HMS Victory by michael101 - Caldercraft - Scale 1:72

[michael101]

Hello everyone
With God's help I started building the HMS Victory last week

And I told myself that I must to make a build log this time

I appreciate any comments and tips...thanks.

Michael.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[michael101]

[michael101]

hello again

very important :

i got a little issue and it will be good to post that issues here : 

if im understanding good the plans , the middle gun deck need to be perfectly straight 145 mm high from the keelson (including the keelson)

 the problem with bulkhead 13 that is flash with the keelson line like he need to be in the plans …

 but the deck line is 1 mm above the 145mm line of the middle gun deck… 

so im not sure if the problem is in the bulkhead 13 and i need to sand 1 mm from the slot and also from under the bulkhead ,

 or the problem is in the plans .. and from bulkhead 13 the middle gun deck need to start going up .. 

please need your help with that issue 

also i compre bulkhead 12 with bulkhead 13 i put them flash in the deck line and bulkhead 13 its higher than bulkhead i mean from the deck line to the bottom of the bulkhead

here is some pictures 

[michael101]

The answer for that is :

i have called caldercraft today and send them the pictures 

i have talk with the guy how design that ship and he told me the middle gun deck mast be 145 ! 

so the problem is the bulkhead and just need to sand the slot and also the bottom of that bulkhead

and i asked hem if need to sand all the down part of that bulkhead or only the corners

the answer is : only the corners of the bottom and he told me dont worry you will need to take a lot from that bulkhead doing the fairing  

also i have ask:

when i check the plans there is something wrong with the top of all bulkheads 

take a look at this pictures 

from the middle gun deck to the second deck its like in the plans but the third deck and the fourth deck is not suitable with the plans 

 

 

and he told me:

the drawing and bulkhead are both correct. The drawing is a cross section through the centreline of the ship and therefore shows the midline of the deck; due to the deck camber this point is higher than the reference point you are using on the bulkhead shown in your picture (the middle deck has no camber which is why it appears to align correctly)

 

hope its will help someone 

Best regards ,

Michael.

[pompey2]

Hi Michael

It's nice to see you are making the Caldercraft Victory, I hope you enjoy it.

I will be following along on your journey.

 

Nick

[michael101]

Thank you Nick

[paul carruthers]

1 hour ago, michael101 said:

The answer for that is :

i have called caldercraft today and send them the pictures 

i have talk with the guy how design that ship and he told me the middle gun deck mast be 145 ! 

so the problem is the bulkhead and just need to sand the slot and also the bottom of that bulkhead

and i asked hem if need to sand all the down part of that bulkhead or only the corners

the answer is : only the corners of the bottom and he told me dont worry you will need to take a lot from that bulkhead doing the fairing  

also i have ask:

when i check the plans there is something wrong with the top of all bulkheads 

take a look at this pictures 

from the middle gun deck to the second deck its like in the plans but the third deck and the fourth deck is not suitable with the plans 

 

 

and he told me:

the drawing and bulkhead are both correct. The drawing is a cross section through the centreline of the ship and therefore shows the midline of the deck; due to the deck camber this point is higher than the reference point you are using on the bulkhead shown in your picture (the middle deck has no camber which is why it appears to align correctly)

 

hope its will help someone 

Best regards ,

Michael.

Not every bulkhead will go to the bottom of the false keel, perhaps it only goes to the level of the shown beard line, try matching that and see if it corrects the height 

[michael101]

Hello Paul ,

thank you! , and that its true  not all the bulkhead going until the end of the keel ..

 

But On the secund question i was asking about the distance between the Decks 

take a look at the distance between the decks from the firs deck to the second deck is perfect, but from the secund to the third and also the third to the fourh is not the same as the plans ... 

any way like the disiner say above there is no problem ... you cant take the plan as a guide because the drawing showing cross section  

[Shipyard sid]

 Hello michael

                 Always nice to see another jotika build starting. Just enjoy it but take your time.  Here's a bit of advice, prob the road you know, but maybe not. Before you start fitting any bulkheads  sand down the bearding  line on the keel while you can, lay it flat.  ( See page 3  of your manual, ...before planking the hull... ).   Maybe fit supports in the keel for mounting pillars while you can. See my Diana log. As I said prob the road you know.    Regards DAVID

               

[michael101]

Thank you David

i did the sanding in the firs stage 

by the way before sanding i made an external support for the corner of the keel 

in the manual they say that the secunde keelson will be install after doing the second plank ... 

its mean that aria of sanding will be without support because the L supports that i made on the construction board not going to support that aria 

they will touch the keel above the sanding aria , and the corner of the keel can get curve until you will finish plank the first plank

so first of all i cute some plywood same thick as the keel and same hight as the first keelson (11mm)

and drilled exactly in the middel of that plywood to the bottom of the keel then i connect the external plywood by brass pin 

and now the L support are holding the sanding aria exactly in the middle of the L supports

here some pictures :

and for the pillars for sure i will follow your advice ! 

Regards ,

Michael.

 

[michael101]

a little update

today i glued the bulkheads in positions 

 i had to fix bulkhead no. 13 , and to put all of the bulkhead in position 

my advice : never trust the laser cut !!! check in the plans what is the highest of the water line or in our case the middle gun deck..

and hold the keel in 90 degrees to some board , and start measuring every bulkhead than double check all the walls/decks act.

For more accuracy i cut 2 pieces of 11 mm (the same size as the keelson that installed in the front ) and i have put on that to pieces of plywood and did the same thing in the bow i have put 2 pieces of plywood but without the extra pieces of the 11mm becouse there is a keelson , than i had enough space to put the 90 degrees ruler to check the bulkheads 

and because of that model its huge, i had to put all the bulkheads in the right place then i glue them from out side by timbers 

the deck is in , but without glue (not had time to glue that today )

my next stage before putting the patterns of the gun ports its to make it ready for fairing the hull proses 

by putting columns between the bulkheads i think to use 17mm plywood (that what i have in stock lol) but becoase the bulkheads are very big

i will make the wide of the columns 5cm wide by 17mm and to glue them in a diagonal position .. but will see  

 

Cheers 

Michael.

 

[michael101]

Hello friends

i asked before in other post about the middle gun deck plank .. and i got some answers ,

but i just find in the constructions manuals the exact length and the distance between the beginning of plank one to the beginning of plank 2 I'm talking about four butt shift system

my question is if the middle gun deck has the same length ..?

here is the text from the manual about the upper gun deck :

Note: If you wish to accurately represent the plank length and four butt shift system used on Victory, each plank should be either cut to a length of 85mm (approximately 20ft) or the planks can be laid full length and scored with a craft knife every 85mm, this latter method often looks the most convincing at this scale. The four butt shift system simply implies that the end of each neighbouring plank is offset by 1/5 of twice the length of the planks (34mm) such that the end of every fifth plank athwartships only is aligned (i.e. separated by a four plank shift). 

[Rich.F]

HI Michael,

 

Glad you sorted the first problem out with the cross section..

 

With out looking over my build log, I thing I did a 4 plank shift on the lower deck, To  be honest,, you are going to see almost next to nothing once the upper deck is fitted. I like most people did the planking made cannons and rigged . as I personally Knew I wanted to have it 100% built. but few only rigged etc what will be seen.. that is your sole choice .( i'm glad i did mine)

 

With the **** system on the lower deck and uppers deck, I found the centre line and worked out both way from there.. TBH  I wish I started hard to one side and just worked out might have been easier.

Look forward to your progress.

 

 

 

[Shipyard sid]

Hello michael

                      As I said I planked both decks with four butt shift, but Rich is correct, very little is seen of the deck. I dont know what you mean about the 5 mm ply on the canons and curve.  DAVID

[michael101]

Hello Reach 

good to see you in my build log

thank you for your comment

and yes i will do that 4 plank shift on the lower deck , My observation about our hobby its to take the time and to work slowly and do my best on any stage ,

to be honest if i wanted to have that ship at home i could fined it on eBay ready to put it in the show box  but for me to have that ship in the show box its only a bonus 

and for sure you agree with me, my proof is your build log and you doing a best job ! 

 

 

[michael101]

Thank you David for the comment 

i asked you on the p.m about the dummy barrel strip (that has a 5mm thick )

how did you bend them ?

I was thinking of putting them in water but not sure if its a good idea because they will be fatter after that proses ..

and I'm not sure if they will go in the bulkheads holes nicely and smooth ...

so what did you do?

[Shipyard sid]

Hello michael

                       I thought you had passed that stage. Others may give you advice on this, and maybe better advice, which will prob include soaking. What I did was give the strips a good sanding. and  added a slight taper at the front of the strip for approx 2" for a lead in, and tapped it through the slots, with no problems, but that was only me. Regards DAVID

[michael101]

Thank you David  

[michael101]

Hello friends

tomorrow i wont to work on the bow stage but i saw the the line of the second bulkhead that is going up of the keelson line also something looks a bit weird  with the line of the 

bow forward supports (40 – 42) here is a picture that i took ( dry fit )

please advice

btw the second bulkhead are good fit ! The middle gun deck is 45mm from the bottom as the plans !

 

best regards ,

Michael.

 

[Shipyard sid]

Hello michael

                   Here's a photo to help you with fairing at the bows . Head down get on with it!!!  DAVID

[michael101]

Thank you David ! 

In that picture there is the same level..

its mean that the keelson line is not the border line of the plank ? I mean when i will install the plank i will still see the whait aria okf the keel in the corner of the bow ... 

[michael101]

A little update 

The building going a bit slowly because I'm working on the Ship Skeleton...

I come back late in the evening and do not have much power to work on the construction of the ship also the table saw making a lot of noise at the evening lol

most of my time build right now is in Friday that i have all a day free to build

 

here is some pictures of my progress , i installed blocks between the bulkheads also behind the barrel strip i glue some wood (1mm thick ) to push the strip outside in the slots ...

 

 

[michael101]

now I'm about starting the shape of the ship i mean the fairing progress , i want to do that before installing the patterns of the gun ports for not getting any damage on the patterns ...

i have ask before about the shape of the bow forward supports (40 – 42)

and after fairing... i got it straight with the bulkheads 1 and 2 

now the only problem is the level between bulkhead 1 to bulkhead 3 i mean the bulkhead no.2 is a bit up ...

i saw in all of the victory build logs the same level ! but I'm not sure if i need to put some plank on that bulkhead no.2 or to sand bulkhead no.3

for getting nice and smooth curve down the bow

 

here is the picture : 

[AntonyUK]

Hi Micheal.

Having not seen the plans or drawings ...it's not easy to advise you.

Check and double check if you are not sure.

 

The bulkhead that your punch is pointing to looks as if it needs building up to the correct level.

Then fair it down... check that the bulkhead is at the correct height at the top first. I cannot tell by looking at any of your photos.

Also check if you need any build up on the sides.

 

All the best.

Antony.

[Shipyard sid]

Michael 

             You will have to fair off the bulkheads which you have not done yet to the lowest point possible. Then just get on with your first planking. When you reach the point of planking the faulty area you will see what you need to do, to make the planking as good as it need be. Then you are going to sand all the hull, and probably use filler. Next you have the second planking to fit, and finally the copper tiles to fit, and so the fault never existed. It's no good just looking at it. Just get on with the planking. DAVID

[Paul Jarman]

Michael,

You are getting some good advice on this build. As mentioned once you have done a bit of filling and planked twice and put the copper plates on you will not notice any problems. I build this great kit and had all but completed the upper gun deck when I had to give up for reasons I have explained elsewhere. I did the four butt system and fully rigged all the cannons. You will find you have to add a few bits to the cannons but they will look very good. Also you have to decide whether to patina the plates. I found that once the hull was coppered there was so much of it that your attention was drawn to the shiny bottom of the hull. I patanaed mine and it looked very good and your eyes where drawn to the hull as whole, especially once the black and yellow bands where painted on. Continue as you are, you are doing a great job and I will follow with interest.

Paul

[michael101]

Thank you all !!!  

i have installed the block fillers and now working on the fairing of the bow section ,

hop to update picture tomorrow...

Best regards ,

Michael.

[S.Coleman]

Looks like you are off to a great start. It's looking good. Fairing, One of the most important partsof the job. Good luck.

[michael101]

Thank you Scott  

[EJ_L]

I just finished reading through your log to date and indeed off to a good start. Planning and thinking ahead is always important. Take your time when you fair those frames as it will make a huge difference when you plank. Looking forward to seeing more as you progress.