Overworked724 Posted February 8, 2021 Author Share #481 Posted February 8, 2021 (edited) @CPDDET @Keithbrad80 @WalrusGuy Thanks, guys! Much appreciated! It’s not ‘perfect’ and as you can see the hypotenuse (facing edge) is not perfectly edge to edge as there is still some bevel left after sanding...but it’s the closest I could come. The jig only took like 5 min to make. 😎 And I can say it works like a charm...about 5 min to make one 24” triangular strip. 👍🏽 Edited February 8, 2021 by Overworked724 Keithbrad80 1 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overworked724 Posted February 9, 2021 Author Share #482 Posted February 9, 2021 (edited) I broke up the waterways into three parts. Stern, midships and bow. I put the butt joints where the sections meet directly beneath the gun ports so they’ll be hidden by the carronade sled swivel brackets. The bow section of the waterways needed some shaping and a slight twist to get it to fit comfortably. I didn’t go all the way to the stem since I plan to put in a wooden hawshole guide (he said to himself hopefully). One bonus is that my measurements were good this time...the carronade swivel brackets all fit (although some by only a hair) as they should and the waterways do not impinge on their alignment level with the gunport sills! 👍🏽 Will save my staining the deck for tomorrow as a nice ‘attaboy’ gift. Pics below... Moving on... Edited February 9, 2021 by Overworked724 abelson, WalrusGuy, Peter Bloemendaal and 3 others 6 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overworked724 Posted February 9, 2021 Author Share #483 Posted February 9, 2021 (edited) I couldn’t help myself. Decided to see the afterglow of all that work after a coat of natural stain. You can see I stayed with one trunnel at the butt joints and on the adjacent boards. Frankly, I could have easily done 2 per board but think it would simply have been overkill. I’m not unhappy with my efforts! Not bad for the slowest Syren build in town. Moving on.... Edited February 9, 2021 by Overworked724 Gahm, Keithbrad80, abelson and 1 other 4 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalrusGuy Posted February 9, 2021 Share #484 Posted February 9, 2021 The deck came out beautifully Patrick! I was also eagerly waiting for you to apply the finish 😁 Overworked724 1 Quote Current: USF Confederacy - Model Shipways (Build Log) HMS Pickle - Caldercraft (Build Log) Complete: Virgina 1819 - Artesania Latina (Gallery) U.S. Brig Syren - Model Shipways (Build Log, Gallery) On the shelf: Armed Virginia Sloop - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gahm Posted February 9, 2021 Share #485 Posted February 9, 2021 The deck looks great!! Well done! Thomas Overworked724 1 Quote Current Built: Model Shipways Syren (US Brig 1803) Last Built: Anfora (kit bashed) Ictineo II (1st steam powered submarine 1864) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPDDET Posted February 9, 2021 Share #486 Posted February 9, 2021 Very nice! Overworked724 1 Quote Current build: NRG Half Hull Previous build: MS Bluenose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overworked724 Posted February 10, 2021 Author Share #487 Posted February 10, 2021 (edited) Yeah...hawseholes. They suck. Most of the builds, and the practicum, really don’t go into any detail. The holes just magically appear somewhere in the pics. Well...I call BS. This part was what I was dreading. The idea of getting the knees and detail work in on the stem and realize I need to open up four huuuuuge holes in the bulkheads at the deck level...hoping I can do a decent job of it...ugh. I marked the holes for the anchor cables on the interior side and opened the guide holes...calculating my angle of attack at 15degrees based upon my rough measurement. The problem was the exit holes... Ok. So I got them in...but I got the angles wrong on BOTH sides. &$@!?!! I under and over compensated the angle on both sides. I like symmetry...at least I screwed up once on each side! 🤣 In the end, these two oopsies are easily masked by the knees. Which is why I wanted to open these holes up now.... And I can patch them easy enough once I’ve opened up the holes, painted, etc. Moving on.. Edited February 10, 2021 by Overworked724 Keithbrad80, JpR62 and abelson 3 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keithbrad80 Posted February 10, 2021 Share #488 Posted February 10, 2021 Thanks for sharing your technique, I recently drilled mine as well and realized there was pretty much no explain other than just drill them. At least you can mask them so that’s not bad, very nice work so far it’s looks great! Bradley Overworked724 1 Quote Current Builds: Flying Fish - Model Shipways - 1:96 Future Builds: Young America 1853 - Scratch Build - 1:72 Completed Builds: HMS Racehorse - Mantua - 1:47 (No pictures unfortunately) Providence Whale Boat - Artesania Latina - 1:25 (Also no pictures) Lowell Grand Banks Dory - Model Shipways - 1:24 Shelved Builds: Pride of Baltimore 2 - Model Shipways - 1:64 (Also no pictures) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalrusGuy Posted February 10, 2021 Share #489 Posted February 10, 2021 10 minutes ago, Overworked724 said: Yeah...hawseholes. They suck. Most of the builds, and the practicum, really don’t go into any detail. The holes just magically appear somewhere in the pics. Well...I call BS. This part was what I was dreading. The idea of getting the knees and detail work in on the stem and realize I need to open up four huuuuuge holes in the bulkheads at the deck level...hoping I can do a decent job of it...ugh. I marked the holes for the anchor cables on the interior side and opened the guide holes...calculating my angle of attack at 15degrees based upon my rough measurement. No trouble here...got a long way to go opening them up and painting/cleaning it up. The problem was the exit holes... Ok. So I got them in...but I got the angles wrong on BOTH sides. &$@!?!! I under and over compensated the angle on both sides. I like symmetry...at least I screwed up once on each side! 🤣. In the end, these two oopsIt’s are easily masked by the knees. Which is why I wanted to open these holes up now.... And I can patch them easy enough once I’ve opened up the holes, painted, etc. Moving on.. Yeaup those will be hidden, but I am sure it must have been very annoying and frustrating!!! In my log I went into a bit of details where I drilled pilot holes (very small diameter) on the inside and outside parts of the ship, until they met. Then increased the diameter slowly after JpR62, Overworked724 and Keithbrad80 3 Quote Current: USF Confederacy - Model Shipways (Build Log) HMS Pickle - Caldercraft (Build Log) Complete: Virgina 1819 - Artesania Latina (Gallery) U.S. Brig Syren - Model Shipways (Build Log, Gallery) On the shelf: Armed Virginia Sloop - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overworked724 Posted February 10, 2021 Author Share #490 Posted February 10, 2021 (edited) 16 minutes ago, WalrusGuy said: Yeaup those will be hidden, but I am sure it must have been very annoying and frustrating!!! In my log I went into a bit of details where I drilled pilot holes (very small diameter) on the inside and outside parts of the ship, until they met. Then increased the diameter slowly after I read your log. LOL. Actually, those little oopsies WERE my guideholes. 😞 Im not very good at measuring apparently. Edited February 10, 2021 by Overworked724 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin P. Posted February 10, 2021 Share #491 Posted February 10, 2021 Agreed, thanks for sharing. This is also another future step that's been occupying my thoughts. And its true, they do just magically appear! I was thinking so far to do the same, start small and work up... Are you planning to line them? Quote Current: US Brig SYREN - Model Shipways - Scale 1:64 Completed: HMS TRITON - Cross Section - Scale 1:48 / Gallery Secret Vessel MOREL - Master Korabel - Scale 1:36 / Gallery 18th Century Armed Longboat - Model Shipways - Scale 1:24 / Gallery HMS BOUNTY Launch - Model Shipways - Scale 1:16 / Gallery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overworked724 Posted February 10, 2021 Author Share #492 Posted February 10, 2021 1 minute ago, Justin P. said: Agreed, thanks for sharing. This is also another future step that's been occupying my thoughts. And its true, they do just magically appear! I was thinking so far to do the same, start small and work up... Are you planning to line them? Nope. Following the practicum. Will paint and include the wood veneer once I start building out the stem. Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalrusGuy Posted February 10, 2021 Share #493 Posted February 10, 2021 8 minutes ago, Overworked724 said: I read your log. LOL. Actually, those little oopsies WERE my guideholes. 😞 Im not very good at measuring apparently. I think I just got lucky with it. I remember when using the smallest drill bit I almost messed up and had to try drilling a new pathway with a bigger bit. I also remember it was very tricky and scary 😬 Overworked724 1 Quote Current: USF Confederacy - Model Shipways (Build Log) HMS Pickle - Caldercraft (Build Log) Complete: Virgina 1819 - Artesania Latina (Gallery) U.S. Brig Syren - Model Shipways (Build Log, Gallery) On the shelf: Armed Virginia Sloop - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overworked724 Posted February 10, 2021 Author Share #494 Posted February 10, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, WalrusGuy said: I think I just got lucky with it. I remember when using the smallest drill bit I almost messed up and had to try drilling a new pathway with a bigger bit. I also remember it was very tricky and scary 😬 RIght!??? I mean...come ON! New modelers need to have some idea of next steps after all the hull and deck planking, painting, etc. Suddenly....here...stop what you’re doing and drill four HUGE holes in the bow of your ship. Oh...and be symmetrical and don’t screw up. Enjoy your hobby. Peace out! ✌️ Really? 😳 When I built my Sultana it was a smaller model and easier to gauge. The Syren is bigger... Nope...I’ll leave my note for posterity. I made my attempts and still screwed up...I’ll repair (hopefully soon), and move on. And here (above) is what I did...so you can learn from my mistakes. Hawseholes should be drilled as you plank the exterior. You can SEE what you are doing. If I knew then what I knew now...as soon as I laid down the wales, I’d drill the exterior holes. Once I laid down the interior bulkhead planks (lower layers at the deck level) I’d take into account the height of the deck/waterways and mark/drill the guide holes for the hawseholes on the interior side. Done. (I know...painting/etc. later can make predrilled holes difficult to work around. So what?...Tape/etc. deal with it. Better than drilling blind after you’ve done all the detail work on your stem!). Edited February 11, 2021 by Overworked724 WalrusGuy and Keithbrad80 2 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalrusGuy Posted February 11, 2021 Share #495 Posted February 11, 2021 1 hour ago, Overworked724 said: Hawseholes should be drilled as you plank the exterior. You can SEE what you are doing. If I knew then what I knew now...as soon as I laid down the wales, I’d drill the exterior holes. Once I laid down the interior bulkhead planks (lower layers at the deck level) I’d take into account the height of the deck/waterways and mark/drill the guide holes for the hawseholes on the interior side. Taking mental notes. I know I'll be using this technique in the future!! Thanks! Overworked724 1 Quote Current: USF Confederacy - Model Shipways (Build Log) HMS Pickle - Caldercraft (Build Log) Complete: Virgina 1819 - Artesania Latina (Gallery) U.S. Brig Syren - Model Shipways (Build Log, Gallery) On the shelf: Armed Virginia Sloop - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardG Posted February 11, 2021 Share #496 Posted February 11, 2021 40 minutes ago, Overworked724 said: RIght!??? I mean...come ON! New modelers need to have some idea of next steps after all the hull and deck planking, painting, etc. Suddenly....here...stop what you’re doing and drill four HUGE holes in the bow of your ship. Oh...and be symmetrical and don’t screw up. Enjoy your hobby. Peace out! ✌️ Really? 😳 My thought is a jig like this: You use the pin to hold the location on one side then locate and drill the hole using the pin vise on the other side. I think I'd initially put tape on the pin side and measure and mark the position. The drill side I'd just eyeball. I really like making jigs. If it wasn't so cold in my garage, I'd be tempted to go make one. I'll need hawse holes at some time in the future. WalrusGuy and Overworked724 1 1 Quote Richard Current Build: Early 19th Century US Revenue Cutter (Artesania Latina "Dallas" - messed about) Completed Build: Yakatabune - Japanese - Woody Joe mini Member: Nautical Research Guild & Midwest Model Shipwrights Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overworked724 Posted February 11, 2021 Author Share #497 Posted February 11, 2021 I was using a block as a drilling guide with a hole set at a specific angle. Correction...3 blocks! 2 were wrong angle. 😳 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardG Posted February 11, 2021 Share #498 Posted February 11, 2021 32 minutes ago, Overworked724 said: I was using a block as a drilling guide with a hole set at a specific angle. Correction...3 blocks! 2 were wrong angle. 😳 Everything would be much so easier but a lot less exciting if all ships were brick shaped. Overworked724 1 Quote Richard Current Build: Early 19th Century US Revenue Cutter (Artesania Latina "Dallas" - messed about) Completed Build: Yakatabune - Japanese - Woody Joe mini Member: Nautical Research Guild & Midwest Model Shipwrights Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overworked724 Posted February 11, 2021 Author Share #499 Posted February 11, 2021 3 hours ago, RichardG said: Everything would be much so easier but a lot less exciting if all ships were brick shaped. 🤣 But planking would be SO much easier!! Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overworked724 Posted February 11, 2021 Author Share #500 Posted February 11, 2021 (edited) Widening out the hawseholes...used cedar treenails to fill in the ‘oopsie’ guide holes on both sides. Put a touch of filler on the starboard side hole in the wale and sanded...easy touch up later when I paint the holes. Made double certain that the anchor cables (0.062” Syren rope) fits through all 4 holes. With the deck furnishings, bowsprit, etc. I’ll be surprised if the interior hawsehole details will even be noticed...but they turned out ok. I overestimated the height above the deck for sure...I think I was too afraid of scratching or roughing up my newly laid deck! ☺️ Glad to check this chore off the list. 😎 Moving on... Edited February 11, 2021 by Overworked724 Gahm, WalrusGuy, abelson and 4 others 7 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted February 11, 2021 Share #501 Posted February 11, 2021 Excellent job on the fix, Patrick. It looks great! Overworked724 1 Quote Current Build: HMS Winchelsea 1:48 (Group Project) Completed Builds: Virginia 1819 Artesania Latina - 1:41 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keithbrad80 Posted February 11, 2021 Share #502 Posted February 11, 2021 Awesome job! Bradley Overworked724 1 Quote Current Builds: Flying Fish - Model Shipways - 1:96 Future Builds: Young America 1853 - Scratch Build - 1:72 Completed Builds: HMS Racehorse - Mantua - 1:47 (No pictures unfortunately) Providence Whale Boat - Artesania Latina - 1:25 (Also no pictures) Lowell Grand Banks Dory - Model Shipways - 1:24 Shelved Builds: Pride of Baltimore 2 - Model Shipways - 1:64 (Also no pictures) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin P. Posted February 11, 2021 Share #503 Posted February 11, 2021 Nice recovery. Looks really great, and fun to see that rope run through. Its really coming alive. Overworked724 1 Quote Current: US Brig SYREN - Model Shipways - Scale 1:64 Completed: HMS TRITON - Cross Section - Scale 1:48 / Gallery Secret Vessel MOREL - Master Korabel - Scale 1:36 / Gallery 18th Century Armed Longboat - Model Shipways - Scale 1:24 / Gallery HMS BOUNTY Launch - Model Shipways - Scale 1:16 / Gallery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPDDET Posted February 11, 2021 Share #504 Posted February 11, 2021 Beautiful work as always, Patrick. Overworked724 1 Quote Current build: NRG Half Hull Previous build: MS Bluenose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overworked724 Posted February 12, 2021 Author Share #505 Posted February 12, 2021 @CPDDET @Justin P. @Keithbrad80 @Matt D @WalrusGuy Guys, thanks for the uplifting words! It always helps to hear after a minor bout of frustration. 🤣 WalrusGuy and Keithbrad80 2 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abelson Posted February 13, 2021 Share #506 Posted February 13, 2021 Nice rebound on fixing the hawes holes. I had a difficult time with this task too. I'm glad you checked that the 0.062” cables will pass. I didn't check mine and, consequently, had to ream the holes. In the process of doing that I damaged the hawes hole guides and had to re-do them. It's a learning process. Your ship looks great. Overworked724 1 Quote Steven E. Sylven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overworked724 Posted February 14, 2021 Author Share #507 Posted February 14, 2021 10 hours ago, abelson said: Nice rebound on fixing the hawes holes. I had a difficult time with this task too. I'm glad you checked that the 0.062” cables will pass. Thanks, Abe. Actually your build was in the back of my mind as I was widening the holes. 👍🏽 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overworked724 Posted February 14, 2021 Author Share #508 Posted February 14, 2021 Before I painted and touched up the hawseholes, I was trying to figure how best to shore up the garish view of the naked holes inboard. I know this can’t be historically accurate, but I opted to create a couple of fashion pieces from some scrap boxwood to border the entire hawseholes, rather than just the underside of them... Here is what I came up with...not yet stained/glued in...but passable. Interested in other opinions here... Just shooting from the hip on this one... abelson, JpR62, WalrusGuy and 1 other 4 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPDDET Posted February 14, 2021 Share #509 Posted February 14, 2021 Looks darn good to me. Overworked724 1 Quote Current build: NRG Half Hull Previous build: MS Bluenose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overworked724 Posted February 14, 2021 Author Share #510 Posted February 14, 2021 On 2/10/2021 at 7:33 PM, RichardG said: My thought is a jig like this: By the way...I think that is a good concept. 👍🏽 JpR62 1 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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