Nazir Posted October 19, 2019 Share #1 Posted October 19, 2019 (edited) Dear Folks: As a beginner, I am sure I will need advice. Over 50 years ago, in my twenties, I built a model ship (Golden Hind). After five decades, as a project to do with my grandson who is 6 I decided to build my second ship. At the advice of a salesperson I bought Occre's Albatross. When it arrived my wife said I should return it as it looked far too complicated. But my grandson started crying saying he had waited "so long" and wanted to start. So I relented and opened the kit. To say it looks like a daunting task would be an understatement . But I have decided to go ahead, recognizing it will take many months to complete. I also decided that until I am convinced that we will build more than one, I should minimize my front-end cost. To this end I have bought only the following tools: small hammer, sand block, glues and an exacta knife. Decided to forgo things like plank benders in favor of the soaking-in-water approaches and "pin pushers" in favor of hammers. Many of the videos on the web seemed to focus on models like HMS Beagle; very few on the Albatross. There are two questions I have for the "pros". One, can I get by with the few tools I listed and two, are there any videos or other resources that helped you in your first few projects that are in your view invaluable...any suggestions along these lines would be most welcome. Thx. Nazir Edited October 19, 2019 by Nazir typos JeffT, mtaylor, EricWilliamMarshall and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandpaPhil Posted October 19, 2019 Share #2 Posted October 19, 2019 (edited) Welcome! Albatross is a schooner, which means that it’s a great starting model. The hardest part, in my opinion, is just getting started. For planking help, I would recommend Chuck Passaro’s guides. The only tools that I would recommend buying as an absolute need, over what you have, would be a good pin vise and a razor saw. I would recommend carefully reading the instruction booklet and reviewing the plans. After that, start a build log and ask questions as you go. Edited October 19, 2019 by GrandpaPhil Bob Cleek, EricWilliamMarshall, Duanelaker and 3 others 6 Quote Building: 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships) On the building slip: 1:72 French Ironclad Magenta (original shipyard plans) On hold: 1:98 Mantua HMS Victory (kit bash), 1:96 Shipyard HMS Mercury Favorite finished builds: 1:60 Sampang Good Fortune (Amati plans), 1:200 Orel Ironclad Solferino, 1:72 Schooner Hannah (Hahn plans), 1:72 Privateer Prince de Neufchatel (Chapelle plans), Model Shipways Sultana, Heller La Reale, Encore USS Olympia Goal: Become better than I was yesterday "The hardest part is deciding to try." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted October 19, 2019 Share #3 Posted October 19, 2019 Hello Nazir, and a warm welcome to the forum from 'Down Under'. John Old Collingwood, mtaylor and JeffT 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted October 19, 2019 Share #4 Posted October 19, 2019 Welcome to MSW, Nazir. I would suggest you go here: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/17023-quick-find-indexes-to-build-logs-for-kits/ Click on "Wooden Ships" and download the index of all kit builds. You'll find Albatross has quite a few. They can help you get started as you'll see what's involved and where any problem areas are. Old Collingwood, JeffT and EricWilliamMarshall 3 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffT Posted October 20, 2019 Share #5 Posted October 20, 2019 Hi Nazir. Welcome to MSW mtaylor and Old Collingwood 2 Quote Jeff In progress: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Company -1/2" scale USS Constitution - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Granado - CAF Model - 1:48 HMS Sphinx - Vanguard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nazir Posted October 27, 2019 Author Share #6 Posted October 27, 2019 (edited) pls ignore Edited October 28, 2019 by Nazir left out stuff mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cavalcanti21 Posted November 19, 2019 Share #7 Posted November 19, 2019 Hey Welcome to this Community Old Collingwood and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Collingwood Posted November 20, 2019 Share #8 Posted November 20, 2019 Welcome nazir, your in good company here with skills as wide as the stars and knowledge that would fill many liberaries, feel at home take your time and just have fun. OC. mtaylor 1 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nazir Posted April 8, 2020 Author Share #9 Posted April 8, 2020 Hi Folks: I am about half way through my first build..the Albatross by Occre; it has been a lot of fun, though challenging and not what any of you will call a work of art after it is finished. But I am already looking for my next challenge and thinking of buying the Avos by Master Korabel. My 2 questions are 1. Will it be far too challenging? At 78 years old, I feel I do not have too much time to spend on the "beginner" kits so I thought I'd just plunge in...what do you experts think? Which of the many versions of Avos should I get? I was thinking of the + edition from Ages of Sail (its the only one they carry and I got the Albatross from them--they are very helpful)-- but the posting on the website says that because of the "pear wood" the model is meant for experienced modelers--not sure why the wood has anything to do with it. 2. While the model is within my budget, I want to be sure I know what other tools to get and add them to the cost before making a decision; all I have so far are an Exacta knife, a small hammer, some clamps, some sandpaper and some files (were already in my garage for general use). Will I need a dremel? a pin vise? a razor saw? a jewelers file? a plank bender? anything else? any thoughts of sources? anyone calling it quits and willing to sell me their tool shed?!! As always, you guys are amazing and have made me feel really good about my new hobby.... Nazir EricWilliamMarshall, mtaylor and Old Collingwood 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harlequin Posted April 8, 2020 Share #10 Posted April 8, 2020 jump straight in Nazir......you can pick tools up as and when you need them......I am a why cant I do it rather than can I do it bloke...….go for it is my advice. mtaylor and Old Collingwood 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted April 8, 2020 Share #11 Posted April 8, 2020 I'd say jump in also. The MK kits are well thought out. Also, open a build log as it's a great way to get help. Matrim and Old Collingwood 2 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPK Posted April 9, 2020 Share #12 Posted April 9, 2020 Hi Nazir, 1) The pear version (the X letter in the reference) of the Avos does not differ much from the non-pear version except for the material. But IF there is also a letter N (N - for nails) letter in the reference, that means that there are also nails engraved on the planking, making the planking process much more difficult. If you are a newbie, I suppose it is worth leaning to the non-nailed version. Also, the N-version is also not very widely available. 2) For the instruments it is necessary to have different small drill bits and a drill (a hand one is ok). 3) The main thing about selecting the right ship to build is that you should like it. You can consider other ships from Master-Korabel, I belive Ages of Sail carries them. For example MK0401 Phoenix has also a complete set of building videos with English subtitles (voice in Russian): Old Collingwood, Matrim, Duanelaker and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffT Posted April 9, 2020 Share #13 Posted April 9, 2020 I agree. Jump in and build the models you want to build. mtaylor and Old Collingwood 2 Quote Jeff In progress: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Company -1/2" scale USS Constitution - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Granado - CAF Model - 1:48 HMS Sphinx - Vanguard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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