HMB Endeavour 1768 by Cabbie - Artesania Latina - 1:60 - Kit Fiddle

[Cabbie]

Good evening Pat
Thanks for looking in and the welcome. Its a bit hard keeping up with build logs lately,
there is too many going on.

I just try to do as many things as possible, I figure that there is no point in putting
something off until later. Might as well have a go, as things come up, even if they don't
finish up the best. There are too many different skills to learn. The Jarrah planking under the wales
is going to be hard work. It is quite hard and brittle and will need a lot of soaking to help it bend.

Yes the kauri is great stuff to use, straight even grain, bends well when wet.
I must go and see my machinist mate and get some more, before it goes.

Hi Don if your around, I have finally figured out what you were trying to tell me about the
planks at the bow. I was trying to taper one side when I should have been cutting an angle on the other side.
I think I have it worked out now, a bit more experimenting then I hope to be right to go.

There is a little bit more to do and in a day or 2 I should be starting with the Jarrah.

Cheers Chris

Edited January 11, 2016 by Cabbie

[donrobinson]

Hey Chris, yup I'm still around and watching. You are doing great and I'm enjoying following along. Looking forward to seeing the Jarrah, I have never heard of it before so I am a little curious to see it on your boat.

[Cabbie]

Good evening Don

It is good to see you are still following along.

In my my mind the Jarrah will look something like this

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/endeavourvoyages/9020700963/in/album-72157634081735926/

 

Except for the white caulking and that funny looking metal thing.

 

It is going to be very interesting to see how it looks when done.

 

Thanks Chris

Edited January 17, 2016 by Cabbie

[Cabbie]

About time for me a little update.

It has taken over a week to shape and glue 2 planks,

after making one pair and not using them. Then making another pair and gluing them on,

and later removing them, after the third try i think I am close

but it is important to start the right way .

And another, this is how far up they go.

Looks a bit rugged but it will clean up.

 

Now to work out how to plank the bow.

How much spiling?

If i follow on from this plank and do a little bit

of tapering and spiling I can fit in about 14 planks up the bow post

and do it similar to the replica.

Or i can do spile more, and fit more planks into the bow post.

 

One thing that I have been thinking about is,

how much spiling used to be done on ships?,

and how wide a plank would have been originally used to spile a plank?

 

To fit in more planks I would need to spile from a plank that would be 15 to 20mms

wide, or 900mm to 1200mm wide full size.

Would that have been done?

 

I am inclined to go with the first option and do it similar to the replica, which I like.

Now off to fit a few more garboard planks.

Cheers Chris

Edited January 17, 2016 by Cabbie

[Cabbie]

Hi Captain Slog that was quick, getting in while I was editing. Thanks for the likes. Chris

[Captain Slog]

Hi Chris,

 

Just catching up on some logs.

 

Your planking is coming along.  I hated doing the second layer on mine.

 

With regards to planks, can't really help on actual widths but I remember reading somewhere that they never cut them more than half the width. Includes deck planks also..but I may be wrong.

 

Cheers

Slog

[Cabbie]

Oh Dear and i know that plenty of other members have done this, but

it is going to be a lot of work, but good fun.

2nd planking is under way and I am getting a good idea of how it will go.

Probably about 270 little planks to be glued on.

 

So far up the bow they have been soaked for 3 days and then bent,

including a bit of side bending.

For the next few planks I will be spiling.

The planks at the stern should all run through with only a little bit of

soaking needed under the counter, though i might soak to get the twist needed.

Cheers Chris

Edited January 22, 2016 by Cabbie

[Captain Slog]

Hi Chris,

 

My experience with soaking is in minutes, not days.  This is for the walnut supplied with the Caldercraft Endeavour but the wood is really thin and I found using hot water and soaking for 10 to 15 minutes is long enough to penetrate such thin sections.

 

I either just lay them in the bath and weigh them down with shampoo bottles etc and run the hot water until the planks were covered.

 

With shorter sections I dropped them into a large coffee jar and filled it from the kettle.  After removing from the water I wiped the surface water off and then bent to shape.

 

With bending first use your fingers and thumb and gently bend them to see if any of the fibres start rising.  If they do flip the plank over and try bending again. You'll find one side the fibres rise and the other side the fibres stay down for a tight surface, use this face for out.  Depends on the grain with the way the planks were cut but I found 99% of the time it had a good side and a grain rising side.

 

Cheers

Slog

[DaveRow]

Good start on the 2nd layer planking Chris,

After I tapered and beveled the edges of a plank... oh memories....

 

I used steam after soaking for a lot of my 2nd layer planks. I held the plank in place while it cooled down, worked good enough for me.

 

 

Dave R

[BANYAN]

Good start mate - keep a good eye on the bow to ensure the planking runs are parallel/same heigh, it is surprising how easy this gets uneven when starting to spile etc.

 

cheers

 

Pat

[Cabbie]

Good Morning Slog, they probably didn't need days, but that is what they got because of my slow planking at the moment.

Though I had one plank that had been sitting in the jar for a day and when I cut the end off it was till dry inside it.

They are .8mm thick and letting them soak doesn't seem to be doing any harm.

I have been doing the bending, flexing thing mainly to break up the fibres a bit prior to pinning to

the hull for drying and it does help.

 

Hi Dave, how do you make your steam? It would seem that I would need to make continuous steam

for quite a while to get through these planks, and I haven't seen a way to do it.

 

Hello Pat, Yes I nearly gave myself a heart attack after I posted that photo, but that

is the result of a bit of dodgy boat building. The planks are the right height.

The ply has a bend in it going up the bow, (it appears I didn't block it right)

and there has been a bit of dodgy rebate forming. There are some lines on the first planking that

show the position of the bow post and that plank on the right goes too far in than what would be normal.

If you square across the bow to the line the planks are abut the same height.

 

Thanks for keeping an eye on it for me, I am largely planking the ship by measurement so I

am constantly checking measurements.

 

 

The photo shows the number of planks and their widths at each place.

This is all new to me so I am hoping that it will work all right.

 

Thanks gents for looking in and the likes.

Cheers Chris

Edited January 23, 2016 by Cabbie

[BANYAN]

You're progressing well Chris - how're the pool noodles working out for you

 

cheers

 

Pat

[Cabbie]

Hi Pat, the noodles are the greatest thing since "sliced bread"!.

I have cut a "V" notch one end to help hold the ship in place and i think that it needs to be done both ends.

One thing i keep meaning to do is to add a duct tape strap in the middle to keep the sides from spreading.

Today's first job, I will do it. Since I am on the sick list, I will have to stay inside, stay quiet, and do ship modelling.

Anyway, make sense to me

Cheers Chris

[Cabbie]

Little update, first pair of spiled planks made. Cut with small snips, sharp knife and file.

Wasn't as hard as i thought it might be.

Note to self,

"Have a go first before worrying about something"

They were softened in hot water for an hour and then glued to ship.

 

Now off to do more

Hooroo Chris

Edited January 24, 2016 by Cabbie

[Seventynet]

Hi Chris, you are doing an excellent job planking. Nice tight fit! I especially like the pattern of the wales.

 

Best, Ian

 

 

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[Cabbie]

Hi Ian

Thanks for the complimentary comments.

Yes it is a constant job, keeping planks tight, keeping them in line, straight.

Finishing at the right spot, I need to be watching all the time.

The wales were as the replica which I have been copying.

Plenty of things to have a go at and improve the skills.

Thanks Chris

[Cabbie]

Good evening all, Time for a little update.

Nothing new, just more planking.

 

Edited January 30, 2016 by Cabbie

[DaveRow]

Going well mate.

Gets more interesting the further the planks go up.

 

 

Dave R

[hof00]

That's looking pretty damn good Chap!!

[Cabbie]

Hi Dave and Slog

I think that it is interesting enough now.

i have been looking at the further up planks for a while today.

Trying to work out where planks are dropped and checking

measurements to keep space remaining even.

And once again I changed things a bit.

I am dropping 3 planks under the wales at the stern,

and the bow will look pretty close to the replica.( I think)

Every plank from now on needs to be narrowed a little bit

and a lot tapered as well.

Cheers Chris

[Captain Slog]

Hi Chris,

 

Your planking is looking really good.  

 

I started my planking from the line of the mid-deck working down to keep the sweep of planks down to and past the wales, but must confess once I got to the 'White Stuff' area I had lost all my planking enthusiasm as it wasn't going to plan.  

 

By the time I got to the area you are on they were embarrassing and luckily the white stuff covers a multitude of sins and a planned low profile stand should keep my secret safe.     

 

Cheers

Slog

[Cabbie]

Good Morning Paul

This is my second ship, I built a Swift 1805 before this. I have

some pics, in my new to modelling post.

I have been a cabinetmaker all my working life, so a

lot of these things to do with modelling, aren't new to me, just a bit different,

which certainly helps.

 

Hi Slog

I have spent hours looking at photos of the replica which I am copying.

Looking at this album has helped.

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/endeavourvoyages/albums/72157634081735926/with/9020700963/

 

That is a BIG help, to have a plan to work to.

My planks started at 4.5mm wide, but I cut them back to 4mm and that

helped them lay out a lot better.

 

I am planning on not doing any painting, but, there might be some black paint

used, maybe will look at it later.

Thanks for looking in. Chris

Edited January 30, 2016 by Cabbie

[dashi]

Chris she's looking good. Here's a link to some photos of the replica build if you haven't already found them. I used the one of the bow below the wale as a guide.

http://www.seacoastnh.com/endeavour/

[Cabbie]

A little Sunday morning update

More planking has been done and, Yeehah, I am past half way and in the home straight.

Have marked planks for dropped planks ect, and doesn't look too bad.

I have decide to move it all towards the bow a bit to tighten it up, and to

fit it in a bit better I hope.

 

Also I have made 2 of the next planks and pinned in place to a have look

 

 

I have used a pencil to simulate caulking, I wanted to have a planked look.

And its come up as I had hoped. A proper sand and varnish will help.

Hooroo Chris

Edited February 6, 2016 by Cabbie

[Seventynet]

That's one fine planking job Chris. It looks like you even added the drop planks in the same place as the replica. Tell me did you end up doing any spiling or much edge bending? I know we had a discussion on that earlier. Either way you sure mated everything up well. I was going to ask how you joined your noodles but noticed you already answered that in response to someone else asking the same question.

Best, Ian

[dashi]

Impressive work.

[Cabbie]

Hi All, thanks for the like and looks.

 

Hi Ian, as i proved in the spiling topic I don't know anything better about planking,

so i am copying the replica. A ready made planking plan.

 

The planks have virtually laid themselves out. The hardest part was working out how many planks.

I couldn't find a picture to count the no of planks with, I started with 4.5mm wide planks, but narrowed them

down to 4mm. So that gave me 28 planks between the keel and wales, and they do seem to fit in, that width.

 

Coming up from the keel planks 5, 6, and 7 are spiled which was ok to do, but I didn't like the cross grain,

so I went back to edge bending. They are probably bent a bit more than what would be normally accepted.

But they were soaked for a day or more and pinned flat and left to dry before final fitting and gluing.

 

 One thing that I am wondering about now, is whether I have moved the dropped planks too far forward

which is making the quite narrow. The cut out part of those planks is only 2mm wide, but to me, it looks as

though that's how it should be. The top planks under the wales needs to move further forward, and

this will allow that to happen.

 

Yes the noodle are brilliant, one thing that i have found them good for, is that I can sit a plank on it

edge up and file the edge. The noodle will hold the plank firm enough, and I don't have to put it back in the vice.

 

Hooroo Chris

Edited February 7, 2016 by Cabbie

[Seventynet]

Well if you kept the narrowest planks at 2 mm that means you stayed within the no less that one half the normal plank width rule. Your ship's planking will be very happy and mar-free to be sitting on that foam.

Edited February 7, 2016 by Seventynet

[BANYAN]

That planking is looking really good Chris; progressing very nicely.

 

cheers

 

Pat

[hof00]

Hi Chap,

Been doing this "Ship Modelling" thing for a few years now but I am taking pleasure/inspiration/reference from your Posts.

 

I have now started Planking from the Garboard downwards, interesting....

(As I have said before, my first "Bluff" Bowed Ship. Always a first!!)

 

Thanks Chap, keep up the good work!!

 

Cheers....HOF.