay, except that trying to reach in with your finger and thumb to get the covers into place without knocking parts into the compartments is pretty difficult. The kit includes a small pair of wooden tweezers that you're instructed to build for handling those compartment doors. In the long run, these will be necessary in order to be able to remove or replace these doors without damaging the wood. Clare
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Happy New Year All! Well, I have made a little more progress on the Tosa Wasen, but I'll post that later. For now, I'm taking a moment to mention that if you're in San Francisco, my wasen model display in Japantown has been extended through January. It's in the Japan Center's East Mall building, in the window of Union Bank's community room. The next one I imagine will be in late Spring perhaps. It all depends on what others have scheduled for the display window. But, rest assured the next one will include the Tosa Wasen. Also, with the start of the new year, I thought I'd take a moment to plug Douglas Brooks' book, Traditional Japanese Boatbuilding. This won't tell you step-by-step how to build a Japanese boat, but it will give you all the background about traditional Japanese boatbuilding, materials and tools used, and you can see some of the techniques used and read about Mr. Brooks' five apprenticeships with some of the rapidly disappearing master boat builders of Japan. I recommend ordering the book direct from the author's website as all profits go to helping support research instead of supporting the resellers (not that there's anything wrong with resellers). Here the link: douglasbrooksboatbuilding.com Clare
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Hi Bob, That's great news. Of course, judging from your Higaki Kaisen model, you're final model will probably look better than mine. Anyway, I'm hoping they get a lot of international sales for this kit now. Clare
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1/10-scale Japanese Fishing Boat kit from Thermal Studios
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I posted this in my build log, but it makes sense to put the info here too. Buying the Tosa Wasen Kit If you're looking to buy the kit, there is a faster, less expensive method than trying to get it through Amazon-Japan where I got mine. I found out that you can buy it from the manufacturer for a very good price. To buy from the manufacturer, send an email to the company: info@thermal-kobo.jp. Price for the kit is 13,000 Yen Shipping is via EMS (A Chinese Express Mail Service that ends with a USPS delivery) for 2,400 Yen Payment has to be via Paypal, sending to the email address above. This is a really good price. Makes the whole thing with express shipping only about $130. I went ahead and ordered a second kit. The only thing that I'm not so sure about is that the kit is shipped in its own box, but wrapped with a bubblewrap bag. It's a long box, so it seems like it would be easy to bend in half. But, I received the first kit this way and it was delivered just fine. Then again, I generally have good experiences with the US Postal Service here. It looks like I might have been their first international sale as the owner posted a picture of the kit shipping out to the USA on their Facebook page. I hope he sells a lot of kits! Clare -
Thanks very much John and S.Coleman! Buying the Tosa Wasen Kit Okay, so here it is... I have some information for those looking to buy the kit. First, there's the hard way and more expensive way, which is through Amazon-Japan, as I described and where I got mine. The second is direct from the manufacturer for a very good price. To buy from the manufacturer, send an email to the company: info@thermal-kobo.jp. Price for the kit is 13,000 Yen Shipping is via EMS (A Chinese Express Mail Service that ends with a USPS delivery) for 2,400 Yen Payment has to be via Paypal, sending to the email address above. This is a really good price. Makes the whole thing with express shipping only about $130. I went ahead and ordered a second kit. The only thing that I'm not so sure about is that the kit is shipped in its own box, but wrapped with a bubblewrap bag. It's a long box, so it seems like it would be easy to bend in half. But, I received the first kit this way and it was delivered just fine. Then again, I generally have good experiences with the US Postal Service here. Clare
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Hi Mark, Glad to hear about the arrival of the Hacchoro. I'm sure you're going to really like building that kit! Looks great on the shelf too with the sails and all the oars. Clare
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Hi Peter, Darren, I'm working on it. Before you try to buy one, make sure to read through this topic and also this: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/12018-110-scale-japanese-fishing-boat-kit-from-thermal-studios/ After about a year of searching and thinking this was a discontinued kit, I had to buy mine on Amazon.co.jp here: http://www.amazon.co.jp/サーマル工房-木製模型-土佐和船-二十尺チヌ釣舟/dp/B0070HU3KI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1451347724&sr=8-1&keywords=土佐和船 This required using a third party to handle the international shipping. The manufacturer's site is http://www.thermal-kobo.jp. It doesn't have a web shop and the kit is not even shown as one of their products. I'm trying to find out if they are willing to sell regularly to international customers. The Amazon.co.jp shop sells one-at-a-time (inventory = 1), and Zootoyz.jp has been unable to get information about carrying the kit. I'll post more about purchasing direct as soon as I get more info. Clare
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Thanks, Druxey. Always good to know you're out there! Sam, looking forward to it whenever you're able to get to it. Hope everyone has had a nice Christmas. For me, it was a short break, and now back to work and projects! I recently made contact with the manufacturer and sent him some links to my blog and MSW posts. Next thing I know, someone from the Tosa Traditional Japanese Boat Society reached out to me and also there is a post on Facebook. Here's a link to their Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/tosawasen/?pnref=story I tried to link to the actual post, but I don't see an easy way of doing that. But, in any case, I found the guy who actually drew up the plans for manufacture, Toshihiko Shibafuji. He studied traditional Japanese boatbuilding with a master boatbuilder, Mr. Hiromitsu, and it also turns out he knows Douglas Brooks, who I already know. So, it seems that the circle is complete! As for the model, it was time to paint the bottom of the hull. The finish of the hull bottoms changed a bit over time. But, what we see as common for the Edo period would be black paint. While I was at it, I went ahead and added the splash rail. The joint where the two piece meet and also the bottoms of the pieces had to be beveled to fit properly. Here's another view... Finally, I built the well area. This was pretty straightforward, though I did start to run into little discrepancies in part alignment, which is going to happen on kits with pre-cut parts. Also, a reminder that it's REALLY easy to over sand the kit's Japanese cedar. The bottom of the boat will be comprised of covered compartments. So, beams and ledges will be added to seat the deck boards / compartment covers. The well section is the tallest compartment. Here, I'm adjusting the position of the ledge that I'm gluing into place on one of the well partitions. I used wood from the sheet of deck covers as a guide for exact positioning of the ledge. This assures that the deck covers will be flush with the tops of the partitions. Here's the completed well area before deck covers and fitted into place. Note the ledges glued to the hull. Clare
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Hello Sam, There is only one book on Japanese boat building that I know of that's written in English. It was just published last Fall. If you can afford the full price, you can get it from the author's website douglasbrooksboatbuilding.com. All profits go to support his research. He was one of the speakers at the NRG conference in Mystic this year. Both the Hacchoro and Yakatabune kits are about the same level of difficulty, a bit less tricky than the Tosa Wasen, and you don't need to know anything about Japanese boat construction to build them. But, it's nice to know about traditional construction so you can see how the kits have simplified the process for the modeler. The Hacchoro makes a nice display because it's big, has tall sails and eight sculling oars and the kit's not too expensive. As always, I recommend getting them from Zootoyz.jp. His prices are generally better than what you find on Amazon, his service is great, and if you use EMS shipping, which I recommend, you should have the kit in about a week or so. The Tosa Wasen, I bought off of Amazon-Japan and had to use an intermediary since there were no international shipping options. I'm checking with the manufacturer about options though. It's easier to find images of Hacchoro on the Internet because they still have modern built replicas and hold regular Hacchoro races in Yaizu city, I think it is. But, it helps to do your image searching using Kanji characters and not type out Hacchoro in English, or you'll just get nothing but links to my own blog site! So, just copy and paste this: 八丁櫓 I'm planning on building another Hacchoro in the not too distant future. Whatever you get, I hope to see you start a build log on one here! Clare
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Thanks for the nice comments all. Regarding the difficulty of the kit. In general, it's not a difficult build as there is no rigging, few fittings, and lots of laser cut parts. Beams, stem pieces, and other wooden parts are pre-milled as well. No long pieces of strip wood that need to be cut to down, no sheet wood or dowels. Even so, I wouldn't go so far as to say it makes a good beginner's kit. First off, the instructions are all in Japanese. Secondly, it's made using traditional materials used in the real boats. Cedar is a little splintery, strong grain makes it difficult to cut straight when trimming, and it's a little soft and easy to over sand. It seems to make a nice kit for someone who has some experience and wants a different kind of challenge. Probably best to have some interest in traditional Japanese boat construction. Otherwise, one of the Woody Joe kits like the Hacchoro or Yakatabune might be a better option. Clare
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Hi Burnside, that's one NICE looking model. Great job you've been doing. Very inspiring build. Clare
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