NAZGÛL Posted April 12, 2015 Share #1 Posted April 12, 2015 Hi everyone! I have an interest in King Karl IX, Gustav II Adolfs father. Before reaching the crown he was a duke and was successful in developing his duches and he created his own fleet. And when he later went to war with Sigismund his fleet became an important part. When he later became king his fleet became part of the swedish fleet. As many men of power at that time in history, Karls seems to have been quite cruel but he did manage to reach remarkable goals in his life and laid the base of what Gustav II Adolf managed to achieve later on. For a while I'v been wanting to make a model of one of Karls ships. When going through the ship lists available I decided to go for the small ship called Gripen (griffin). Gripen was Karls symbol and is to be seen on Vasa stern as well when two griffins puts the crown on Gustav II Adolfs head. Making a model of Gripen will mean a lot of guesses on my behalf as very little is known. I like to build by eye and even if I made some basic plans and drawings, I will try to relax and do what feels right as I move the build along. The design is inspired by the beautyful replica of Duyfken and by paintings by Vroom and other dutch artists. I would like to thank all who helped me with advices and opinions in this thread: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9996-ships-of-the-late-16th-century/ In that thread you can also follow the steps I did when designing the model. When I finished the Vasa build I had a pile of spareparts left. When looking at the parts I felt I'd like to try and reshape them into something else. I feel this gives me lots of freedom when building it as I can do whatever I feel like and that helps creativity. Worst thing that can happen is that I mess upp and then I can just through it in the bin. Step 1 was to design the model. As said that step is covered in the thread mentioned above. Step 2 was to decide what size it would be in. I printed the drawings in different sizes and then decided. The scale is close to 1:70. Step 3 was to make a more detailed plan just to get the basic set up of the frames and how to reshape them to the lines of my drawings. Step 4 Was to do the actual reshaping. First before assembly, then reshaping again. The supporting parts are ugly but I liked the idea to just use the left over parts after sawing the frames. Ugly but easy to do and they will be covered later on. I needed the supporting bits to be stronger compaired to say how BB designed theis Vasa kit, as I had to reshape them in place. Next step will be to make the stern, bow and decks. /Matti riverboat, hexnut, AnobiumPunctatum and 16 others 19 Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted April 12, 2015 Share #2 Posted April 12, 2015 This should be a fascinating build, Matti. I'm pulling up a chair to watch. NAZGÛL 1 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbshan Posted April 12, 2015 Share #3 Posted April 12, 2015 You've designed a pretty ship, Matti. I'll be checking in from time to time to see how she develops. NAZGÛL 1 Quote Joel Sanborn http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9953-lexington-by-jbshan-dlumberyard-164-from-the-seaways-practicum-by-clay-feldman/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nirvana Posted April 13, 2015 Share #4 Posted April 13, 2015 Aah, another Swedish ship. I won't pull up a chair, but the couch and pop corn NAZGÛL 1 Quote Please, visit our Facebook page! Respectfully Per aka Dr. Per@Therapy for Shipaholics Finished: T37, BB Marie Jeanne - located on a shelf in Sweden, 18th Century Longboat, Winchelsea Capstan Current: America by Constructo, Solö Ruff, USS Syren by MS, Bluenose by MS Viking funeral: Harley almost a Harvey Nautical Research Guild Member - 'Taint a hobby if you gotta hurry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallshiptragic Posted April 13, 2015 Share #5 Posted April 13, 2015 Brilliant matti, will definitely follow with keen interest. NAZGÛL 1 Quote Anton T Current build 1/78 Sovereign of the Seas - Sergal - kit bashed 1/72 Arleigh Burke class DDG flight iia/iii - Sratch built RC - no log Waiting for further inspiration STS Leeuwin II 1/56 scratch built (90% completed) Previous builds - completed 1/72 HMAS Brisbane, Airwarfare Destroyer 2014 -Scratch built RC - completed 1/64 HMS Diana 1796 - caldercraft kit - completed 1/75 Friesland 1668- mamoli kit - completed 1/96 HMAS Newcastle FFG 2011- scratch built RC - completed 1/75 Vasa - Billing Boats - completed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salty Sea Dog Posted April 13, 2015 Share #6 Posted April 13, 2015 Good luck Matti! NAZGÛL 1 Quote -Buck Current build: AL Morgan's Whaleboat (1st build) Kits in the ships locker: I cannot confirm nor deny that there may be a few kits in there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted April 13, 2015 Author Share #7 Posted April 13, 2015 Thanks alot for the kind words everyone! /Matti Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying_dutchman2 Posted April 13, 2015 Share #8 Posted April 13, 2015 I like your choice of ship and your design of the ship itself. Were your fore-fathers shipwrights by any chance? Will be following your built as it is part of my heritage, (Dutch). Marc NAZGÛL 1 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted April 14, 2015 Author Share #9 Posted April 14, 2015 Thanks Marc! No, but a couple of them where boatsmen. Dutch history is very interesting. /Matti Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riverboat Posted April 14, 2015 Share #10 Posted April 14, 2015 HI Matti... Nice to see you building again..... will be following along on this interesting build. Frank NAZGÛL 1 Quote completed build: Delta River Co. Riverboat HMAT SUPPLY USRC "ALERT" in progress: Red Dragon (Chinese junk) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted April 14, 2015 Share #11 Posted April 14, 2015 That is a promising start! Jan NAZGÛL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firdajan Posted April 14, 2015 Share #12 Posted April 14, 2015 (edited) Hi Matti, Good choice, nice design. As I can see, you used similar hull design as Vasa has. I love galleons, I´m sure it will be the perfect build - I will watch it with great interest. BTW, what is the scale of this model? The frame looks quite big. Jan Edited April 14, 2015 by firdajan NAZGÛL 1 Quote Finished: Ark Royal 1588 Mary Rose 1545 Arabian Dhow Revenge 1577 ( first attempt ) La Couronne 1636 Trinidad 1519 Revenge 1577 ( the second one ) Nina 1492 Pinta 1492 Santa Maria 1492 San Salvador 1543 Anna Maria 1694 Sao Gabriel 1497 On the table: Sovereign of the Seas 1636 - continuing after 12 years All of them are paper models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted April 15, 2015 Author Share #13 Posted April 15, 2015 Thanks for the kind comments guys, and thanks for the likes also! Jan, the scale is very close to 1/70. /Matti mtaylor 1 Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted April 20, 2015 Author Share #14 Posted April 20, 2015 (edited) Hey all! I've been trying to work out the lines. To be able to continue with the other decks, I needed to plank the first one. As I'm building it by eye, I need to see the other decks in place before preparing for a mast and gratings. A bit backward. Also started on the stern shape. /Matti Edited April 20, 2015 by NAZGÛL flying_dutchman2, Salty Sea Dog, WBlakeny and 9 others 12 Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trippwj Posted April 20, 2015 Share #15 Posted April 20, 2015 Looks good, Matti - I like the design you came up with. Mind if I lurk in the back here and enjoy the build? NAZGÛL 1 Quote WayneNeither should a ship rely on one small anchor, nor should life rest on a single hope.Epictetus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted April 20, 2015 Author Share #16 Posted April 20, 2015 Thanks! I'm happy you want to follow along. Lots of new stuff for me, so I can't promise I'll succeed. /Matti Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktiedens Posted April 20, 2015 Share #17 Posted April 20, 2015 Looks like a good start - you are braver than me to build this with no plans. /Mark NAZGÛL 1 Quote current build - HMS Vanguard - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted April 21, 2015 Author Share #18 Posted April 21, 2015 Thanks Mark! That's one of my reasons for using the spare parts and leftovers from the last build as much as possible. The freedom to try anything and just have fun. Getting the lines correct is my challenge right now. /Matti riverboat 1 Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salty Sea Dog Posted May 25, 2015 Share #19 Posted May 25, 2015 How are things shaping up? You had some tricky things to work out. NAZGÛL 1 Quote -Buck Current build: AL Morgan's Whaleboat (1st build) Kits in the ships locker: I cannot confirm nor deny that there may be a few kits in there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted June 8, 2015 Author Share #20 Posted June 8, 2015 Hey mate, sorry for missing your reply! Have a lot to do atm so the model is sitting on my shelf waiting for the next step. /Matti mtaylor and Canute 2 Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salty Sea Dog Posted June 9, 2015 Share #21 Posted June 9, 2015 I know what you mean. I'm in the same boat! flying_dutchman2, Canute and NAZGÛL 3 Quote -Buck Current build: AL Morgan's Whaleboat (1st build) Kits in the ships locker: I cannot confirm nor deny that there may be a few kits in there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying_dutchman2 Posted June 13, 2015 Share #22 Posted June 13, 2015 Matti; Looking very good. Especially because you do this from your own drawings. Different question. Were the Duyfken and the Eendracht the same type of ship? Thanks Marc Canute and NAZGÛL 2 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted June 13, 2015 Share #23 Posted June 13, 2015 (edited) Hi Marcus, Problem is, the 'ship-types' weren't that closely defined. Many of the "larger" ships of that period were classified as 'Jacht': the ships of Barentz were, as well as Duyfken. These ships were around 1600, a relatively small, presumably fast sailers. Half Moon also classifies in this group. I checked, and Eendracht (1615) is also referred to as a Jacht. Around 1610, also the name Pinas(se) was used for these ships. Thse PInas evolves into the larger 'spiegelretourschepen' of the VOC, as well as into the more purpose build Men of War of the Admiralities. With respect ot size: these ships were measued and classifed based on 'lasts' (a measure referring to both space (i.e. cubic something) as well as weight). There seems to be no clear one-to-one relation from 'last' to 'length'. The ships of Barenz were around 30 last, and did presumably measure aroudn 70 ft. (according to Hoving). The Eendracht was reported as 250 last, but the measuring system for men of war did not follow the same rules as for general purpose ships: there is no way you can recompute the size of Duyfken to that of Eendracht, using the size of both ships as measured in lasts.According to Wiki (...) the ship measured 103 feet, and had 30 guns. My amateurish guess would be that Eendracht would look far more like a ship like Batavia than Duyfken (no way you get 30 guns on a single-decked ship as Duyfken. (compare the pinas of Tasman as drawn by Hoving) Jan Edited June 13, 2015 by amateur mtaylor and flying_dutchman2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clipper Posted June 14, 2015 Share #24 Posted June 14, 2015 Hi Matti, nice to see you back at the slipway mate, ship is looking good Tony NAZGÛL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying_dutchman2 Posted June 15, 2015 Share #25 Posted June 15, 2015 My amateurish guess would be that Eendracht would look far more like a ship like Batavia than Duyfken (no way you get 30 guns on a single-decked ship as Duyfken. (compare the pinas of Tasman as drawn by Hoving) Jan Jan, Thank you very much for this information. I am immersing myself with the ships from that era. (I Google'd it and couldn't find anything. MSW is better than Google when it comes to ships. Marc Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted June 15, 2015 Share #26 Posted June 15, 2015 You know the site vocsite.nl? It is onlu in dutch, but informative for those who are able to read Dutch. Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted June 15, 2015 Share #27 Posted June 15, 2015 (edited) And www.dewillembarentsz.nl (also dutch only....) Edited June 15, 2015 by amateur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted June 15, 2015 Share #28 Posted June 15, 2015 Google Translate seems to work fairly well on these two links also. Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted June 26, 2015 Author Share #29 Posted June 26, 2015 Hey Law, glad to see you visit! I don't have time for this build at the moment, so she is sitting on my shelf. Still have a decire to build her so I'm sur eI'll get back to her later on. /Matti canoe21 1 Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted September 13, 2015 Author Share #30 Posted September 13, 2015 Hi Law, and thanks! We are working on our house, and have been all summer, so I had no time for modelbuilding. Hopefully I will get back on it later on. Cheers /Matti mtaylor 1 Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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