HMS Triton 1773. POF. 1:48. Daniel

[WackoWolf]

Looking good. I hate doing hawse frames, always takes me more then one try to get it right, but this way I have scrap wood for smaller stuff. Excellent work. Keep the pictures coming.

[harvey1847]

Hello all!

 

Thank you Joe! I´ll keep the pics coming... After the milestone It´s been completed the thing is getting more complex and more exciting. The worst thing,,, my "mom´s camera" It takes awful shots.

 

Now I´m dealing with the hawse pieces. The Sart Board ones are completed but not faired. <----Here´s the tricki part!!! (fairing them)

 

I have make a symetrical patterns for the Port Side. There here are. I´ll wait to put the pics of the hawse timber cause I want to pepared some kind of practicum about them. Maybe it sounds pretty ambicious but I´ll try it and the work has to be completed. Taking lots of pics to explain the proccess, don´t worry.

 

I have "converted" all the pdf´s but I am only using the bollard timber and the HT from 1 to 4.

 

UPDATED 01/12/2013. Here are the new plans. They are a little bit bigger (about 0.3mm) but are much more better than the old ones. The frame #6 is not here. It´s so small piece that is going to be done on porpuse to the model.

 

bollardtimber@48-1_sym.pdf

 

Hawsetimber@48-1_sym.pdf

 

Hawsetimber@48-2_sym.pdf

 

Hawsetimber@48-3_sym.pdf

 

Hawsetimber@48-4_sym.pdf

 

Hawsetimber@48-5_sym.pdf

 

 

 

Best wishes and happy Sunday.

 

 

Daniel.

Edited December 1, 2013 by harvey1847

[voronDIV]

Thanks Daniel. Drawings mirror is specifically or error.

Edited November 24, 2013 by voronDIV

[kenr]

Hi Daniel

Regarding Vorons post.

If I look at one of the  the PDF,s it is back to front ( ie in reverse )

Is that what you intended ?

 

Regards

Ken

[harvey1847]

Hellooo All!

 

Ken and Voron, and for all...

 

The pdf´s I have attached are just work that works for me. If it is helpful for you it´s fine but I insist are just drawings that I make to myself and on this particular project. The porpused of that symetrical patterns is just to Know where I have to sand in the oppsite side (mirror) from the start board. I do not Know if I answer your question Ken. I guess not maybe.

 

Anyway, I´m still alive (Thanks God) and Kicking "o como sea"...

 

 

I´m pretty tired today. and kind of drunk after so many pints!

 

Hope you sleep well. I´ll do for sure. Zzzzz

 

 

[Matrim]

Nice arty shot of the framing as well 

[harvey1847]

good afternoon!

 

I have updated post #82! you´ll find there the pdf file of the lower deck I´m going to use...

 

 

Enjoy!

 

 

Daniel.

[harvey1847]

Hello All!

 

As I said, I was going to make a "practicum" about the Hawse frames but I dropped the idea. I´m not an expertto do so.

 

Instead I´m going to put a bunch of pics that I hope will speak by themselves... There we gooOOO!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just checking.

 

 

One pair sanded and the other one not.

 

 

The angle in my model against the -W- frame was 26º so I sand a piece of pine to put it against my tilt sand table.

 

 

All rough sanded. I will add the 5th one later on.

 

 

 

Starting the sanding. Pretty pretty slow and always checking. When i say slow is slow and slow...

 

 

 

Checking the outside fit. the interior is not still faired.

 

 

 

The inner side was much more easy than I expect with the minidrill.

 

 

Checking again. Did I say it? wood is patient like some body says...

 

 

and that´s it till now, still the portside to be done...

 

Best wishes and happy thanksgiving!!

 

 

daniel.

Edited November 28, 2013 by harvey1847

[AnobiumPunctatum]

^{Hi Daniel,}

^{that's a really nice progress.}

Edited November 28, 2013 by AnobiumPunctatum

[Pete38]

Daniel

    Looking really nice   Great set of pictures on the Hawes timbers...explains it very well. Will be filling this away for later in my notes

 

Looking forward to more pic's  of you progress

[harvey1847]

Arrgh!

 

Sometimes while you are posting,,, and you have attached all the pics and write everything… suddenly inet says “no” and all the work and effort go to the trash bin.Anyway, we are just dealing with ceros and ones not with wood.

 

Thanks very much Pete! Nice place you live. I have just checked it out on google maps and looks beautiful. Lots of forest to make model ship building or Bourbon barrels…

 

Christian!! Where are you?! How is the HMS Pegasus going?

 

Sometimes one feels so alone here in the “Complete Model” forum…

 

Here´s the work done so far during these two last days.

 

 

 

As you can see the top beams (4x4mm) at the ends of the frames were pretty helpful to glue the limber strake.

 

 

Here´s a shot of the two strakes glued. Took me two days. Meanwhile I was cutting more patterns, studying the plans and sanding the hawse pieces.

 

And here is where I am moving on… the fore and aft platforms. I have to buy a small level to ensure the platforms are leveled. It is a device quite expensive. Made in Japan.

 

 

Hope to post more tomorow. Fingers Cross.

 

 

Daniel.

 

[mtaylor]

Nice work, Daniel.    Don't consider it as being "lonely", consider it as "being one of a kind".  

[voronDIV]

Daniel tell me what is the distance between the plates in  Jig .

Thanks

[harvey1847]

Thanks Mark, Druxey, Pete, Joe... and all!

 

Pretty exhortative Voron, do you belong to the Army? hahaha just kidding!

 

On post #89 there´s a pdf file where  I have mixed the disposition of the frames and the section plus the keel. Looks pretty messy but it is acuarate, you have just to see where the deck beams are and you´ll know where to set the platforms. Nothing really special. The plan is the key.

 

Back to the workshop.

 

 

daniel.

[harvey1847]

Hello again!

 

A small update. With so many wood around is kind of tricky to chose the proper ones sometimes. I have printed out the order I made back on summer this year. You can see there the prices aswell. I purchased all my wood here http://www.acercamadera.com/ They deliver all across Europe but you´ll have to see how much is the derlivery of the package. They do not speak english.

 

PEDIDO acercamadera post.pdf

 

Almost ten AM and I am still here. It´s freezing up there in my workshop!

 

 

Daniel.

Edited November 29, 2013 by harvey1847

[AnobiumPunctatum]

Daniel,

 

I didn't work on my HMS Fly since February. When I will go back to her, I don't know. It does not make fun to start in autumn and stop the build in spring for job reasons.  In the moment I work on drawings for the Naval Cutter Alert/Rattlesnake. In the summer I got the NMM drawings of HMS Triton. I like to build the model with the frameing of the original ship, so I have to draw the frames by myself.

If I find time to work more continuosly I will reopen my shipyard.

[harvey1847]

Good morning Christian!

 

Nice to hear that. Lot of work ahead for you. What program are you going to use? Have you thought about sharing the files here on the forum? and the last one, do you work on 2D or 3D? If you cannot model at least you can draw. It´s kind of relaxing to do so and forget about the dust and the mess of the workshop.

 

Best wishes.

 

 

Daniel.

[AnobiumPunctatum]

Hello Daniel,

 

I have not thought about publishing the Alert drawings. The base of my work are the AotS Book "The naval cutter Alert, 1777" of Peter Goodwin and the NMM drawings of the Rattlesnake. There are some details in the book where in my opinion other solutions are more believable.

I draw with Autocad only in 2D - 3D will be the model of timber in the future.

[WackoWolf]

I also use AutoCAD but then I import the files into Soildworks.

[harvey1847]

Hello boys and girls around Model ship World!

 

Joe, are you in another topic on this forum about 3D drawing? I have ACAD 2011 but I do not know how to use the “lofting” tab. I guess it is harder the 3D with AutoCAD but do you think that the task could be accomplished using 3dCAD? (please send me the icon for the lofting thing so I can know where to find it, my version is Spanish) I have no Solidworks and looks like I am not going to have it for a while…

 

A small progress during this weekend was done. I have redone the pdf´s for the symmetrical hawse timbers. They are already uploaded on the post about it.

 

The thick stuff plus the different pieces are going quite slowly. That is why I am moving to other things like marking the deck clamps for the lower deck. It took me like one hour or more to set the first pattern in place measuring and measuring again with the square sets.

 

Anyway here are some pics…

 

 

 

 

 

 

This last one is dedicated to Piet. All our workshops tend to look like a mess. I am going to put at least one day in the week schedule to tidy up and clean. With the amount of tiny chips and pieces of timber the table is starting to look like a circus rather than a proper log…

 

Happy Monday!

 

Daniel.

[harvey1847]

Hello hello!

 

Today is friday, is party here in Spain. The Constitution day.  Three days ahead with the Admiral and the kids around… Worst enemies for a modeler.

 

I have started the aft platform just to “forget” a little bit the tedious work with the limber strakes and the thick stuff. Soon I have realized that only this little platform is a model kit itself… 36 pieces and 58 scarfs… I repeated the lodging knees twice mainly because the scarfs. How I envy you guys with those sherline or proxxon machines!! I´m using an x-acto blade and a rasp.

 

 

 

 

I am using Antony´s (1:36 Victory cross section) method for the platform. To do it backwards. One goes blind. I am not sure how the joints are working in the other side caused I cannot see them and it´s the part that is going visible. Let´s see how it works out. I am using this cause the platform is “flat”. Do not know how will work with the camber beams of the rest of the decks.

                                  

 I have also start with the lower deck clamp to strength the hull in the half of her.

 

The piece is quite tricky. It´s bend it in two directions. First I tape the part with scotch tape (that kind you can write on it with a pencil). Then I drew the pattern. Cut, sanded it and boiled in water for about 15 minutes. Then I let it dried in a sort of jig for 24 hours. It took me two days to glue both in place.

 

 

 

 

I am going for a walk with the sailors and the Admiral.

 

Enjoy the day!

 

Daniel.

Edited December 6, 2013 by harvey1847

[mtaylor]

Nice work on the tricky piece, Daniel. 

[Matrim]

Nice, do you find the wood holds the shape? I always worry it will try to un-bend...

 

Joss

[harvey1847]

Hi Hi Captains!! And All!

 

Winter has come. Best place to stay our workshops… minus ten today in Soria. Uff!

 

Back here in Madrid and the platform pieces done. All set but not glued.

 

Mark, those tricky pieces have changed a little bit, I´ll post some pics tomorrow. I wanted to do the deck clamp with scarfs so I unglued the stuff and cut the scarfs.

 

Joss, I guess the secret it´s just to let the piece dry and dry. I did leave it for 24 hours and it holds the shape perfectly. Next time I´ll put some wood spacers between the peace and the nails. The pin has “harmed” the timber and I have had to sand it. For the camber beams I will cut them with the scroll saw but for this the steam has worked for me.

 

Here are just two shots of the set

 

 

 

 

Daniel.

[harvey1847]

Hello and happy Monday! (Written in the morning)

 

After finishing the aft platform for the fish and the spirituous drinks I am moving to do the magazine. I have been thinking a lot during the construction of this platform. With all that amount of pieces and mortises to be done I´m going to “cut” a little bit the project cause I´m not sure if I´ll end it in 2018…

 

Anyway I have redone the magazine plan this morning. The big difference is that I have divided the magazine boxes in four instead of five. I am not sure if I am going to make the cabins so I´ll attach two plans, one with the structure and the other with the beams and the plant of the cabins… I´m much more interested in the structure than the inner rooms.

 

Here is the pdf´s.

 

.- no cabins: Decks_fore_popa_plattform_V02_ok.pdf

 

.- with cabins: Decks_fore_popa_plattform_V02__cabin_ok.pdf

 

Joss here´s the pic about those tricky pieces of the LwDeck clamps. They have been unglued for almost a week and they have held the shape.

 

 

 

 

Monday bloody afternoon Monday! (U2) could be a version..))

 

Afternoon, I have finished the platform. The result is totally awful on the joints. A disaster.

 

 I will repeat the whole piece. Will not work again with that backward method. What works for someone does not always work for everyone. You go totally blind on the visible side. That´s it. That´s the question. To be or not to be… Three days to the trash bin.

 

I want to see the glue going into the carlings and them going into the ledges and the ledges into the beams.

 

Anyway here´s the pics...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I´ll go this way. mortices in a 3x2mm sq timber can be done and I wil work seeing the whole piece from above.

 

 

Daniel.

Edited December 11, 2013 by harvey1847

[harvey1847]

Hello All!

 

And when I say all I mean it. Those who click on the “like” tab and the ones those actually write something. Richard!! Glad to see your Triton growing and growing and mini-you going smaller and smaller with all that frames above you.

 

After doing some surgery with the platform, cleaning all that glue and removing like eight carlings, the refurnished piece looks good to me.

 

I have moved to do the “floor doors” for the fish and spirituous drinks. The wood for the frames is blood wood (2x3.5mm). The cover is ramin (0.6mm thick) and the transoms underneath walnut (2x2). These transoms are not going to be visible but God sees everything…

 

I have tried Ed´s method to simulate the caulking mixing the glue with dark acrylic paint and it worked out! I rasp the excess of glue with a sharp file just on the visible side.

 

I made a sketch of what I´m intended to do. The hinges will need some thinking but probably I´ll cheat and make them with evergreen plastic stuff. I have no equipment and room to be soldering around. Photoetched parts? I´d love to do them but I´m kind of broke and the etched parts are not cheap.

 

Here are some shots.

 

Cutting the scarfs using an aluminum jig.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This last one is from one of the kitties haunting little mousses. I could not resist to put this pic dealing with the fish room and the limber right now on the Triton. Not everything is wood and timber… 

 

best wishes.

 

 

Daniel.

[SaturnV]

Daniel, your changes are well worth the hassel in my opinion. The look is very good.

Your doing the part now that I can't wait to get to. The interior framing is my favorate part and thank you for sharing the PDF's. I will put them to good use when the time comes.

 

So, does the cat meow with an accent? I've always wondered that about foriegn pets......

[harvey1847]

Hello Richard!

 

To be honest with you I have moved to the platforms cause I was starting to feel pretty bored with the hull. I have to faired the exterior (the interior is done) but I need to strength it. That´s why I need that lower deck clamp done plus the other strake underneath it. When I started to mark the decks inside one thing went into another and I endend makig the platforms...

 

The hawse pieces and the deck clamp was exhausting me so I decided to move on and start a part to have a little bit of fun. I thought about making the oven...but I chose the platform.

 

More pics tomorow! The Admiral is around supervising...

 

Have a good day! (the rest of it)

 

 

Daniel.

[the learner]

Hello All!

 

As I said, I was going to make a "practicum" about the Hawse frames but I dropped the idea. I´m not an expertto do so.

 

Instead I´m going to put a bunch of pics that I hope will speak by themselves... There we gooOOO!

 

PA290140.JPG

 

 

and that´s it till now, still the portside to be done...

 

Best wishes and happy thanksgiving!!

 

 

daniel.

THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU!  DANIEL  

 

NICE JOB ON THE PROGRESSION PICTURES FOR THE BOLLARD TIMBERS AND HAWSE FRAMING.

 

I SEE THAT YOU HAVE UPDATED THE BOLLARD PIECE AND EXTENDED IT UP. THANK YOU FOR THE CORRECTION AS THIS WAS ONE OF THE ITEM I WAS HAVNG PROBLEMS WITH

 

GUY

Edited December 13, 2013 by the learner

[harvey1847]

Hello all  annd happy days!

 

Some pics... i´ll try to add some words tomorow. Here´s 2:15 in the morning... back from the same pub with old good friends like the other day... For me is still satuday...

 

 

The scotch tape stuck to the hull. I draw a rough line with pencil.

 

 

I put it on a paper and stick another layer of scotch tape so as not to erase the pencil.

 

 

I glue the "wood pattern" to another piece of wood with PVA. leave it dry for 12-24 hours clamping both. By boiling them the pieces will separate almost inmediatly and you can remove the PVA glue with a sharp blade like butter.

 

 

I set the piece just to see where I have to sand more or less the scarf. I will not glue the whole clamp till all the different pieces are done.

 

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this pic is just to "know" if the platforms are aligne and level. I have not thousands but hundreds of "control pictures" that help me to see if I´m working in the right direction. what a camera can see is sometimes much more accurate than the human eye.

 

Hope you have had a good weekend!

 

 

Daniel.

Edited December 15, 2013 by harvey1847