AON Posted February 3, 2020 Author #31 Posted February 3, 2020 (edited) This post is in two parts. War is Hell. This story was related by a young man to his parents about a 'skirmish' with the French fleet. We jump into the letter in the midst of battle. well after the transcribed opening following directly... Kentish Gazette - Friday 20 June 1794 Copy of a letter from "William Knight, of the Brunswick, to his Father and Mother at Sandwich, dated Spithead the 12th of June, 1794 "I here send you the proceedings of Earl Howe's fleet...." Edited February 3, 2020 by AON paulsutcliffe, coxswain, davyboy and 6 others 9 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021)
AON Posted February 3, 2020 Author #32 Posted February 3, 2020 Part 2... Canute, uss frolick, paulsutcliffe and 8 others 11 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021)
AON Posted February 4, 2020 Author #33 Posted February 4, 2020 and these poor buggers just trying to get through a terrible day... (1795) allanyed, GrandpaPhil, thibaultron and 6 others 9 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021)
AON Posted February 4, 2020 Author #34 Posted February 4, 2020 if you weren't getting shot at there was a fortune to be made... thibaultron, druxey, bruce d and 5 others 8 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021)
AON Posted February 4, 2020 Author #35 Posted February 4, 2020 the loss of the Boyne in Plymouth harbour on the 1st of May 1795 davyboy, Canute, paulsutcliffe and 6 others 9 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021)
lmagna Posted February 4, 2020 #36 Posted February 4, 2020 Looks like a bad night for all concerned. Also looks like another case of British warships having loaded cannon when there really was no need. Still an enjoyable historical read. Canute, thibaultron and mtaylor 3 Quote Lou Build logs: Colonial sloop Providence 1/48th scale kit bashed from AL Independence Currant builds: Constructo Brigantine Sentinel (Union) (On hold) Minicraft 1/350 Titanic (For the Admiral) 1/350 Heavy Cruiser USS Houston (Resin) Currant research/scratchbuild: Schooner USS Lanikai/Hermes Non ship build log: 1/35th UH-1H Huey
AON Posted February 4, 2020 Author #37 Posted February 4, 2020 (edited) I wonder how difficult it was to disarm a loaded cannon. I've read in army manuals how they dealt with a misfire. I am certain the navy must have did the same thing, but could they not at the very least have rolled the ball out when they were coming into a friendly port? Edited February 4, 2020 by AON mtaylor, Canute and thibaultron 3 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021)
lmagna Posted February 5, 2020 #38 Posted February 5, 2020 1 hour ago, AON said: very least have rolled the ball out when they were coming into a friendly port? OR (Novel idea), just fired them off as gunnery practice before entering harbor! mtaylor, Canute, thibaultron and 1 other 4 Quote Lou Build logs: Colonial sloop Providence 1/48th scale kit bashed from AL Independence Currant builds: Constructo Brigantine Sentinel (Union) (On hold) Minicraft 1/350 Titanic (For the Admiral) 1/350 Heavy Cruiser USS Houston (Resin) Currant research/scratchbuild: Schooner USS Lanikai/Hermes Non ship build log: 1/35th UH-1H Huey
mtaylor Posted February 5, 2020 #39 Posted February 5, 2020 They'd worm the ball out and then use that shovel like tool used to insert the powder bag to remove it. Or maybe they would also as Lou says... a bit of gunnery practice. Reading that report... I can guess the admiral was rather ticked off since the fire started there. AON, lmagna, thibaultron and 1 other 4 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
AON Posted February 5, 2020 Author #40 Posted February 5, 2020 sometimes they couldn't even report for duty (1790) mtaylor, paulsutcliffe, lmagna and 6 others 9 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021)
AON Posted February 5, 2020 Author #41 Posted February 5, 2020 Apparently Nelson's report on the victory of the Battle of the Nile almost didn't get delivered.... (1798) Canute, mtaylor, paulsutcliffe and 3 others 6 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021)
AON Posted February 5, 2020 Author #42 Posted February 5, 2020 jealous???? bruce d, paulsutcliffe, Canute and 4 others 7 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021)
AON Posted February 5, 2020 Author #43 Posted February 5, 2020 and then some heart... (1793) druxey, thibaultron, GrandpaPhil and 5 others 8 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021)
AON Posted February 6, 2020 Author #44 Posted February 6, 2020 The destruction of the Queen Charlotte (1800) caused by a single match, a breeze, and a stack of hay. I've also read in another paper that although rated as 110 guns she actually had 120. GrandpaPhil, paulsutcliffe, davyboy and 6 others 9 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021)
druxey Posted February 6, 2020 #45 Posted February 6, 2020 'Trumpet' here (post #43) is not the brass instrument, but the man who was a trumpeter! Later (1811) the post of trumpet major was instituted. Thomas Hardy wrote a novel of that name. I had to read that in school and it was deadly dull! AON, thibaultron, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv
AON Posted February 6, 2020 Author #46 Posted February 6, 2020 (1800) punishment fitting the crime? Ouch. I guess it made others think twice. Canute, GrandpaPhil, mtaylor and 5 others 8 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021)
lmagna Posted February 6, 2020 #47 Posted February 6, 2020 I wonder if Hilton survived 500 lashes? davyboy, thibaultron, Canute and 1 other 4 Quote Lou Build logs: Colonial sloop Providence 1/48th scale kit bashed from AL Independence Currant builds: Constructo Brigantine Sentinel (Union) (On hold) Minicraft 1/350 Titanic (For the Admiral) 1/350 Heavy Cruiser USS Houston (Resin) Currant research/scratchbuild: Schooner USS Lanikai/Hermes Non ship build log: 1/35th UH-1H Huey
AON Posted February 6, 2020 Author #48 Posted February 6, 2020 What is interesting about this article is the figure carved was said to be the last prior to the cut backs that resulted in less ornamental, and more importantly, less costly carvings. 23 June 1800 GrandpaPhil, bruce d, thibaultron and 5 others 8 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021)
AON Posted February 7, 2020 Author #49 Posted February 7, 2020 Prior to e-mail was snail mail before that was the proverbial message in a bottle (AND NOW THE SONG IS STUCK IN MY HEAD) bruce d, davyboy, Canute and 7 others 10 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021)
AON Posted February 7, 2020 Author #50 Posted February 7, 2020 a substitution for HEMP cordage is discovered..... and the list of officers gets even more inflated. (1801) davyboy, druxey, GrandpaPhil and 5 others 8 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021)
druxey Posted February 7, 2020 #51 Posted February 7, 2020 From the RMG Collections site. Unfortunately the image is not available: DIC0047 Description Scale: 1:48. Plan showing the bow, headrails and figurehead for Centaur (1797), a 74-gun Third Rate, two-decker. The colour washed figurehead depicts a full-length centaur rearing up on his hind legs with a raised club in his right hand. A cloak, reminiscent of a horse’s mane, cascades down his back and over his flanks. The trail-board includes a conical quiver of arrows and a bow, surrounded by oak leaves and acorns. Signed by John Marshall [Master Shipwright, Plymouth Dockyard, 1795-1801]. This could be one of a number of proposals for the Centaur’s figurehead as the top left includes the annotation ‘No. 1’. See sketch DIC0080 for unsigned and undated version of this sketch, and sketch DIC0001 for a possible port side version. Date made 1 July 1800 GrandpaPhil, AON, bruce d and 3 others 6 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv
AON Posted February 8, 2020 Author #52 Posted February 8, 2020 (edited) This one was mis-labelled as 7 July 1801 but when opened it was realized to be 24 Sept 1795 It has a special meaning for me, as I had spent 5 summers on Vancouver Island, and earned my sailing and pulling cox'n papers in my third summer out their. Edited February 12, 2020 by AON thibaultron, bruce d, druxey and 4 others 7 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021)
AON Posted February 8, 2020 Author #53 Posted February 8, 2020 YIKES!!! (1801) GrandpaPhil, Canute, mtaylor and 3 others 6 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021)
GrandpaPhil Posted February 8, 2020 #54 Posted February 8, 2020 Interesting reading. Thank you for posting these. davyboy, mtaylor, AON and 3 others 6 Quote Building: 1:200 Russian Battleship Oryol (Orel card kit) 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships)
AON Posted February 11, 2020 Author #55 Posted February 11, 2020 Ah, nothing like a little scurvy to top off some surviving a lightening strike bruce d, druxey, thibaultron and 4 others 7 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021)
AON Posted February 11, 2020 Author #56 Posted February 11, 2020 ARGH, there be a mutiny aboard her druxey, mtaylor, paulsutcliffe and 5 others 8 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021)
bruce d Posted February 11, 2020 #57 Posted February 11, 2020 Alan, this is great stuff. Thanks and please keep it coming! Bruce davyboy, AON, thibaultron and 3 others 6 Quote 🌻 STAY SAFE A model shipwright and an amateur historian are heads & tails of the same coin current builds: HMS Berwick 1775, 1/192 scratchbuild; a Slade 74 in the Navy Board style Mediator sloop, 1/48 - an 18th century transport scratchbuild French longboat - CAF - 1/48, on hold
AON Posted February 12, 2020 Author #58 Posted February 12, 2020 Life is like that, eventually you either are no longer needed or worse, outlast your usefulness (1802) paulsutcliffe, GrandpaPhil, druxey and 3 others 6 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021)
AON Posted February 12, 2020 Author #59 Posted February 12, 2020 ...and along the same train of thought... times were harder then. (1802) lmagna, Canute, paulsutcliffe and 3 others 6 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021)
AON Posted February 12, 2020 Author #60 Posted February 12, 2020 Surviving hurricane winds on the Grand Banks off Newfoundland (1802) bruce d, paulsutcliffe, druxey and 4 others 7 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021)
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