pirozzi Posted February 23, 2013 Author Share #61 Posted February 23, 2013 I finished all of the crowsnests and laid them out on the plans in the positions they will go on the masts. Vince P. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirozzi Posted February 23, 2013 Author Share #62 Posted February 23, 2013 I found an issue with the crowsnests. Except for the fore and main lower tops, all the rest had no openings for the shrouds to be lashed to the masts. The square holes in the tops are too small and when the trees are positioned, there is no overlap of the holes on the sides.The first photo shows a bad one and the next a good one. The third shows slots that had to be cut to pass the shroud lines. This is just one of many errors in the plans. Obviously, if the tops were placed on the masts before noticing this, it would be a nightmare to fix. Vince P. cristikc, JesseLee and jim mclay 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted February 23, 2013 Share #63 Posted February 23, 2013 I too remember this build. Looking forward to seeing the rest of it. Beautiful work, Vince. Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirozzi Posted February 23, 2013 Author Share #64 Posted February 23, 2013 Working on the bowsprit. Tapered it down and finished it with a clear natural stain since the actual walnut color of the wood is perfect as is. I wrapped the wooldings with 1.0mm black cord. I used a self tightening wrap that does not need knots and comes out nice and even. The upright brackets for the spritsail top mast is also lashed in place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirozzi Posted February 23, 2013 Author Share #65 Posted February 23, 2013 The bowsprit mounted on the ship with the little house and ornament to cover the passthrough hole. cristikc and JesseLee 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirozzi Posted February 23, 2013 Author Share #66 Posted February 23, 2013 The lashings for the stays and rigging on the bowsprit. The rigging as detailed by the plans is very limited and does not represent the actual rigging that would appear on a ship of this type for the period. I used "The English Treatise of Rigging 1625" to come up with a more realistic rigging plan. From here on in, the rigging shown will represent what the treatise recommends and not the kit plans. Vince P. Vinnie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirozzi Posted February 23, 2013 Author Share #67 Posted February 23, 2013 The gammoning for securing the bowsprit. The plans call for using 1.0mm cord for the main wraps, and 0.5mm for the cross wraps. The actual gammoning on ships was done with a single piece of rope. I used a single piece of 1.0mm black cord and wrapped it using the self tightening arrangement illustrated in a rigging book I bought on how to rig ships of this period. Vince P. Vinnie, JesseLee and cristikc 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirozzi Posted February 23, 2013 Author Share #68 Posted February 23, 2013 Construction and adding the spritsail top mast to the bowsprit. There are 2 yards to add as well, but I will not add these until the foremast is in place and all of the stays and running rigging related to it are completed first. One thing to note: The topmast has 2 lashings to the upright support bracket attached to the bowsprit. Only complete the lower lashing before placing the crowsnest because the opening in the tree will not fit over the top lashing. Once the crowsnest is in place and glued down, add the upper lashing. It is somewhat of a pain to do the lashing through the ribs of the crowsnest, but there really is no other way. Vince P. JesseLee and cristikc 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricky146 Posted February 23, 2013 Share #69 Posted February 23, 2013 Beautiful work! A real inspiration. The attention to detail is great. It is a model I have looked at several times but always come up with some excuse not to tackle it - might have to take the plunge soon though. Quote Ricky Current Builds Titanic - Mantua Victory - Mantua Completed Builds Norske Love - Billings Bluenose - Billings Danmark - Billings Riva Aquarama - Scratch Plus literally hundreds of others over a 55 year period Planned Neechiemose - scratch build of my 50 ft ketch in my avatar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keelhauled Posted February 24, 2013 Share #70 Posted February 24, 2013 She looks great. Awesome job! alan baker 1 Quote Currently building the Cutty Sark http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/1000-cutty-sark-by-keelhauled-mantua-kit-bashed-first-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riverboat Posted February 24, 2013 Share #71 Posted February 24, 2013 Just a couple words..... Nicely Done!!.......... Frank Quote completed build: Delta River Co. Riverboat HMAT SUPPLY USRC "ALERT" in progress: Red Dragon (Chinese junk) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirozzi Posted February 24, 2013 Author Share #72 Posted February 24, 2013 Starting on the foremast construction. As previously mentioned, I added ties and halliards to hoist and lower the lower yards. In order to attach the ties to the lower yards, the lines have to pass through a fair lead someplace just below the mast tops. Ships of the period had "cheeks" attaached to the tops of the lower mast section on each side and just below the trees. The ties passed through these cheeks and down to the yards from the front and to the halliards from the rear. I made some cheeks out of some scrap lumber and placed them in position. Vince P. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirozzi Posted February 24, 2013 Author Share #73 Posted February 24, 2013 Building the upper sections of the mast. As this thing grows it is getting much taller then I had thought it would. I am not sure where I can fit it after it is completed. Vince P. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirozzi Posted February 24, 2013 Author Share #74 Posted February 24, 2013 Rigging the upper shrouds, deadeys and lanyards. You can now see how tall this is. I am going to construct the entire masts and attach all of the yards, sails, and running rigging before setting the masts on the ship. It is much easier to get around to make all of the attachments and tie all of the knots without the ship in the way. Vince P. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xavjar Posted February 24, 2013 Share #75 Posted February 24, 2013 First rate craftsmanship on display from you Vince, your builds a joy to see, Cheers Phil, Quote Current Build: HMS Victory 1:84 YNWA Cheers Phil, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirozzi Posted February 25, 2013 Author Share #76 Posted February 25, 2013 Placing the foresail yard with all of the blocks and footropes installed. Vince P. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirozzi Posted February 25, 2013 Author Share #77 Posted February 25, 2013 (edited) The kit does not include parrels but I thought it would make a nice addition. I bought parrel kits from Amati. They were a chore to thread and rig, but came out nice after installing. Vince P. Edited February 25, 2013 by Vince P. JesseLee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirozzi Posted February 25, 2013 Author Share #78 Posted February 25, 2013 Hanging the foresail with the earings. It is important to stretch the sail between the earings so it won't bunch up on the yard when stitching the lacing. Vince P. JesseLee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirozzi Posted February 25, 2013 Author Share #79 Posted February 25, 2013 Nice job. I too have found that Mantua's research is very flawed and especially the rigging is very bad. I have this model and will be starting it after I finish their "Le Soliel Royal". The one I am doing seems to be a better kit and does not omit some of the things like lifeboats. I had problems with their fittings like you did. However, since I am not an artist or a machinist, I am very greatful that they make all the fittings and that we can purchase quality fitting from different suppliers. You comments on the insufficiencies of the kit will be very helpful. According to James Septon's book "Sovereign of the Seas", the kit is a good representation of the actual ship. What books are you using for building this? Hi Gary, I have several books, but rely on two mostly. "Anatomy of Nelson's ships" which has much info on English ships in general, and "The Rigging of Ships in the Days of the Spritsail Topmast, 1600-1720" by R.C. Anderson. This book has all you will ever need to rig a ship in the pewriod of the SOS. It even makes reference to the actual SOS itself. I am using this for the main references for making the rigging as complete and accurate as possible. Vince P. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirozzi Posted February 25, 2013 Author Share #80 Posted February 25, 2013 The foresail after appying the lacing stitches. Vince P. JesseLee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirozzi Posted February 25, 2013 Author Share #81 Posted February 25, 2013 Foresail with running rigging on the sail completed. Vince P. JesseLee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirozzi Posted February 25, 2013 Author Share #82 Posted February 25, 2013 Fore topsail yard in place. Vince P. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirozzi Posted February 25, 2013 Author Share #83 Posted February 25, 2013 Fore topsail with running rigging at the sail completed. ** OK, my build log is up to date again. The postings will come slower now because I have to do some building between posts. Vince P. JesseLee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirozzi Posted February 26, 2013 Author Share #84 Posted February 26, 2013 I noticed that you have footrope and stirups. Footropes only came in use after 1640 and only on the lower masts. for the topsail after 1680 and the rest after 1700. Flemish horses only on the main mast started in 1670. Are these the Mantua Sails for this ship? Nice job of rigging them on the yards. The rigging plans for Mantua contain so many errors. I am building the "Le Soleil Royal" and the rigging plans are wrong in so many areas. If you want to see my comments on the corrections I have made so far, it is on the shipofscale web site. Hi Gary, The sails are the kit I bought from Mantua. I am using the book by R. C. Anderson for the rigging. The SOS was built around 1637 and modified and redesigned several times after that. It mentions using footropes on the lower and top masts. There are some great websites with photos of completed models. I am taking some info from them as well. Thanks, Vince Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirozzi Posted February 26, 2013 Author Share #85 Posted February 26, 2013 Fore top gallant yard in place. Still have to lash it to mast and then hang sail. According to the rigging manual, there were no foot ropes on these upper yards. Vince P. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clipper Posted February 26, 2013 Share #86 Posted February 26, 2013 Hi guys, just a quick question from a newby, I can accept the fact that there were no footropes at points of time in history on these ships, so how did the sailors manage to take in / reef sails?. Must have been a bit dicey I would have thought tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirozzi Posted February 26, 2013 Author Share #87 Posted February 26, 2013 Hi guys, just a quick question from a newby, I can accept the fact that there were no footropes at points of time in history on these ships, so how did the sailors manage to take in / reef sails?. Must have been a bit dicey I would have thought tony Probably so. I guess that is why they added them later on. I certainly wouldn't go out on those yards, especially in heavy seas. Vince P. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
likenu2 Posted February 27, 2013 Share #88 Posted February 27, 2013 Vince, how did you bend the gun portholes on the 3 triple curved walls on the deck? We tried it as it shows in the book by putting it in a vice and trying to tap it with a hammer. Do you have any suggestions? Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirozzi Posted February 27, 2013 Author Share #89 Posted February 27, 2013 Vince, how did you bend the gun portholes on the 3 triple curved walls on the deck? We tried it as it shows in the book by putting it in a vice and trying to tap it with a hammer. Do you have any suggestions? Joe I actually tried to bend them too by hammering them. They are too thick. I finnaly just put them in without bending them at all and they look OK as is. Vince P. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirozzi Posted February 28, 2013 Author Share #90 Posted February 28, 2013 Fore topgallant sail set and rigged. As you can see, the amount of rigging lines going down to the deck is getting impressive and I have not even set the royal yet. It is a good thing I inceased the amount of belaying pins and cleets from what the kit recommended. There is no way there would have been enough and I may even get close anyway. Vince Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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