Jim Lad Posted March 12, 2020 Share #1 Posted March 12, 2020 A few photos of relics from HMS 'Sirius' which was wrecked at Norfolk island on 19th March, 1790. These were taken on our recent trip to the island. First, the site of the wreck. The remains of Sirius lie scattered on the reef in the breakers directly in line with the mountain peak on the island. In case you didn't think that Sirius was coppered, these are the remains of some of her copper plating. Of general interest, two bronze pump chambers. A badly twisted horseshoe plate from the bow. Pintles and gudgeons and the spectacle plate A carronade showing distress from being pounded n the reef for two centuries. I must say I was surprised by the shortness of this weapon - much shorter than later ones. A tampion which was found still secure in the carronade barrel. The gunner's mate certainly knew his work! Lastly, and of interest to all builders of late 18th century models, a shackle and chain link. DelF, allanyed, Edwardkenway and 12 others 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapman Posted March 12, 2020 Share #2 Posted March 12, 2020 Yes, this very early trunnion carronade is most remarkable on a wreck from 1810. I would not have thought that this type of Carronade was still actively used on a frigate around 1810. Is it possible to add a photo from behind? Thank you for sharing.👍 mtaylor, druxey and uss frolick 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Ensign Posted March 12, 2020 Share #3 Posted March 12, 2020 Interesting set of photo's Jim, thanks for posting them. B.E. mtaylor 1 Quote Current Build: HMS Indefatigable-1794-by-blue-ensign-vanguard-models-164-scale Medway-longboat-1742-by-blue-ensign-½”-scale Completed builds: HMS Sphinx 1775 by Blue Ensign. 1:64 scale - Vanguard Models Queen-Anne-Royal-Barge-circa-1700-by-Blue-Ensign Fifie fishing boat Lady Eleanor Muirneag-1903-–-a-scottish-zulu-fishing-boat-164-scale-based-on-the-vanguard-models-zulu-kit/ HM Cutter Alert 1777 HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 18th-century-English-longboat-by-Blue-Ensign-ms-148-scale/ finished 18thc English Pinnace by Blue Ensign-Model-Shipways-1:24 scale/ finished HMS-Pegasus-by-Blue-Ensign-finished-Victory-Models-1:64-scale/ Heller Seventy-four 1:150 scale - modified Le Superbe/Le Glorieux kit after Boudriot, waterline setting with sails. The schooner Pickle, Jotika pob kit 1:64 scale, my interpretation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allanyed Posted March 12, 2020 Share #4 Posted March 12, 2020 Thanks for sharing these. How does one get to Norfolk Island? Looking at maps, it seems to be rather small and quite a distance from both NZ and Australia. Allan Clark and mtaylor 2 Quote PLEASE take 30 SECONDS and sign up for the epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series. Click on http://trafalgar.tv There is no cost other than the 30 seconds of your time. THANK YOU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uss frolick Posted March 12, 2020 Share #5 Posted March 12, 2020 (edited) The Norfolk Island British Frigate Sirius wrecked in 1790, so the old style trunnioned carronades are appropriate. The other British frigate called Sirius wrecked on Mauritius Island at the Battle of Port Southeast in 1810, as portrayed in Patrick O'Brien's novel, The Mauritius Command. From Wiki Sirius sailed from [[The Motherbank, Ryde, Isle of Wight] on 13 May 1787 as the flagship of the eleven-vessel First Fleet, under the command of Captain Arthur Phillip (Governor-designate of the new colony). Phillip transferred to the Armed Tender HMS Supplyat Cape Town,[7] with Second Captain John Hunter[8] remaining in command of Sirius. Also on board were Royal Marine Major Robert Ross, who would be responsible for colony security and surgeons George Bouchier Worgan and Thomas Jamison. Midshipman Daniel Southwell recorded that Sirius was carrying the Larcum Kendall K1 chronometer used by Captain James Cook on his second and third voyages around the world.[9] She arrived in Botany Bay on 20 January 1788, two days after Supply, according to the journals of Hunter[10] and First Lieutenant (later Rear Admiral) William Bradley[11] [12] The 252-day voyage had gone via Rio de Janeiro and the Cape of Good Hope and covered more than 15,000 miles (24,000 km). It was quickly decided that Botany Bay was unsuitable for a penal settlement and an alternative location was sought. While waiting to move, a large gale arose preventing any sailing; during this period the French expeditionary fleet of Jean-François de Galaup, comte de Lapérousearrived in Botany Bay. The colony was established at Sydney Cove in Port Jackson when Governor Phillip arrived on 26 January aboard Supply. Sirius arrived the following day.[13] The British cordially received the French. Sirius's captains, through their officers, offered assistance and asked if Lapérouse needed supplies. However the French leader and the British commanders never met personally. Lapérouse also took the opportunity to send his journals, some charts and some letters back to Europe with Sirius. After obtaining wood and fresh water, the French left on 10 March for New Caledonia, Santa Cruz, the Solomons, the Louisiades, and the western and southern coasts of Australia. The French fleet and all on board were never seen again. The documents carried by Sirius would be its only testament. Decades later it was discovered that Lapérouse's expedition had been shipwrecked on the island of Vanikoro. Sirius left Port Jackson under the command of Hunter on 2 October 1788,[8] when she was sent back to the Cape of Good Hope to get flour and other supplies. The complete voyage, which took more than seven months to complete, returned just in time to save the near-starving colony. In 1789, she was refitted in Mosman Bay, which was originally named Great Sirius Cove after the vessel. The name lives on in the adjacent Sirius Cove (formerly "Little Sirius Cove").[14] On 19 March 1790, Sirius was wrecked on a reef at Norfolk Island while landing stores. Among those who witnessed the ship's demise from shore was Thomas Jamison, the surgeon for the penal settlement. Jamison would eventually become Surgeon-General of New South Wales. Sirius's crew was stranded on Norfolk Island until they were rescued on 21 February 1791. Hunter returned to England aboard Waaksamheid where he faced court martial and was honourably acquitted. He was appointed as Phillip's successor as Governor of New South Wales in February 1795, though he did not return to the colony until September.[8] One of the sailors on Sirius, Jacob Nagle, wrote a first-hand account of the ship's last voyage, wreck, and the crew's stranding.[15] With the settlement in New South Wales still on the brink of starvation, the loss of Sirius left the colonists with only one supply ship. Edited March 12, 2020 by uss frolick Chapman, druxey and mtaylor 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapman Posted March 12, 2020 Share #6 Posted March 12, 2020 Frolick you are right, of course Sirius ex Berwick, my mistake. That naturally explains the early carronades. I would have found it almost more exciting if it had been the Mauritius Sirius. uss frolick and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dowmer Posted March 12, 2020 Share #7 Posted March 12, 2020 Chapman, There is a build thread of the Sirius from 1810 here on MSW. The builder “Paul” has connections or was part of the excavation and he has pictures of some of the artifacts of the ship in his build. Heres the link HMS SIRIUS - 1810 jchbeiner, mtaylor and Chapman 3 Quote Able bodied seaman, subject to the requirements of the service. "I may very well sink, but I'm damned if I'll Strike!" JPJ My Pacific Northwest Discovery Series: On the slipways in the lumberyard Union, 1792 - 1:48 scale - POF Scratch build 18th Century Longboat - circa 1790 as used in the PNW fur trade - FINISHED Future Builds (Wish List) Columbia Redidiva, 1787 HM Armed Tender Chatham, 1788 HMS Discovery, 1789 Captain Vancouver Santiago, 1775 - Spanish Frigate of Explorer Bruno de Hezeta Lady Washington, 1787 - Original Sloop Rig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulsutcliffe Posted March 12, 2020 Share #8 Posted March 12, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Chapman said: I would have found it almost more exciting if it had been the Mauritius Sirius. Hi Chapman, if you are interested in the Mauritius sirius please visit my log in my signature below, where I have pictures of archaeology from Mauritius and my build of the 1796 Syrius Regards Paul Thanks Dowmer, beat me by one minute😁 Edited March 12, 2020 by paulsutcliffe Chapman 1 Quote The clerk of the cheque's yacht of sheerness Current build HMS Sirius (1797) 1:48 scratch POF from NMM plans HMS Winchelsea by chuck 1:48 Cutter cheerful by chuck 1:48 Previous builds- Elidir - Thames steam barge Cutty Sark-Billings boats Wasa - billings boats Among others 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted March 12, 2020 Author Share #9 Posted March 12, 2020 Chapman, this is the only other photo of the carronade I have. Alan, Air New Zealand have regular flights to Norfolk Island from Sydney, Brisbane and Auckland. John mtaylor, allanyed, GrandpaPhil and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uss frolick Posted March 12, 2020 Share #10 Posted March 12, 2020 (edited) Paul Sutcliffe, what, if anything, remains of the wreck of HBM Frigate Magicienne, 32, blown up in the same battle? Edited March 12, 2020 by uss frolick mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapman Posted March 13, 2020 Share #11 Posted March 13, 2020 13 hours ago, Jim Lad said: Chapman, this is the only other photo of the carronade I have. Alan, Air New Zealand have regular flights to Norfolk Island from Sydney, Brisbane and Auckland. John Thank you for the photo, the gun looks as dangerous as it was. mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapman Posted March 13, 2020 Share #12 Posted March 13, 2020 (edited) 14 hours ago, Dowmer said: Chapman, There is a build thread of the Sirius from 1810 here on MSW. The builder “Paul” has connections or was part of the excavation and he has pictures of some of the artifacts of the ship in his build. Heres the link HMS SIRIUS - 1810 14 hours ago, paulsutcliffe said: Hi Chapman, if you are interested in the Mauritius sirius please visit my log in my signature below, where I have pictures of archaeology from Mauritius and my build of the 1796 Syrius Regards Paul Thanks Dowmer, beat me by one minute😁 Thank you guys, I didn't have the building report on the radar. I'll take a look over there. Edited March 13, 2020 by Chapman mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulsutcliffe Posted March 13, 2020 Share #13 Posted March 13, 2020 21 hours ago, uss frolick said: Paul Sutcliffe, what, if anything, remains of the wreck of HBM Frigate Magicienne, 32, blown up in the same battle? Hi Frolick Im not sure anything has been found of the HMS magicienne, the team over there are currently working on the East Indiaman St Geran (1744) and the pirate ship Speaker (1702) I believe, but they are near to producing a shipwreck database which may give some more information, I will let you know when/if I hear anything. Regards Paul mtaylor 1 Quote The clerk of the cheque's yacht of sheerness Current build HMS Sirius (1797) 1:48 scratch POF from NMM plans HMS Winchelsea by chuck 1:48 Cutter cheerful by chuck 1:48 Previous builds- Elidir - Thames steam barge Cutty Sark-Billings boats Wasa - billings boats Among others 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulsutcliffe Posted March 13, 2020 Share #14 Posted March 13, 2020 7 hours ago, Chapman said: Thank you for the photo, the gun looks as dangerous as it was. Sirius 1796 carronades underwater mtaylor, GrandpaPhil, Chapman and 1 other 4 Quote The clerk of the cheque's yacht of sheerness Current build HMS Sirius (1797) 1:48 scratch POF from NMM plans HMS Winchelsea by chuck 1:48 Cutter cheerful by chuck 1:48 Previous builds- Elidir - Thames steam barge Cutty Sark-Billings boats Wasa - billings boats Among others 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirabell61 Posted March 14, 2020 Share #15 Posted March 14, 2020 many thanks for sharing this set of photos Jim... Nils mtaylor and Jim Lad 2 Quote Current builds -Lightship Elbe 1 Completed - Steamship Ergenstrasse ex Laker Corsicana 1918- scale 1:87 scratchbuild - "Zeesboot" heritage wooden fishing small craft around 1870, POB clinker scratch build scale 1:24 - Pilot Schooner # 5 ELBE ex Wanderbird, scale 1:50 scratchbuild - Mississippi Sterwheelsteamer built as christmapresent for grandson modified kit build - Chebec "Eagle of Algier" 1753--scale 1:48-POB-(scratchbuild) "SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, blue ribbond awarded, 1:144 (scratchbuild) "HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan -"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96 (scratchbuild) -"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild) "Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild) original was my grandfathers ship -"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50 "Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, fictive design (scratchbuild), scale appr. 1:32 under restoration / restoration finished "Hjejlen" steam paddlewheeler, 1861, Billings Boats rare old kit, scale 1:50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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