Termi Posted April 12, 2020 #1 Posted April 12, 2020 Hello everyone. I am fairly new to wooden model ship building so I'm full of questions, sorry. I have just finished building after a fair amount of time the ARTESANIA King of the Mississippi 2 Steamboat. Now I am ready to tackle Corel HMS Neptune. Do any of you have any comments good or bad on Corel Models. Thanks EricWilliamMarshall, mtaylor, ccoyle and 2 others 5 Quote
mtaylor Posted April 12, 2020 #2 Posted April 12, 2020 Welcome to MSW. Sorry I can't answer your question as I've never done a Corel model. JeffT and Edwardkenway 2 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
Edwardkenway Posted April 12, 2020 #3 Posted April 12, 2020 Same as above, but someone here will be able to help 👍😁 JeffT and mtaylor 2 Quote Current builds; Henry Ramey Upcher 1:25 - on hold HMS Winchelsea 1764 1:48 Completed: HM Cutter Sherbourne- 1:64 - FINISHED Triton cross section scratch- 1:60 - FINISHED Providence whaleboat- 1:25 - FINISHED Non ship: SBD-3 Dauntless 1:48 Hasegawa -FINISHED
Jim Lad Posted April 12, 2020 #4 Posted April 12, 2020 Hello Termi, and a warm welcome to the forum from 'Down Under'. John JeffT and mtaylor 2 Quote
markjay Posted April 12, 2020 #5 Posted April 12, 2020 JeffT and mtaylor 2 Quote Mark Phoenix, AZ Current builds; Previous builds, in rough order of execution; Shipjack, Peterbrough Canoe, Flying Fish, Half Moon, Britannia racing sloop, Whale boat, Bluenose, Picket boat, Viking longboat, Atlantic, Fair American, Mary Taylor, half hull Enterprise, Hacchoro, HMS Fly, Khufu Solar Boat. On the shelf; Royal Barge, Jefferson Davis.
GrandpaPhil Posted April 12, 2020 #6 Posted April 12, 2020 Welcome! JeffT 1 Quote Building: 1:200 Russian Battleship Oryol (Orel card kit) 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships)
ccoyle Posted April 13, 2020 #7 Posted April 13, 2020 Hello, Termi. I have only built one Corel kit, their schooner Flying Fish, which I bashed as Jack London's Ghost for a teacher friend to use as a visual aid when doing a unit on The Sea-Wolf. It was truly an awful kit with a long list of issues. However, I have heard members speak well of higher-end Corel kits -- I guess it's one of those "get what you pay for" things. Edwardkenway, Termi and JeffT 3 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, TBD
Moab Posted April 13, 2020 #8 Posted April 13, 2020 Welcome aboard Termi...Moab JeffT 1 Quote Completed Builds: Virginia Armed Sloop...Model Shipways Ranger...Corel Louise Steam Launch...Constructo Hansa Kogge...Dusek Yankee Hero...BlueJacket Spray...BlueJacket 26’ Long Boat...Model Shipways Under Construction: Emma C. Berry...Model Shipways
JeffT Posted April 13, 2020 #9 Posted April 13, 2020 Welcome to MSW Quote Jeff In progress: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Company -1/2" scale USS Constitution - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Granado - CAF Model - 1:48 HMS Sphinx - Vanguard
EricWilliamMarshall Posted April 14, 2020 #10 Posted April 14, 2020 Welcome aboard! This might be of interest: Termi and mtaylor 2 Quote Current adventures: USS Perry of 1843, model kit by Bluejacket - Scale 1:96 Lost at Sea: Dapper Tom - model kit by Model Shipways Previous adventures: an English Pinnace, model kit by Model Shipways, Opium Smuggler Schooner Yacht 1805, model kit by Authentic Holland Models Chesapeake Bay Flattie, model kit by Midwest, USS Constitution, model kit by Revell Albatros 1912, card model kit by HMV
Termi Posted April 14, 2020 Author #11 Posted April 14, 2020 Hi all and thanks for the welcome messages and tips. The problem I'm finding with the Corel HMS Neptune is constructing the the hull. Firstly the 'ribs' took some file work to make them fit to the keel. Secondly now they are in place but not glued the top levels vary slightly: Question is do I file down the high ones or pack up the low ones so the decks sit properly? I don't want to throw out the rest of the building process. Secondly I have a rib that is slightly smaller in width than the others which could be a problem when blanking. Maybe I've picked a duff kit, hey ho I'll bash on regardless. As you can guess I could do with your expert help and advice. mtaylor 1 Quote
mtaylor Posted April 14, 2020 #12 Posted April 14, 2020 Once the ribs are in the places they need to be, and glued, you'll need to "fair" it. Use a long sanding stick or block and a have a piece of the planking handy. Sand lightly, not aggressively, such that the plank lies well on each bulkhead. Also, open a build log so others can follow along and offer advice when needed. EricWilliamMarshall and Termi 2 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
Termi Posted April 15, 2020 Author #13 Posted April 15, 2020 Thank you Bilge Rat for that info, much appreciated. Quote
Louie da fly Posted April 15, 2020 #14 Posted April 15, 2020 The problems you've come across are not at all unusual with kits. Wood warps, shrinks etc, and kit parts aren't necessarily perfectly made in the first place. Apparently Corel, unlike most other kitmakers today, still has its cutting done by hand rather than by laser. How much variation (in inches or millimeters) is there in the height of the frames (ribs)? I'm not familiar with the kit, so can't give a definitive answer, but if the difference is very small it shouldn't matter whether you cut down the high ones or pack the low ones to be higher. However, maybe you should check whether you can see anything in the drawings that might show whether you have any critical clearances, that changing the deck height might affect. I've just checked images of the model - that's a nice looking ship, by the way. Deck height would perhaps affect the height of the upper gunports - but you can probably adjust all that as you do your planking, as long as you are aware of it in advance as a potential problem. Also, just check that your keel is straight - often a problem in kits (it can be fixed, however if it's not too severe). Good luck with it, and do put up a build log. A lot of very helpful people on this forum. I've sent you a PM which I hope will help. Steven Termi and mtaylor 2 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler La Lomellina - Theoretical Reconstruction of a Genoese carrack sunk in 1516 FINISHED Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht
Cathead Posted April 15, 2020 #15 Posted April 15, 2020 As you asked, I have built one Corel kit and swore never to again as I found the instructions, materials, and kit design rather poor and frustrating. However, there is no doubt that even a bad kit can be completeted successfully and attractively with enough perseverence, patience, and research into the necessary skills to overcome its flaws. So keep at it if you really like this particular prototype. As others have said, starting a proper build log is likely the best way to get ongoing help with your build. mtaylor 1 Quote Eric Missouri River craft (scratchbuilt): 1893 steamboat Peerless; 1853 steamboat Arabia; 1865 steamboat Bertrand; Lewis & Clark barge; keelboat; 1876 steamboat Far West; Nautical builds (kits): USS Cairo; NRG capstan project; NRG half-hull; Viking longship; US revenue cutter; 18th century longboat; Bounty launch
mtaylor Posted April 15, 2020 #16 Posted April 15, 2020 12 hours ago, Termi said: Thank you Bilge Rat for that info, much appreciated. Bilge Rat is job, not name. Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
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