clifforddward Posted August 27, 2017 Share #1 Posted August 27, 2017 (edited) Thanks to everyone here on the forum for the warm welcome since joining NRG and MSW last month. I've enjoyed getting to know folks and have had a great time pondering how to make a serious start in the model shipbuilding hobby. After much contemplation, I decided to tackle an Echo Cross Section for my first POF build. Much of that decision came from wonderful feedback received by members of the MSW forum...thank you to all for your candid and helpful comments. I also decided on the Echo Cross Section because of David and Greg's excellent series of books on building the Swan class Sloop. Between the instructions obtained from Greg when I bought the Echo Framing kit and those books, I believe I'll have what I need to start a successful build. I am confident other members here on the forum will help me fill in the gaps as I improve my skill set and knowledge base. First was purchase of the Admiralty Models Echo Cross Section framing kit which came with a full set of framing wood from Crown Timberyard along with a thumb drive of instructions and plans. I printed out the instructions and plan sheets and had them spiral bound for easy use on the bench. Wood is on a shelf in my workshop getting acclimated before I start cutting parts. Unfortunately Greg has run out of Fitting Out kits and he advised not being able to obtain wood for more kits....he was nice enough to send the complete instructions for the fitting out kit which will allow me to cut my own wood and be able to fully finish out the interior of the Echo Cross Section. I've got a table saw for resawing billets and will be ordering some Castello and Holly to make the fitting out wood...but I have a quandary...namely what are the details of the wood in the fitting out kit? Greg did not have a Wood List for the fitting out kit so could not help me with the details. In the photo below, you can see the wood list of the framing package...I'm looking for the same thing related to the fitting out kit. Is there someone here who purchased an Echo Cross Section Fitting Out kit who could send me a scan of the wood list from their kit so I could have a guide to know what wood quantities and sized to cut?...I would certainly appreciate the assistance. Next step for me will be setting up a building board for this project. Since I'm trying to use this as a test project for a full ship build in the future, I'll be making a building board same as if I was doing a full ship...probably overkill, but should be a good learning lesson. Let the project begin!... Edited August 27, 2017 by clifforddward corrected spelling Ryland Craze, dvm27, Heronguy and 6 others 9 Quote Cliff Ward Cary, North Carolina USA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEDDO Posted August 27, 2017 Share #2 Posted August 27, 2017 (edited) Looking forward to you getting started. Shame about the fitting out kit as this was also going to be my first scratch build. (edit: I should say this will still be my first scratch but now will be a bit more difficult.) Edited August 27, 2017 by MEDDO Canute, mtaylor, dvm27 and 1 other 4 Quote Michael Shipwrights of Ohio Current Build: ... Completed Builds: Queen Anne Barge - Syren, Pinnace - MS, Halifax 1768 - LSS, Murrelet - Pygmy, Swift 1805 - AL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davec Posted August 28, 2017 Share #3 Posted August 28, 2017 (edited) Cliff - It will be nice to not be the only person working on the cross section. I wouldn't worry about the fitting out kit. I mill my own wood, too. David and Greg were very nice and sold me cannon barrels and the instructions separate from the wood kit. It isn't a big problem to mill as you go along, and it give you complete freedom to work in whatever wood you want, and to have your cross section be a little different than everyone elses. If you have the tools, milling the wood is the least challenging part of the build. It also completely liberates you from worrying about running out of wood if you have to redo parts to get them the way you want. The Swan books and cross section instructions are excellent. Greg and David have provided huge amounts of help and advice along the way for me, and I expect will for you as well. If there is anything I can help with, please feel free to PM me. I work slowly and check the site sporadically. I did one scratch build before this (Hahn style Hannah). The cross section is very different - the full framing and detailed interior make it a completely different project and I'm learning a huge number of new things. I'm looking forward to seeing your progress. Best, Dave Edited August 28, 2017 by davec Canute, Ryland Craze, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote Current builds: Wingnut Wings AMC DH9 Model Shipways 1/48 Longboat Model Shipways 1/24 Grand Banks Dory Soon to start: Fully framed Echo Completed builds: East Coast Oyster Sharpie Echo Cross Section 1/48 Scratchbuilt Hannah from Hahn plans 1/64 Kitbashed Rattlesnake from Bob Hunt practicum 1/64 Brig Supply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heronguy Posted August 28, 2017 Share #4 Posted August 28, 2017 Cliff, I'll be happy to come along for the ride. Best of luck for a smooth start and successful build! mtaylor and Canute 2 Quote Doug Current Builds: Bluenose II - AL / Krabbenkutter / Prince de Neufchatel / Essex Cross-section / Syren / Barque Stefano / Winchelsea / Half Hull / Maria HF31 - Dusek / Bandirma - Turkmodel On the Shelf: Santisima Trinidad and Cross Section / HMS Cutter Alert / Tender AVOS / Confederacy Suspended Build: Bluenose II - Billing Boats Nr 600 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtolbert Posted August 30, 2017 Share #5 Posted August 30, 2017 Cliff, I have one of Greg's kits with the fitting out package sitting in my garage awaiting completion of a new shop. Give me a day or two to dig it out, and I'll share some photos for you (no, it's not for sale :-). Doug (no, I'm not Heronguy) mtaylor and Canute 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifforddward Posted August 31, 2017 Author Share #6 Posted August 31, 2017 Thanks Doug, that would be great. All I need is the wood list...the framing kit I bought had a wood list in with the wood, hopefully your fitting out kit will have the same. I've got some Holly and Costello billets in route to me to cut wood from, just need to know the sizes to cut. I'm also considering Pear for some of the deck fittings... Look forward to hearing what you discover....thanks in advance for taking the time to help! Best Regards Cliff Canute and mtaylor 2 Quote Cliff Ward Cary, North Carolina USA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtolbert Posted August 31, 2017 Share #7 Posted August 31, 2017 Echo Class Section Completion Package Wood List.pdf pdf attached. It was easier to find than I remembered. Enjoy. Doug Canute, mtaylor, Harrissen and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifforddward Posted August 31, 2017 Author Share #8 Posted August 31, 2017 Thank you so very much Doug, much appreciated. This list will make my cutting task so much easier, now I know exactly how much of which wood I need to cut. Best Regards, Cliff mtaylor and Canute 2 Quote Cliff Ward Cary, North Carolina USA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtolbert Posted September 2, 2017 Share #9 Posted September 2, 2017 De nada, Cliff. Enjoy. Doug Canute and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trussben Posted September 12, 2017 Share #10 Posted September 12, 2017 Look forward to seeing another Echo. ben Canute and mtaylor 2 Quote Current builds: HMS Pegasus TFFM. HMS Winchelsea. Completed builds: ECHO cross section.18th C Longboat.QA Barge. Medway Longboat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifforddward Posted November 28, 2017 Author Share #11 Posted November 28, 2017 (edited) Took advantage of the Thanksgiving holiday weekend to make a building board for my Echo Cross Section build. Constructed along the lines of the building board in Ed Tosti's Niaid book. Probably overkill for this Echo cross section, but I wanted to use the opportunity to make several of the jigs to use with the track system that will be helpful as I move forward with a full Echo ship build in the future. This building board is approximately 12" x 15", and the tracks which were obtained from Lee Valley are spaced 10" on center. Should provide a stable platform for building my Echo Cross Section and allow plenty of places for use of the tracks as well as clamping around the edge. Oh and yes, I did just realize I need to open up slots in the end trim boards so I can slide the mounting bolts onto the tracks....Grrrr! Edited November 28, 2017 by clifforddward druxey, MEDDO, mtaylor and 8 others 11 Quote Cliff Ward Cary, North Carolina USA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davec Posted November 28, 2017 Share #12 Posted November 28, 2017 (edited) Hi Cliff - looks awesome. It will be helpful aligning frames (even though there are only 12 of them) and doing internal measurements for the deck clamps. I'm impressed with your craftsmanship - can't wait to see the model. Dave Edited November 28, 2017 by davec MEDDO, mtaylor, Canute and 1 other 4 Quote Current builds: Wingnut Wings AMC DH9 Model Shipways 1/48 Longboat Model Shipways 1/24 Grand Banks Dory Soon to start: Fully framed Echo Completed builds: East Coast Oyster Sharpie Echo Cross Section 1/48 Scratchbuilt Hannah from Hahn plans 1/64 Kitbashed Rattlesnake from Bob Hunt practicum 1/64 Brig Supply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted November 28, 2017 Share #13 Posted November 28, 2017 Yup! Those T-slots work much better with access. But lovely cabinetry work anyway. mtaylor, Canute and MEDDO 3 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEDDO Posted November 28, 2017 Share #14 Posted November 28, 2017 I do like the track system. Can’t wait to see more. mtaylor 1 Quote Michael Shipwrights of Ohio Current Build: ... Completed Builds: Queen Anne Barge - Syren, Pinnace - MS, Halifax 1768 - LSS, Murrelet - Pygmy, Swift 1805 - AL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvm27 Posted November 28, 2017 Share #15 Posted November 28, 2017 You're off to a great start, Cliff. I think one of the great advantages of Ed's system is the ability to exert downward pressure within the hull (using an overhead gantry). mtaylor, Canute, MEDDO and 1 other 4 Quote GregwebsiteAdmiralty Modelsmoderator Echo Cross-section buildAdmiralty Models Cross-section BuildFinished buildPegasus, 1776, cross-sectionCurrent buildSpeedwell, 1752 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocBlake Posted December 4, 2017 Share #16 Posted December 4, 2017 Great start, Cliff! I'll be watching this one with interest. Canute, MEDDO and mtaylor 3 Quote Dave Click on images in posts to view them in full resolution! Click on the builds below and link to the log. Current Builds: -Gaff-Rigged Sloop, 1/4 Scale (3" = 1') -Chapman Water Hoy 1768 by DocBlake - Scratch Build - 1:48 scale -Hannah - 1:32 scale, Scratch-Built Plank-on-Frame Admiralty style -Generic Sharpie by DocBlake. 3/4" = 1' scale. NRG plans. -Fair American 1780 by DocBlake - Lauck Street Shipyard - 1/48 scale - POF -Independence 1775 by DocBlake - Artesania Latina - 5/16" scale -HMS Triton Cross Section by DocBlake - 1/24 scale Completed Builds: -Bomb Vessel Granado 1742 Cross Section - 1:32 Scale Scratch Build -British Capstan circa 1777 by DocBlake - FINISHED - 1:16 Scale -HMS Blandford - Cross Section - Scratch Build -1/32 Scale -17th Century Battle Station by DocBlake - HMS Mordaunt - 1:32 -17th Century Naval Cannon - 1:12 Scale -Royal Navy Ship of the Line Cross Section by DocBlake - (Mamoli's "Constitution") - 1:93 scale -Armed Virginia Sloop 1768, 1/48 scale. -Virginia Pilot Boat "Swift", 1805, 1/50 scale -18th Century Naval Battle Station, 1/24 scale -Armed Virginia Sloop 1768 "Patrick Henry", 1/32 scale, Lauck Street Shipyard, POF, Admiralty Style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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