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Continuation: Making the yards - Topgallant yards - Vergue de perroquet After the topsail yards, we continued with the making of the topgallant yards. Here is a quick look at my workplace with the most important utensils for making the yards: The diameters of the topgallant yards, especially in the outer sections, range around 1.6 mm. In this respect, it is not surprising, if you work without a steady rest, that it can sometimes come to breakage. At the latest when working on the yardarms, it is advisable to support the filigree yards with a steady rest. The next picture shows the finishing of the octagon in the center of the yard. The last picture should give an impression of how filigree the topgallant yards are compared to the lower yards. It shows the yardarms of the main yard compared to the mizzen topgallant yard. The octagon of the yardarm of the mizzen topgallant yard still has a width of 1.3 mm at the outer end. Of course, the royal yards can be made even thinner and more filigree. Especially the octagonal shaping at the yardarms requires special care. To be continued ...

Hello Siggi, Thanks for the pictures. It looks as if this is a lamp that is placed below the wind rose. Accordingly, Keith's ( @Keith Black ) reasoning would be absolutely correct.

Maybe the compass question can still be solved, in the meantime things will continue with the yards: Continued: Making the yards - main topsail yard - Vergue de grand hunier For long enough I evaded the decision to execute the yardarms of the main topsail yard. Further research on this did not bring any new findings. Now that the holidays are over and with renewed vigor in the new year, I have decided on the following embodiment of the yardarms of the topsail yards, as already signaled in one of the last posts: So now we can continue with the production of the yards. Sequel follows …

Hello Keith, this question is quite justified, and of course I have already asked myself. So I looked for examples where a lamp is attached to the bottom of the case. Like Bob, I reasoned that this is how the light shines from below between the hanger and the compass card. But like I said before, I couldn't find anything about it. In the end I don't know.

Hello Bob, I have also considered this possibility and searched for examples on the Internet. After I have found no similar cases, I have discarded these thoughts. There seems to be a lot to be argued for a flinders bar.

Hello fellow colleagues, Thank you for your interesting contributions. Andy's explanation (@realworkingsailor) meanwhile I also think it's very plausible. Thank you for this post too.

It's an interesting approach, let's see. Isn't it too far down for a lamp?

Hello fellow colleagues, happy new year 2023, and above all health. Before we continue with the yards with fresh energy and motivation, I would like to clarify one more question about the ship's compass. ship compass There is a cylindrical part on the back of the La Créole compass housing, which I recently discovered in one of the high-resolution images from the Musée national de Marine Paris. Source: Musée national de Marine Paris This part can be seen even better on a photograph of the steering gear of a contemporary model from the Paris Museum (compass is unfortunately missing). Source: Musée national de Marine Paris I would like to add this part to my model and find out more about its function. Based on what I've learned so far, I see two possibilities: - It could be a so-called flinders bar (soft iron corrector), which reduces the influence of the compass needle on iron parts; - or to a lighting. However, the fact that it is a wooden ship speaks against the flinders bar. Only the guns could have a corresponding impact on the compass needle. Basically, these brass binnacles of the compasses were illuminated with oil lamps, which were also cylindrical and designed with a round attachment (ventilation). From what I saw on the internet, for example, these cylindrical parts were located directly on top of the housing and were usually attached on both sides. Therefore, I see this part in its function as a soft iron corrector, or is there another explanation? I would be very grateful for your help with this. It would be nice if I could get more information on this.

Very nice work !

Continuation: Clarification of the yardarms As already announced, I have now also drawn a variant with vertical cleats. However, with this variant I see a big problem with the guidance of the topgallant sheets. In addition, I find on the contemporary ship models actually predominantly horizontally arranged cleats. The pictures of the La Créole, which were kindly given to me by the Musée national de Marine Paris, do not show the decisive details of these filigree parts in spite of a higher resolution. But in connection with the already shown yardarm of the Le Suffren I will most likely realize the previously drawn variant. The yardarm of the Le Friedland 1810 also goes in this same direction. During all the research I also found out that the yardarms of the lower yards so far are not quite correct, so I simply made these yards (shown in the picture above) again, as shown below: To be continued ...

Very fine details !

Hello Gerard, Thank you very much, that is a very big help, especially the chronological classification. This gives me confidence in my decision to bring the studding sail boom irons directly in front of the yards. I recently received higher resolution images from La Créole from the Musée national de Marine Paris. You can see the details of the yardarms a little better there. But only so far that you can see that the studding sail boom irons do not have a 45 ° angle, but place the studding sail boom directly in front of the yards. Here I show a compilation of the lower yard arms of La Créole in the form of excerpts from the image material available to me. Source: Musée national de Marine Paris

Hello, many thanks to you for your interest and your contributions, as well as thanks to the many LIKES. Continued: Clarifying the yard arms After researching contemporary ship models from the Musée national de Marine, I assembled a collection of yard arms as shown below: As you can see, there were the most diverse forms of yardarms, probably also depending on the shipyard in which these yards were manufactured. But they all have the "spiky" cleats, which do not always stick out vertically, but often horizontally and are mainly to be found on the topsail yards. The yard arms of the lower yards were somewhat simpler and often designed like the following example from L'Achille 1804: Source: Musée national de Marine, L'Achille 1804 Source: monograph La Créole v. J Boudriot Taking into account the results of the research in connection with Boudriot's drawings, I tried, initially in drawing, to represent the yards of the Mars yards of La Créole as they might have looked. In particular, I orientated myself on the yard arm of the yard on the model of the Le Suffren 1829. Not only does the period fit, the Le Suffren was also designed by the naval architect P. M. Leroux, like the La Créole. Therefore, I see my subsequent attempt at reconstruction as a thoroughly realistic variant. The cleats may also have been vertical. In this respect, I will also draw a variant and then make a decision. Sequel follows …

Hello Gerard, no problem. Discussion was factual, and was not uninteresting. Now back to the real problems of the world ... to the yard arms of La Creole ... 😁

Hello, in between I made a video about the naval artillery of my french corvette. I tried to show the different stages of construction. I hope that one or the other likes it and perhaps serves as inspiration. Have fun ! LINK

@John Fox III @Keith Black @JerryTodd @wefalck Your posts on this topic are really very interesting. Ultimately, I will make my conclusions about the details of the yard arms from all the information I have been given, visual material from the Internet and from contemporary literature. I hope that this will result in a viable design for my model.

At LA CRÉOLE the stun'sail boom irons probably looked like this:

Continued: Clarifying the yardarms After an extensive web search I came across this book: "Description de l'art de la Mâture" (published in 1778) by Charles Nicolas Romme. Below are excerpts of the yardarms: Fig. 38 clearly explains the "oval" cross-sections in the area of the cleats on the yardarms. In connection with the design of the yardarms for the La Créole, the question of the chronological classification naturally arises: The Le Rivoli is from 1810, the Le Sphinx from 1829 and the Le Neptune from 1836. In this respect, this is for the epoch of the La Créole applicable. Apparently I'm not the only one who stumbled across this problem. So thanks again to G. Delacroix who gave me the crucial hint. For my model, however, the question now arises as to how I can reconcile this detail with the drawings by J. Boudriot. I would prefer to stick to the original model. Unfortunately I don't have any meaningful detailed pictures. Ultimately, I will have to make a decision about this detailed design, even with the risk that it will not be entirely correct.

@G. Delacroix Thank you in advance for the valuable information. I obviously misinterpreted the drawing by J. Boudriot. Now following your hint I see that it only works graphically as an oval. I also researched my picture collection again and found a picture of the Le Neptune 1836 from the Musée national de la Marine Paris. A yard can be seen there as a reserve, comparable to that of the Rivoli. Allowed me to include your drawing and that of J. Boudriot in this example. Source: Musée national de la Marine Paris, G. Delacroix, J. Boudriot I also found a very interesting picture of a yardarm from the mizzen topsail yard of Le Sphinx 1829. Source: Musée national de la Marine Paris Will now try to make the yardarms of the topsail yards for the La Créole in the oval version according to the drawing by J. Boudriot. I am very open and grateful for further hints and examples.

Continuation: Making the yards - Fore topsail yard - Vergue de petit hunier After making the lower yards, I started working on the topsail yards. In contrast to the yardarms of other navies in the comparable period, the ones of the French navy seem adventurous. Probably due to a higher flexibility of the sailing maneuvers, these topsails are a certain challenge for the modeler, as can be seen on the following pictures for the mizzen topsail -, fore topsail - and main topsail yard of the La Créole. Source: Monograph La Creole by J. Boudriot Unfortunately, I do not have sufficiently sharp images of the original model from which one could derive further details. So I rely on the plan drawing of the monograph except for the formation of the studding sail booms at the yards of the mizzen mast. For this I again follow the original model, which clearly shows no studding sail booms at the mizzen mast. Further research shows that many contemporary French models also do not have studding sail booms at the yards of the mizzen mast. John Harland in his book "Seamanship in the Age of Sail" writes about studding sails on the mizzen mast that in his opinion they were neither popular nor particularly practical. After several attempts, the fore topsail yard seems to have succeeded according to the drawing specifications, at least I am satisfied. The next picture shows the fore topsail yard compared to the main yard, where the yard arm has a simpler design. The drawing with dimensions for the main topsail yard is already available. Soon it will go further ...

Hello Giorgio, this will be a very nice model. Very good work so far.

@Gahm @matiz @FriedClams @Vladimir_Wairoa @dvm27 Hello, I am very grateful for your interest and the nice comments, as well as for the many LIKES. That motivates immensely. Continuation: Production of the yards - Vergues We continued with the production of the yards. With the help of G. Delacroix I was able to clarify a few questions about the dimensions of the yards. Accordingly, I used the following table for the dimensions of the masts, yards and spars of the "La Blonde", which is identical in construction to the "La Créole". Source: Monograph on La Créole by J. Boudriot, page 56 There, among other things, the diameters are given in addition to the lengths. As a rule, the small diameter of a yard is 2/5 of the large diameter, as I could learn from G. Delacroix. As you can see on the following pictures, the lower yards with the studding sail booms have been made so far in the meantime. Various details on the yard arms, such as for the installation of sheaves for the sheets still require final clarification. Also with the studding sail booms there are still questions about details, as shown in the following example of the model of the "Le Cotre 1830". I would be very grateful for any suggestions and hints. Source: Modèles Historiques au Musée de la Marine - Volume 2 - Jean Boudriot To be continued ...

It's hard to believe that this is 1:350 scale. To produce these tiny details so cleanly and accurately is worthy of special recognition. A very nice modelship, congratulations.

Hello , very nice work, and good research.