Duyfken by Robin Lous - Kolderstok - Scale 1:50

[Baker]

I'll tree nail the deck with 0,5 mm walnut (the planks are 4 mm wide).

right decision (in my opinion)

 

Robin,

Are you really sure about this grating??

 

 

 

[Robin Lous]

I'm not sure of course, but these photo's (and others, but copyright) show the grating I made...

Is there a grating expert in da house? 

[Ondras71]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/94/Vasa_mid_weatherdeck2.jpg

http://www.modelships.de/Museums_and_replicas/Orlogsmuseet_Copenhagen/Sophia_Amalia.htm

[amateur]

A grating expert? What do you want of him?

 

Jan

[*Hans*]

These are the gratings on the beakhead of the Batavia

[Baker]

The Wasa from Michael. 

Always interesting 

 

[amateur]

I checked Witsen

 

He describes grating as you made them: 

the lower layer, measured about two inches high, two wide, 

the upper layer nailed on top, battens half inch thick, about 3 inch wide, 

I guess the lower layer is around two-three inches apart.

 

so you would be correct, as soon as you follow the advice of Hans: sand back until zero thickness

 

jan

[Robin Lous]

Thanks gentlemen!

 

I already sand the top layer down to approx 0,5 mm...will sand it to half that thickness.

The Batavia grating is remarkably close to what the Duyfken builders did. Frugal Dutch not so fancy gratings. 

 

Thanks again for your help!

 

Robin 

[Robin Lous]

I finished planking the centre part of the deck.

And I used this photo to make the mast foot...

Because the caulking between these planks is very wide, I used 0,4 mm thin walnut strips for this.

After all...the walnut tree nails I'll use on the deck are not tree nails, but is also caulking, so it does match.

The wider/heavier planks (Dutch: schaarstokken) next to the centre part shown here also...not in place...just to show them.

I painted the sides of the deck planks with dark smoke brown (Vallejo 70.939).

 

Tree nailing this part of the deck is next...I hope I can nail this (lol), it can make or break the look of the deck. Very scary job!

 

More soon,

 

Robin 

 

[cog]

Nice work Robin. You can try out the look of treenailing applying dots with a soft pencil - you'll set the positions for your nails at the same time ... if it is not to your liking you only have to remove the pencil marks ...

[Robin Lous]

That's a good idea Carl! 

[popeye the sailor]

the mast foot looks very good.......as does your grating.   I thought you nailed it according to the picture you showed......don't understand what all the fuss was about     if you plan to keep the decking a lighter color,  then you'll do well with the tree nailing......but if you plan a darker finish,  you may lose some of the appeal.  depending on the scale,  some elect not to......but with the width of planking your using,  you should do well with it      she's look'in great so far.

[Robin Lous]

Thanks gents!

 

It works! It works!

But...but...I need about 1000 of them...oh dear. 

 

[Old Collingwood]

Very tidy  looking really nice.

 

OC.

[EJ_L]

Those tree nails will be a long and tedious venture but it looks like it will be well worth the effort. Looking good!!

[*Hans*]

Robin, are you planning to place part S (schot) later? Because the deck has to be planked up to this part and I noticed you haven't placed it so far.

[Robin Lous]

9 hours ago, *Hans* said:

Robin, are you planning to place part S (schot) later? Because the deck has to be planked up to this part and I noticed you haven't placed it so far.

I do part 5 a bit later...I made the planks longer there, so I can cut them to match the cabin wall. 

 

Minor update..

More soon,

 

Robin

[cog]

How's your treenail sharpener holding up Nice contrast with the deck.

[Robin Lous]

Well Carl, the only way I could think of to make the tree nails....

 

On 16-11-2017 at 4:18 AM, EJ_L said:

Those tree nails will be a long and tedious venture but it looks like it will be well worth the effort. Looking good!!

It is tedious, but only making the tree nails...the rest goes reasonably quick and easy.

Marking the place with a pencil, the drilling, placing (with a drop of PVA on the tip), cutting and sanding...all no problem at all.

Just sharpening those 1x1 mm walnut strips takes most of the time. I do a batch of about 40 in 30 minutes....just the sticks.

 

Where I am now...

By trial and error I learned it's far more easy to use longer punji sticks.

 

The cutting off with a cutter or a pair of decal scissors, filing and sanding is done in minutes.

 

It's all fine, because I think it is worth the effort and because it's 1/50 scale the 0,5 mm tree nails don't look too oversized.

A lot of it will be hidden underneath the foreccastle and the quarter deck, but well...I do those also. 

 

138 done! 

 

More soon, 

Robin 

Edited November 17, 2017 by Robin Lous

[cog]

"I do those also" that's the spirit!!

[UdoK]

On ‎13‎.‎11‎.‎2017 at 9:17 PM, amateur said:

I checked Witsen

 

He describes grating as you made them: 

the lower layer, measured about two inches high, two wide, 

the upper layer nailed on top, battens half inch thick, about 3 inch wide, 

I guess the lower layer is around two-three inches apart.

 

so you would be correct, as soon as you follow the advice of Hans: sand back until zero thickness

 

jan

I' am probably a bit late to the Party, but here a Photo I took on the Batavia which shows the dimensions..

[Robin Lous]

Thanks guys,

 

I now finished the centre part of the deck planking...including the wider planks (schaarstokken) these wider planks don't have nails in them.

Different from the manual. After checking photo's these planks are wider, but not noticeable higher. The manual uses 2 regular planks glued on top of eachother.

I used wider planks...only a fraction thicker.

232 hecho a mano tree nails used so far.

 

I can now continue the planking, but near the sides (in between the frames) it has to wait until after the hull planking.

Frames 4 to 8 will be removed after planking the hull.

 

Slow, but steady...more soon.

 

Robin 

[Robin Lous]

Just to show I'm still working on the shipyard...a minor update.

Only very limited shipyard time until January, so things slow down, but I do something daily.

Most deck planks done, so more nailing trees soon.

I switched from painting the sides of the planks with a brush to dab the paint with a cotton bud.

This goes much faster and it doesn't destroy my paint brushes. I use undiluted acrylic paint, so the paint won't suck into the wood.

 

More soon(ish),

 

Robin 

 

 

[*Hans*]

Tip - a very simple but effective way to do this is to use a black marker - with same effect

[zappto]

Beautiful planking, do you use same wood for tree nails as planking? Keep up good work!

[Robin Lous]

Thanks...the deck planking is abachi, the tree nails are walnut.

I picked walnut, because the tree nails are tiny (0,5 mm)

 

I'm not sure what I should do with the hull planking. The planking will be walnut, so no idea what I can use for the tree nails there.

I'm afraid lighter wood will look odd. Walnut on walnut might be subtle, but perhaps hardly visible ( a lot of work for no result?).

[cog]

get somthing black. drench your toothpicks in ink so they'll be black all the way through ... just a thought. Have a look at what they do in the scratch build section

[*Hans*]

You can buy brass needles (I think these are from Prym) which are 0,3 or 0,4 mm thick.  But I am not sure if they will be visible in the walnut.

[md1400cs]

Robin,

 

Just found your log - I will also bring my chair. Nice project 

Your deck and tree nails are so excellent.

Good start indeed.

 

Nice to have photos of a replica from which to assist (:-))))

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Yes - Chuck at Syren has such excellent products - 

I have been buying his ropes and blocks over the last two years - his rope quality/color are always consistently excellent. It doesn't matter 

how many separate orders I place.

 

Cheers,

 

[EJ_L]

You could try to stain the tree nail lumber a heavier shade of walnut to make them a darker color. It would still be subtle but I think more noticeable than it they were the same shade.