uss frolick

Thanks Wayne.
 
Your excerpt of Kopp, Nadine, 2012, “The Influence of the War of 1812 on Great Lakes Shipbuilding.” MA Thesis, East Carolina Univeristy ,gave some very helpful measured dimensions of both schooners for anyone attempting to reconstruct them. 

Kevin Crisman of TAMU is Author of "Coffins of the Brave" .
 
Here are the 2 books Sir Frolick mentioned:
 
Cain, Emily. 1983. Ghost Ships: Hamilton and Scourge : Historical Treasures from the War of 1812. Toronto; New York: Musson ; Beaufort Books. Crisman, Kevin James, ed. 2014. Coffins of the Brave: Lake Shipwrecks of the War of 1812. First edition. Ed Rachal Foundation Nautical Archaeology Series in Association with the Institute of Nautical Archaeology and the Center for Maritime Archaeology and Conservation. College Station: Texas A&M University Press. https://www.academia.edu/9802517/Coffins_of_the_Brave_-_Introduction.

It is getting a tad late so I must absent myself from the computer for the evening. Will continue the search in the morning. Let me leave you, though, with a couple of teasers.
 
First, a "virtual tour".  http://1812tour.hamilton.ca/hamilton_scourge.html
 
There are an impressive number of photographs apparently available through the project. It appears that Brandy Lockhart of Parks Canada may be the "go to" person.
Lockhart, Brandy M., Jonathan Moore and Robert Clarke, 2009 New Insights into the Nautical Archaeology of the Hamilton and Scourge. ACUA
Underwater Archaeology Proceedings 2009, Erika Laanela and Jonathan Moore, editors, pp. 173-180. Advisory Council on Underwater Archaeology.
 
Also see the information in the attached thesis extract.
 
Kopp, Nadine. 2012. “The Influence of the War of 1812 on Great Lakes Shipbuilding.” MA Thesis, East Carolina Univeristy. https://thescholarship.ecu.edu/handle/10342/3839.  
Extracted pages from Kopp_ecu_0600M_10625.pdf
This next one offers little new, but may provide an additional contact.
McAllister, Michael. 2009. “Museum under the Waves: Preserving and Interpreting the Hamilton and  Scourge National Historic Site of Canada.” In ACUA Underwater Archaeology Proceedings, 2009. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/323704276_McAllister_-_Museum_091201.  
I am debating on purchasing the books by Crisman and Cain - any advice, Stephen?
 
Ps. It was interesting to see your description of the Wasp/Reindeer engagement compared to that offered by TR. Rather flattering, eh?
Crawford, Michael J. 2002. “The Lasting Influence of Theodore Roosevelt’s Naval War of 1812.” International Journal of Naval History 1 (1). http://www.ijnhonline.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/pdf_crawford.pdf.  Footnote #9.  
 

@uss frolick
 
Thanks - I purchased the Cain book today on that site named for a river (under $12 with shipping). I actually have a PDF copy of Crisman's Coffins of the Brave (available at his page on Academia.edu).
 
I have done a fairly deep dive seeking more but it appears most are only in unpublished manuscript form at the Hamilton Scourge website, which is woefully uninformative. I was able to obtain the 2009 ACUA Underwater Archaeology Proceedings via their website (free pdf).
 
i may be able to glean some info from that as there are several articles listed in Crisman. I'll keep you posted if I can find anything.
 
 

I flatter easily ... 😛
 
I would recommend both Scourge/Hamilton books, as well as "A Life Before the Mast", by Ned Myers, a Scourge sailor's narrative of the sinking. The Cain book is getting hard to find. Crisman definitely!
 
 

Hey Wayne, Can you find any papers or any technical archeological articles on the 1813 Lake Ontario wrecks of the US Schooners Hamilton and Scourge? I mean, other than the books "Ghost Ships" and "Coffins of the Brave", and that National Geographic article from the 1980's?

Nice! I always liked this beautiful frigate and her glorious history! 
 
More Amphion, please ...

The latter link is turning out to be a great read, especially the reviews of Samuel Elliot Morrison's classic 'Sailors Biography of John Paul Jones', Meville's 'White Jacket', and Roosevelt's 'Naval History of 1812'! Thanks!

Hi Sean - I have built the Royal William & the bulkheads & other structural parts were laser cut,which would indicate I built a newer version.  However,even at that ,many of the other parts needed to be scratch built  or shaped from the supplied timber.   This kit is a major undertaking & I would not recommend it to someone who has only built one kit.   Having said that,I wish you the best if you decide to go ahead with it.  I don`t know about the older kits,but the cast decorations in mine were excellent & the dowels were not pre-tapered.  The kit contains only very sparse instructions,but the plan sheets are outstanding.  The Euromodel website has much more detailed instructions written by a fellow modeler & member of Model Ship World.   His name is Peter Coward & goes by the name of pirate pete007.  You may want to contact him using the personal message function for more detailed info.  It does build into a real beauty if you have plenty of time & patience!
 
 
Mark 

Wayne, I built a fully rigged Essex from the MS kit, using the AOTS Essex as the primary source for the rigging. My build log is on this site and is referenced in my signature.
 
Bob

The latter link is turning out to be a great read, especially the reviews of Samuel Elliot Morrison's classic 'Sailors Biography of John Paul Jones', Meville's 'White Jacket', and Roosevelt's 'Naval History of 1812'! Thanks!

The latter link is turning out to be a great read, especially the reviews of Samuel Elliot Morrison's classic 'Sailors Biography of John Paul Jones', Meville's 'White Jacket', and Roosevelt's 'Naval History of 1812'! Thanks!

Me neither ...😥

Me neither ...😥

Me neither ...😥

I came across these fairly recent additions to the US Navy Naval History & Heritage Command collections and thought some of you may find them of interest.
 
Crawford, Michael J. 2017. Officers of Peculiar Skill: Petty and Forward Officers of the U.S. Navy, 1797–1860. Washington, D.C: Naval History and Heritage Command. Corrected Link: https://www.history.navy.mil/content/dam/nhhc/research/publications/Peculiar Skill.pdf ———. 2019. Sea Stories: Forays into American Naval History During the Age of Sail. Washington, D.C: Naval History and Heritage Command. Corrected Link: https://www.history.navy.mil/content/history/nhhc/research/publications/publications-by-subject/sea-stories.html

I knew there was a ship model in there somewhere....
And thanks for all the likes!
 
Edit to add: I just ordered a 3d (resin based) printer.  (Black Friday sale!!)  First project(s) will be some 1/48 crew members for fun, then the Indian Figurehead.  Down the road will be carvings n such for the stern - but that will be much later... And of course whatever else I can come up with.  Probably carronades - or at least one for a mold master and cast the the rest.  Not sure on that yet but I'm sure I can come up with plenty of things to try out!




 

Welp, believe it or not the front cant frames are finished!  Can't believe I'm actually at this moment!  Also I finally built my overhead gantry, Ed Tosti style.  As per my usual of over building everything, it's over built - but that's OK. It works and is square and solid.
One area of concern I'm not happy about is the cant frames vs hawse hole placement.  I drew and redrew that area and finally thought I'd reached my best compromise between the cants (and Hackett's design of them) and the hawse holes location using Baker and Fox's placement of them from 1809.  After seeing the completed frames and roughly laying out where the holes will punch the cant frames I'm not happy at all.  I will not however be going back and redoing the cants again.  3 times is enough.  No one but the experts will know and at this point if I tear them out again I may loose my mojo and bail again.  Don't want to do that.
So, my shipyard and shipwrights will move on with the build.  I'll show some pics later of the area of concern, right now I'm not going to dwell on it.
Cant frames are 90% faired, they look pretty good now.  Port sills are fair and a temporary deck clamp I installed looked good.  Remember the port side will be planked over so if it looks a little rougher than starboard, it is 😉
Pics...







 
And let me introduce my overbuilt Gantry Extreme 3000...  You can also get a view of the build board I made - and more workshop clutter - seems that a theme with me LOL.



 
Happy Thanksgiving everyone! catch you next time

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Bob Friedman

Nice! I always liked this beautiful frigate and her glorious history! 
 
More Amphion, please ...

The British Schooner of War Dominica mounted a 4-pounder brass swivel/cohorn on her capstan when she fought the privateer Decatur in 1813.
 
The Frigate Constitution mounted a seven-barreled swivel Chambers Gun on her capstan when she fought the Cyane and Levant in 1815, for defense against enemy boarders, in addition to additional Chambers guns in her tops.
 
The Privateer Fair American, of the Revolutionary War fame, mounted a large swivel on her capstan, according to the memoirs of one of her crewmen, (Jacob Nagel - who would later sail to Australia in the 'First Fleet) that was used to good effect in defeating an enemy's nighttime boat attack.

There was an account I read about a formal evening party thrown on the deck of the new frigate USS Potomac in 1828 while fitting out in Washington. They covered the spar deck with canvass and created a candelabra on the capstan by ringing it with muskets with bayonets fixed. There was a candle placed in each muzzle and this illuminated  the spar deck ...
 
 

The British Schooner of War Dominica mounted a 4-pounder brass swivel/cohorn on her capstan when she fought the privateer Decatur in 1813.
 
The Frigate Constitution mounted a seven-barreled swivel Chambers Gun on her capstan when she fought the Cyane and Levant in 1815, for defense against enemy boarders, in addition to additional Chambers guns in her tops.
 
The Privateer Fair American, of the Revolutionary War fame, mounted a large swivel on her capstan, according to the memoirs of one of her crewmen, (Jacob Nagel - who would later sail to Australia in the 'First Fleet) that was used to good effect in defeating an enemy's nighttime boat attack.

There was an account I read about a formal evening party thrown on the deck of the new frigate USS Potomac in 1828 while fitting out in Washington. They covered the spar deck with canvass and created a candelabra on the capstan by ringing it with muskets with bayonets fixed. There was a candle placed in each muzzle and this illuminated  the spar deck ...
 
 

There was an account I read about a formal evening party thrown on the deck of the new frigate USS Potomac in 1828 while fitting out in Washington. They covered the spar deck with canvass and created a candelabra on the capstan by ringing it with muskets with bayonets fixed. There was a candle placed in each muzzle and this illuminated  the spar deck ...