Elijah Posted May 7, 2016 Author Share #211 Posted May 7, 2016 Ahh, I will have a look. Maybe I will be able to get it on Sunday, but that is Mother's Day, so maybe not. Canute, Gerhardvienna, EJ_L and 2 others 5 Quote -Elijah Current build(s): Continental Gunboat Philadelphia by Model Shipways https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/15753-continental-gunboat-philadelphia-by-elijah-model-shipways-124-scale/ Completed build(s): Model Shipways Phantom http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?showtopic=12376 Member of: The Nautical Research Guild N.R.M.S.S. (Nautical Research and Model Ship Society) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikiek Posted May 8, 2016 Share #212 Posted May 8, 2016 Get the smallest can you can find. It doesn't take much. Were you planning on staining or painting? I ask because if you are painting you may not need the sealer. You will want primer. But then you've got the decision of what type of paint? Some primers do better with certain types of paint. Also primer comes in several colors. You'll want a white primer for lite colors, gray for medium or dark colors. The primer will seal the wood. Several coats, sanding in between. Canute and Elijah 2 Quote Sail on...... Mike "Dropped a part? Your shoe will always find it before your eyes do" Current Builds: Completed Builds: Lancia Armata 1803 - Panart US Brig Niagara - Model Shipways ; Section Deck Between Gun Bays - Panart ; Arrow American Gunboat - Amati Riva Aquarama - Amati T24 RC Tugboat ; Hispaniola - Megow - Restoration ; Trajta - by Mikiek - Marisstella ; Enterprise 1799 - Constructo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elijah Posted May 9, 2016 Author Share #213 Posted May 9, 2016 Aaaaaaannnnnd, Tada! I did it! Finally! That took a while! Wow, that's probably the largest single step in the build so far! I accidently made the area to support the keel and sternpost a but too thin, but I will fix that after I fit the keel on. That way it will be flush with the hull. I have a little more sanding to do on the stem post before it is done. After the keel installation is deck carving, as well as the indent in the bulwarks. Then probably scupper carving, bowsprit slot, and hull planking! I have a lot to do! Before anything else, bedtime! Until next time! JLuebbert, Omega1234, GuntherMT and 17 others 20 Quote -Elijah Current build(s): Continental Gunboat Philadelphia by Model Shipways https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/15753-continental-gunboat-philadelphia-by-elijah-model-shipways-124-scale/ Completed build(s): Model Shipways Phantom http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?showtopic=12376 Member of: The Nautical Research Guild N.R.M.S.S. (Nautical Research and Model Ship Society) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuntherMT Posted May 9, 2016 Share #214 Posted May 9, 2016 Good looking hull. I've never done a solid hull, but they look harder to me than a PoB build. Nice job. Canute, Elijah and EJ_L 3 Quote Brian Mystery project coming soon! Current build - Medway Longboat Complete - Armed Virginia Sloop Complete - Carmen (First Build) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mahuna Posted May 9, 2016 Share #215 Posted May 9, 2016 Nice looking progress, Elijah. Congrats on reaching this milestone! EJ_L, Elijah and Canute 3 Quote Frank Completed: Skipjack Kathryn; Dunbrody Sectional Model; Paragon (modified Mayflower) Scratch Build; Planning a Sectional Model of Dunbrody NRG Member Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobra1951 Posted May 9, 2016 Share #216 Posted May 9, 2016 Nice lines on the hull Elijah I always thought if you bought a solid hull kit that the hull would be ready to build on, but not in this case it seems. Good job with all that sanding Canute, Elijah and EJ_L 3 Quote Bob Current Build HMB Endeavour - Occre 1:54 Completed Builds Section Deck Between Gun Bays - Panart 1:23 scale....x 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_SalD_ Posted May 9, 2016 Share #217 Posted May 9, 2016 Great job Elijah the hull looks terrific. Elijah and Canute 2 Quote Sal Nautical Research Guild Current USCG Harriet Lane - Model Shipways Complete U.S. Brig Syren - Model Shipways New York Pilot Boat 'Phantom' 1868 - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canute Posted May 9, 2016 Share #218 Posted May 9, 2016 Nice work on your hull, Elijah! Very smooth looking. Elijah 1 Quote Ken Started: MS Bounty Longboat, On Hold: Heinkel USS Choctaw paper Down the road: Shipyard HMC Alert 1/96 paper, Mamoli Constitution Cross, MS USN Picket Boat #1 Scratchbuild: Echo Cross Section Member Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EJ_L Posted May 9, 2016 Share #219 Posted May 9, 2016 That hull does look great! All that sanding will pay off for you when you start planking. Elijah and Canute 2 Quote "A Smooth Sea NEVER made a Skilled Sailor" - John George Hermanson -E.J. Current Builds - Royal Louis - Mamoli Royal Caroline - Panart Completed - Wood - Le Soleil Royal - Sergal - Build Log & Gallery La Couronne - Corel - Build Log & Gallery Rattlesnake - Model Shipways, HMS Bounty - Constructo Plastic - USS Constitution - Revel (twice), Cutty Sark. Unfinished - Plastic - HMS Victory - Heller, Sea Witch. Member : Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elijah Posted May 9, 2016 Author Share #220 Posted May 9, 2016 Thanks for the comments guys! I was wondering, since I'm planking the hull, will the rudder need to be a little wider? I'm thinking I will try to build it the same way I have been making the stem post. I noticed that the grating in the kit is way to large, and the one shown in the plans is almost impossibly small, so I think I will try to 3D print it. Anyway, you can probably tell that a lot is going through my head ! EJ_L, Canute and _SalD_ 3 Quote -Elijah Current build(s): Continental Gunboat Philadelphia by Model Shipways https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/15753-continental-gunboat-philadelphia-by-elijah-model-shipways-124-scale/ Completed build(s): Model Shipways Phantom http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?showtopic=12376 Member of: The Nautical Research Guild N.R.M.S.S. (Nautical Research and Model Ship Society) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alde Posted May 9, 2016 Share #221 Posted May 9, 2016 Elijah, Your hull sure has a nice shape to it. You did a great job fairing it in. It takes a lot of patience but it looks like you have it. Canute and Elijah 2 Quote The heart is happiest when the head and the hands work together. Al Current Builds: HMS Halifax 1/48 POF Lumberyard Kit Model Shipways Glad Tidings Acoustic Guitar Build FINISHED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EJ_L Posted May 9, 2016 Share #222 Posted May 9, 2016 Is your rudder planked already or is it just the wood cut out? I have always had to plank over the blank rudder that is supplied with the kit and doing so has kept it the same width as the stern post after it is planked. Elijah and Canute 2 Quote "A Smooth Sea NEVER made a Skilled Sailor" - John George Hermanson -E.J. Current Builds - Royal Louis - Mamoli Royal Caroline - Panart Completed - Wood - Le Soleil Royal - Sergal - Build Log & Gallery La Couronne - Corel - Build Log & Gallery Rattlesnake - Model Shipways, HMS Bounty - Constructo Plastic - USS Constitution - Revel (twice), Cutty Sark. Unfinished - Plastic - HMS Victory - Heller, Sea Witch. Member : Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elijah Posted May 9, 2016 Author Share #223 Posted May 9, 2016 I haven't made it yet, and there is no laser cut cutout. You have to make it yourself. Does the sternpost get planked over? Canute and cobra1951 2 Quote -Elijah Current build(s): Continental Gunboat Philadelphia by Model Shipways https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/15753-continental-gunboat-philadelphia-by-elijah-model-shipways-124-scale/ Completed build(s): Model Shipways Phantom http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?showtopic=12376 Member of: The Nautical Research Guild N.R.M.S.S. (Nautical Research and Model Ship Society) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EJ_L Posted May 9, 2016 Share #224 Posted May 9, 2016 I guess it would depend on the material it is made out of. Also when I say plank, it was more of a veneer covering. I used wide strips of the same mahogany that I planked my hull with to cover the stern post so that it looks like it is one large piece of the same wood as the hull. Otherwise I would have had an ugly strip of the supplied ply wood showing. In your case since you get to make it from scratch you can build the whole thing out of whatever material you wish. I believe that most rudders are the same thickness to just slightly smaller than then the stern post. They also tend to taper to a narrower edge than what is at the hinge pins. Hopefully someone can confirm this or correct me if I am wrong. Elijah, Canute, cobra1951 and 1 other 4 Quote "A Smooth Sea NEVER made a Skilled Sailor" - John George Hermanson -E.J. Current Builds - Royal Louis - Mamoli Royal Caroline - Panart Completed - Wood - Le Soleil Royal - Sergal - Build Log & Gallery La Couronne - Corel - Build Log & Gallery Rattlesnake - Model Shipways, HMS Bounty - Constructo Plastic - USS Constitution - Revel (twice), Cutty Sark. Unfinished - Plastic - HMS Victory - Heller, Sea Witch. Member : Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elijah Posted May 9, 2016 Author Share #225 Posted May 9, 2016 I will be planking the hull with cherry veneer, but it will be painted and coppered. cobra1951 and Canute 2 Quote -Elijah Current build(s): Continental Gunboat Philadelphia by Model Shipways https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/15753-continental-gunboat-philadelphia-by-elijah-model-shipways-124-scale/ Completed build(s): Model Shipways Phantom http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?showtopic=12376 Member of: The Nautical Research Guild N.R.M.S.S. (Nautical Research and Model Ship Society) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjay Posted May 9, 2016 Share #226 Posted May 9, 2016 Looking really good... looks like the wind is at your back. Elijah and Canute 2 Quote Mark Phoenix, AZ Current builds; Previous builds, in rough order of execution; Shipjack, Peterbrough Canoe, Flying Fish, Half Moon, Britannia racing sloop, Whale boat, Bluenose, Picket boat, Viking longboat, Atlantic, Fair American, Mary Taylor, half hull Enterprise, Hacchoro, HMS Fly, Khufu Solar Boat. On the shelf; Royal Barge, Jefferson Davis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EJ_L Posted May 9, 2016 Share #227 Posted May 9, 2016 I did a little searching real quick to familiarize myself more with your ship. From what I have been able to gather and since you are planning to copper the hull, it looks like the rudder should be close to the same thickness as your stern post. This would include the copper plating which appears to cover the rudder as well. Elijah, cobra1951 and Canute 3 Quote "A Smooth Sea NEVER made a Skilled Sailor" - John George Hermanson -E.J. Current Builds - Royal Louis - Mamoli Royal Caroline - Panart Completed - Wood - Le Soleil Royal - Sergal - Build Log & Gallery La Couronne - Corel - Build Log & Gallery Rattlesnake - Model Shipways, HMS Bounty - Constructo Plastic - USS Constitution - Revel (twice), Cutty Sark. Unfinished - Plastic - HMS Victory - Heller, Sea Witch. Member : Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elijah Posted May 9, 2016 Author Share #228 Posted May 9, 2016 Thanks! Canute, EJ_L and cobra1951 3 Quote -Elijah Current build(s): Continental Gunboat Philadelphia by Model Shipways https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/15753-continental-gunboat-philadelphia-by-elijah-model-shipways-124-scale/ Completed build(s): Model Shipways Phantom http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?showtopic=12376 Member of: The Nautical Research Guild N.R.M.S.S. (Nautical Research and Model Ship Society) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elijah Posted May 10, 2016 Author Share #229 Posted May 10, 2016 I finished the stempost! Now to the keel and sternpost! Until next time! Sometime soon hopefully! Altduck, zoly99sask, mrshanks and 15 others 18 Quote -Elijah Current build(s): Continental Gunboat Philadelphia by Model Shipways https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/15753-continental-gunboat-philadelphia-by-elijah-model-shipways-124-scale/ Completed build(s): Model Shipways Phantom http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?showtopic=12376 Member of: The Nautical Research Guild N.R.M.S.S. (Nautical Research and Model Ship Society) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alde Posted May 10, 2016 Share #230 Posted May 10, 2016 Looking good. Canute, mrshanks and Elijah 3 Quote The heart is happiest when the head and the hands work together. Al Current Builds: HMS Halifax 1/48 POF Lumberyard Kit Model Shipways Glad Tidings Acoustic Guitar Build FINISHED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trippwj Posted May 10, 2016 Share #231 Posted May 10, 2016 Nice work, Elijah. To respond to your interrogatories, the stern post and rudder would not be planked. The stern post serves to relieve the ends of the planking (see rabbett), but the copper plating would continue around the post and the rudder would also get coppered . Canute, EJ_L and Elijah 3 Quote WayneNeither should a ship rely on one small anchor, nor should life rest on a single hope.Epictetus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robnbill Posted May 10, 2016 Share #232 Posted May 10, 2016 Elijah, she is looking great. You did a fantastic job on getting the hull nice and smooth. Planking can be a lot of fun once you get your head around how it works. There are a number of great books as well as short papers on this and other sites on exactly how to do it. Just like when you started faring the solid hull, there are unique challenges/skills to learn in this step, as there will be on every step of the ship. Keep up the great work. Elijah, mrshanks, trippwj and 2 others 5 Quote Bill Chantilly, VA Its not the size of the ship, but the bore of the cannon! Current Build: Scratch Build Brig Eagle Completed Build Log: USS Constitution - Mamoli Completed Build Gallery: USS Constitution - Mamoli Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocBlake Posted May 10, 2016 Share #233 Posted May 10, 2016 Your hull turned out beautifully. I attempted a solid hull kit (Newsboy) many years ago, but never got beyond completing the hull because fairing to the proper profile was so difficult. You have learned very quickly and your work is first-rate. You've got a bright future in our hobby. Keep it up! Elijah, EJ_L, trippwj and 2 others 5 Quote Dave Click on images in posts to view them in full resolution! Click on the builds below and link to the log. Current Builds: -Gaff-Rigged Sloop, 1/4 Scale (3" = 1') -Chapman Water Hoy 1768 by DocBlake - Scratch Build - 1:48 scale -Hannah - 1:32 scale, Scratch-Built Plank-on-Frame Admiralty style -Generic Sharpie by DocBlake. 3/4" = 1' scale. NRG plans. -Fair American 1780 by DocBlake - Lauck Street Shipyard - 1/48 scale - POF -Independence 1775 by DocBlake - Artesania Latina - 5/16" scale -HMS Triton Cross Section by DocBlake - 1/24 scale Completed Builds: -Bomb Vessel Granado 1742 Cross Section - 1:32 Scale Scratch Build -British Capstan circa 1777 by DocBlake - FINISHED - 1:16 Scale -HMS Blandford - Cross Section - Scratch Build -1/32 Scale -17th Century Battle Station by DocBlake - HMS Mordaunt - 1:32 -17th Century Naval Cannon - 1:12 Scale -Royal Navy Ship of the Line Cross Section by DocBlake - (Mamoli's "Constitution") - 1:93 scale -Armed Virginia Sloop 1768, 1/48 scale. -Virginia Pilot Boat "Swift", 1805, 1/50 scale -18th Century Naval Battle Station, 1/24 scale -Armed Virginia Sloop 1768 "Patrick Henry", 1/32 scale, Lauck Street Shipyard, POF, Admiralty Style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elijah Posted May 10, 2016 Author Share #234 Posted May 10, 2016 Thanks everybody for the compliments and answers! I will be attempting to finish and install the keel tonight. It getting done depends on how much time I can scavenge. I will have pictures when it is done/glueing! mrshanks, cobra1951 and Canute 3 Quote -Elijah Current build(s): Continental Gunboat Philadelphia by Model Shipways https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/15753-continental-gunboat-philadelphia-by-elijah-model-shipways-124-scale/ Completed build(s): Model Shipways Phantom http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?showtopic=12376 Member of: The Nautical Research Guild N.R.M.S.S. (Nautical Research and Model Ship Society) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elijah Posted May 11, 2016 Author Share #235 Posted May 11, 2016 The keel and sternpost are being installed. The sternpost was already installed, but the keel is glueing. The last thing to glue is the stempost. Maybe I will be able to glue it Wednesday. I guess it is time to start the rudder, deck carving, bulwark thinning, and planking! Until next time! GuntherMT, Sjors, Seventynet and 23 others 26 Quote -Elijah Current build(s): Continental Gunboat Philadelphia by Model Shipways https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/15753-continental-gunboat-philadelphia-by-elijah-model-shipways-124-scale/ Completed build(s): Model Shipways Phantom http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?showtopic=12376 Member of: The Nautical Research Guild N.R.M.S.S. (Nautical Research and Model Ship Society) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEPering Posted May 11, 2016 Share #236 Posted May 11, 2016 You are doing a fine and admirable job, Elijah... Keep up the great work! Matt Seventynet, mrshanks, Elijah and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerhardvienna Posted May 11, 2016 Share #237 Posted May 11, 2016 Hi Elijah Good work! A little more of filling and sanding work, and the hull will be perfect! Fine done Regards Gerhard mrshanks, Elijah and Canute 3 Quote Problems just mean: solutions not yet found Models in progress SMS DANZIG http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/12842-sms-danzig-1851-by-gerhardvienna-radio-150-scale/ USS CAIRO http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13282-uss-cairo-by-gerhardvienna-live-steam-radio/ Baby Bootlegger 1/10 http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13625-baby-bootlegger-110-radio-by-gerhardvienna/ Swiss paddlesteamer RIGI 1848 1:50, after plans from the Verkehrshaus Zürich, rescaled to original length Anchor tugboat BISON, 1:50, plans from VTH, scratch Finished models See-Ewer ELBE, Constructo kit 1:48 German fastboat after plans from german Reichskriegsmarine measure unknown (too ugly to show up!) German traffic boat for battleships WW2, 1:50, after plans from Jürgen Eichardt, scratch German Schnellboot TIGER P6141 VTH plans, scratch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EJ_L Posted May 11, 2016 Share #238 Posted May 11, 2016 Looking great! I'm sure it feels good to finally start putting pieces on her and not just sanding. mrshanks, Gerhardvienna, Elijah and 1 other 4 Quote "A Smooth Sea NEVER made a Skilled Sailor" - John George Hermanson -E.J. Current Builds - Royal Louis - Mamoli Royal Caroline - Panart Completed - Wood - Le Soleil Royal - Sergal - Build Log & Gallery La Couronne - Corel - Build Log & Gallery Rattlesnake - Model Shipways, HMS Bounty - Constructo Plastic - USS Constitution - Revel (twice), Cutty Sark. Unfinished - Plastic - HMS Victory - Heller, Sea Witch. Member : Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocBlake Posted May 11, 2016 Share #239 Posted May 11, 2016 She's looking like a proper ship now. Good job! EJ_L, mrshanks, Elijah and 2 others 5 Quote Dave Click on images in posts to view them in full resolution! Click on the builds below and link to the log. Current Builds: -Gaff-Rigged Sloop, 1/4 Scale (3" = 1') -Chapman Water Hoy 1768 by DocBlake - Scratch Build - 1:48 scale -Hannah - 1:32 scale, Scratch-Built Plank-on-Frame Admiralty style -Generic Sharpie by DocBlake. 3/4" = 1' scale. NRG plans. -Fair American 1780 by DocBlake - Lauck Street Shipyard - 1/48 scale - POF -Independence 1775 by DocBlake - Artesania Latina - 5/16" scale -HMS Triton Cross Section by DocBlake - 1/24 scale Completed Builds: -Bomb Vessel Granado 1742 Cross Section - 1:32 Scale Scratch Build -British Capstan circa 1777 by DocBlake - FINISHED - 1:16 Scale -HMS Blandford - Cross Section - Scratch Build -1/32 Scale -17th Century Battle Station by DocBlake - HMS Mordaunt - 1:32 -17th Century Naval Cannon - 1:12 Scale -Royal Navy Ship of the Line Cross Section by DocBlake - (Mamoli's "Constitution") - 1:93 scale -Armed Virginia Sloop 1768, 1/48 scale. -Virginia Pilot Boat "Swift", 1805, 1/50 scale -18th Century Naval Battle Station, 1/24 scale -Armed Virginia Sloop 1768 "Patrick Henry", 1/32 scale, Lauck Street Shipyard, POF, Admiralty Style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrshanks Posted May 11, 2016 Share #240 Posted May 11, 2016 You did a great job shaping the solid hull. Keep going!!! Quote Mike Shanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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