tkay11 Posted May 17, 2013 #31 Posted May 17, 2013 This is really interesting. The amount of work that goes into this is astounding. Thanks again for keeping the flow of info. I think I could do with a an extra few gig in my own head to help me -- and that's just with figuring out the wooden ship! Tony PeteB 1 Quote === First build: Caldercraft HM Cutter Sherbourne 1763 FINISHED 2nd build: Triton cross-section COMPLETED 3rd build: La Chaloupe Armée / 42ft Armed Longboat of 1834 by tkay11 – scale 1:36, plans by M. Delacroix COMPLETED 4th build: Allège d’Arles 1833 (Ancre) POB by tkay11 – scale 1:100, plans by F. Fissore COMPLETED Working on La Jacinthe 1:96 POB (ANCRE publications)
Magnus Posted May 18, 2013 Author #32 Posted May 18, 2013 Awesome stuff! I only wish I had the time to learn to use this stuff - provides a fantastic method to visualize the actual workings of the ship. These must take you an amazing amount of time and effort to produce? It's a passion, the 3D modelling as well as the age of sail topic. Time does not count. Moreover I am at it since 2008 (!) with long periods of inactivity. Quote
Magnus Posted May 25, 2013 Author #33 Posted May 25, 2013 (edited) Foam on the wave crests now adds some realism. The wake will be next. Then an overhaul of the sails. Still not satisfied with it. And another small (just 24h render time) animation: Edited May 25, 2013 by Magnus clloyd, Pete38, PeteB and 2 others 5 Quote
birdseye Posted January 9, 2014 #34 Posted January 9, 2014 Hi, amazing work. May be I missed it, but i dont found any mention of the used 3D- and Render - Software. Greetings Birdseye Quote
Sailor1234567890 Posted January 12, 2014 #35 Posted January 12, 2014 I can't imagine the challenges in building these 3d models in a computer. They always seem to look a little off. I think I figured out why. Watching one view from the stbd bow, I noticed that even though the ship seems to move in a realistic manner, the camera angle gives it away as CG. The ship moves about a certain point and the camera is fixed to that point. There's no rise and fall of the ship, just a camera that seems attached to a point on the ship as she moves. The detail in these views is awesome. I loved watching them and have gone through each a number of times now. Beautiful work. PeteB 1 Quote
clloyd Posted January 13, 2014 #36 Posted January 13, 2014 Magnus, I'm glad you found MSW. I found your 3D build a couple of years back and was really impressed. I'm even more impressed now! (I did also pinch and early pic to use as an avatar, since I'm building her in wood at the moment). Colin Quote -- Current Builds: HMS Pandora 1/64 Scratch Jeannie Johnston; 18thC Longboat with my son Previous Builds: HMB Bounty - Caldercraft Running Round my head: HMS Speedy (1782) - vaguely thinking POF "If at first you don't succeed, try it your wifes' way"
Magnus Posted May 3, 2014 Author #37 Posted May 3, 2014 Hello everybody, my longtime project gained some speed at the beginning of the year. My intention to bring a crew to the model now becomes reality. I had to solve some difficult problems but here the first test-render gives some evidence what might come across during the year ... all just a matter of spare time ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=tXKjxNYdI5Q malachy and mtaylor 2 Quote
Magnus Posted May 24, 2014 Author #38 Posted May 24, 2014 (edited) This is another study that depicts the garment of an officer. Attention goes to the movement of the coattails. Implies a complicated workflow across cinema 4D, Marvelous Designer and DAZ 3D Studio. The principles are there but still a long way to go ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTUMZjEG4yU (The clip loops ...) Edited May 24, 2014 by Magnus Quote
Don9of11 Posted May 26, 2014 #39 Posted May 26, 2014 The videos of the sailors walking is amazing but it doesn't look natural. I think the problem I noticed and this is just a observation is the hips appear to be stationary. When we walk and place our right or left foot in front of us our hip for that particular leg drops accordingly. I have no idea if that motion is possible to animate or how difficult it might be to do. Still, it's pretty amazing. Quote Current project: Retired www.howefamily.com
Magnus Posted May 26, 2014 Author #40 Posted May 26, 2014 (edited) Shure, it is just a quick test where I did put some things together. The software DAZ 3D Studio has a strong engine to create 3D characters and animations. The garment is done in another program called "Marvelous Designer". Finally all comes together in my main 3D software "Cinema 4D". The exchange of data (geometry and motion) between the applications alone is an effort in its own. The little videos just give evidence that things work in principle. It is not a meaningful animation. By the end of the year I might have things in place to produce more appealing results. Still have issues ahead of me in the area of simulating "Hair" and of course convincing animations ... Edited May 26, 2014 by Magnus Quote
HIPEXEC Posted June 10, 2014 #42 Posted June 10, 2014 It looks like the real thing! Quote Rich Rich USS Constitution by hipexec (Finished build) Virginia Pilot Boat 1805 (gallery - first build) USS Syren (USS Argus) by Hipexec Joshua Slocum's Spray by HIPEXEC
Magnus Posted June 10, 2014 Author #43 Posted June 10, 2014 The character I am currently working on ... WackoWolf, st george, Lukasvdb and 2 others 5 Quote
Don9of11 Posted June 13, 2014 #44 Posted June 13, 2014 He looks a little like Trevor Howard who starred as the Captain of the Bounty in the movie Mutiny on the Bounty with Marlon Brando Mirabell61 1 Quote Current project: Retired www.howefamily.com
Magnus Posted June 13, 2014 Author #45 Posted June 13, 2014 (edited) He looks a little like Trevor Howard who starred as the Captain of the Bounty in the movie Mutiny on the Bounty with Marlon Brando Unintended ... but it fits as the Pandora was in search of the bounty mutineers Without captain Bligh though but a similar story about the rescue of the crew with a long journey in the boats after the ship was wrecked on the great barrier reef. Edited June 13, 2014 by Magnus Quote
Magnus Posted June 29, 2014 Author #46 Posted June 29, 2014 (edited) Latest achievements go here ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=9glpb--vOik http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=XNVUUidHKls Two more tests of my advancing character animation. The workflow and setup is almost complete. The texturing of the coat is still missing. Credits for modelling of headwear, wig and under-garment goes to Varsels from sharecg.com. The officers coat, its fittings and the overall composition and animation setup is my own creation. Edited June 29, 2014 by Magnus Doreltomin, Don9of11, schnu and 2 others 5 Quote
schnu Posted June 29, 2014 #47 Posted June 29, 2014 Thats amazing, but he seems the cheeks look very skinny, maybe its just the shadows tho Quote
Magnus Posted July 27, 2014 Author #48 Posted July 27, 2014 Puttin’ on some ritz now ... Animation: http://youtu.be/csZ7lRy36Nw First time with some UVW mapped textures on the vertex-animated coat. Still missing is a rapier which will make it even more complex ... we will see. schnu, mtaylor, Don9of11 and 2 others 5 Quote
schnu Posted July 30, 2014 #49 Posted July 30, 2014 Thats amazing, I love the detail of the clothes how they get tiny bend while moving. Although it seems that the back of the bottom left of thejacket has a slight problem, it seems that the loop isn t done perfectly. The jacket `jumps in and out of place. Quote
Magnus Posted July 30, 2014 Author #50 Posted July 30, 2014 Thank you for the observation. You hit the nail on the head. If you see him walking for a couple of seconds it is a repitition of just one same cycle done multiple times. The cycle has a so called backed animation of the coat. A recording of each position of each vertice 30 times in a second! It comes from the organic simulation against a series of repetitive walkcycles. I am using the software "marvelous designer" for this. It creates a mass of data. Having this backing being done for many of seamless loops would be to costly in terms of computer resources. Now, having the one cycle, it cannot be granted that the status of the clothing (hundreds if not thousands of vertices) at the beginning of the cycle is exactly the same as at the end of the cycle. The simulation itself does not reproduce the same status at two different points in time. The only thing I can do at the moment is having a simulation of a series of cycles and cut out the two points in time that resemble each other as good as possible. There will always be a slight "jumping". Of course there might be possibilites in the area of morphing but I don't want to dig into this topic ... schnu 1 Quote
Magnus Posted August 11, 2014 Author #51 Posted August 11, 2014 Much progress now. Optimized my workflow, lots of polishing on the textures and a naval sword added. The sword was a real challenge. Modeling and texturing done from scratch. The Inclusion into the animation and non-collision with the coat needed to be solved. Could further be improved but I am satisfied with the result by now. Will see what comes next. A royal marine maybe. Might even be more demanding as they have a lot of fittings at them. Will also have to start creating animations. The current walkcycle is just a test. A very long way to go until my ship model will be populated with officers, marines, midshipmen, boatswains, masters, able seamen, carpenter, cook, purser, ... link: http://youtu.be/Y0167QDMckg PeteB, Don9of11 and schnu 3 Quote
schnu Posted August 12, 2014 #52 Posted August 12, 2014 This is amazing; you even put the handle decoration (a lion). And I see you have fixed the back, you are really talented. how long did it take to make the sword? Did you make it with blender? Quote
Magnus Posted August 12, 2014 Author #53 Posted August 12, 2014 (edited) Thanks ... I am using Maxon cinema 4D which is a full blown modeller suite. Unfortunately in a similar price range like 3DS Max and Maya. Blender is a great tool though. I tried it out for a while. It seems to be optimized for character modelling. The interface is a little bit "unusual" and it is lacking a logical editor like C4D has it. Guess in Blender you need to do scripting in python when C4D still offers a wide range of possibilities in its logical editor "XPresso" ... C4D has python as well in addition to its legacy scripting language COFFEE (resembles Java Script). The sword took me around 2 days ... The lion piece I have from turbosquid. I just adapted it to the handle. Edited August 12, 2014 by Magnus Quote
Don9of11 Posted August 14, 2014 #54 Posted August 14, 2014 Amazing work Magnus. When I watch the character walk from the front or rear and I pay attention to his feet the camera (floor) seems to be moving left and right. When I watch from the side at his feet it looks like he is walking on a tread mill. The only other observation I would make are the hands, he looks like he is ready to draw a gun. You may have mentioned this before but where did you get the measurements for the uniform? Are you just using photos and existing paintings? Quote Current project: Retired www.howefamily.com
Magnus Posted August 18, 2014 Author #55 Posted August 18, 2014 The character consists of an internal joint or bone system. The bones form a skeleton. Each bone is animated over time. Translations (positions) and rotations (angles) have values for each frame with 30 frames per second. With all bones interacting properly. Fingers have them as well but here these bones are not animated. The bone system is wrapped with the polygons of the character. Each bone has a defined impact on a group of near polygons. I did remove the translation on the top element, the hip. Otherwise my character would walk out of the screen. I have a lot of books about the age-of-sail topic. Most of them from Conway. Here I did use "The Trafalgar Companion" by Mark Adkin. Although not exactly the same period as HMS Pandora ... Page 128 has the captain undress uniform and from page 197 onwards it has nice illustrations ... schnu, PeteB and Don9of11 3 Quote
Don9of11 Posted August 19, 2014 #56 Posted August 19, 2014 Your skill level is amazing, I asked about the officer because I have been looking for 2d officer for some Sketchup work I was doing. Quote Current project: Retired www.howefamily.com
Magnus Posted September 7, 2014 Author #57 Posted September 7, 2014 (edited) Here we have my first try with facial morphing. The Program DAZ 3D has rich functionality to set it up quickly and easily. Link to movie: ... I am aware that the whole thing is getting a little bit out of topic for ship modelling ... but finally all will come together. Edited September 7, 2014 by Magnus druxey, dvm27, VonHoldinghausen and 3 others 6 Quote
Magnus Posted September 10, 2014 Author #58 Posted September 10, 2014 (edited) ... this crabby guy did pose for a further test yesterday. I managed to export "morphs" from DAZ to C4D. A morph is a special technical construct that moves points from one position to another position over time by means of a handle that controls the extend of the move. This saves resources. Not each position of each point in each frame (30 per second) needs to be stored but the position of the handle. link: http://youtu.be/AR59fD3n1z8 Edited September 10, 2014 by Magnus Don9of11 and PeteB 2 Quote
mtaylor Posted September 10, 2014 #59 Posted September 10, 2014 Amazing stuff, Magnus. I looked over your Youtube posts and saw some stuff I've missed. You're modeling work is incredible. PeteB 1 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
Magnus Posted September 20, 2014 Author #60 Posted September 20, 2014 Another two here: http://youtu.be/1fXybh6ZvIQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9otFqkSzpUE Next time I want him to handle a spyglass ... druxey 1 Quote
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