TreeSqueak Posted June 21, 2020 #1 Posted June 21, 2020 This is my First Build since I was a child, My first boat is unfinished and gathering dust at my Mothers house with copious amounts of filler. Im going to have lots of questions and I'm hoping to find some good tips here. VTHokiEE, Edwardkenway and WalrusGuy 3 Quote
TreeSqueak Posted June 21, 2020 Author #2 Posted June 21, 2020 Bulkhead I have a very basic question so that I don't stuff up before I've barely started. I know my bulkhead peices need to be at right angles, but should I be lining them up at the top or the bottom? I have started lining them up at the top, but the bottoms don't line up, is this normal? I think they should be lined up at the top, but I'm going to pause for an answer before I continue. Bob Fraser 1 Quote
TreeSqueak Posted June 21, 2020 Author #3 Posted June 21, 2020 Two of the same number and neither fit the instructions?? Ok next question. There seems to be two number nines, and they both match the high tech cut diagram, but not the instructions, can I just assume the instruction photos are of a slightly different model? Edwardkenway and lmagna 2 Quote
VTHokiEE Posted June 21, 2020 #4 Posted June 21, 2020 I think it’s fair to assume the pictures may not have been updated with new parts. What I would suggest is placing all the bulkheads and checking the run to make certain they look like they all are lining up correctly as a double check before gluing them in when you see a discrepancy like this (of course it looks like 6 doesn’t match the picture either). You can lay a plank along the run of bulkheads to see that they all are basically following a good line (and an idea of what to do when you need to fair the bulkheads before planking). Edit - I’m half heartedly searching for an AL Red Dragon kit but I noticed in build logs that they switched from die cut pieces to laser cut pieces (so I’m looking for the later laser cut version). I assume they did they same to this kit and the pictures in the instructions are from the earlier version of the kit. No idea why they doubled up on 9 though. Are there any logs on this version? I haven’t had a chance to look and see if they had a similar question. lmagna 1 Quote Current Build: HM Sloop Echo 1781 (First Scratch Build) Previous Builds: HM Cutter Alert, Sharpie Schooner, Chesapeake Bay Flattie, Half-Hull (NRG)
Jack12477 Posted June 21, 2020 #5 Posted June 21, 2020 I just started the same kit and had the same question. Dry fitting the bulkheads leaving out the duplicate #9 seems to line up okay. There is a larger instruction book in either Spanish or Italian that I haven't tried to translate yet to see if there is better info. Update: Review the ship's layout diagram in lower right portion of fold out sheet #1 ( reverse side of picture). It shows there are 2 sub decks in that area and only 1 instance of bulkhead #9. lmagna 1 Quote Jack "No one is as smart as all of us" - Is ón cheann a thagann an cheird The craft comes from the head --------------------------------------------- Current build: US Constellation Non-ship builds: USCG UH-65A Dolphin M16 Multi-gun motor carriage diorama M4A3 Sherman Tanks dioramas 1936-1939 Mercedes Benz 540K 1934 Rolls-Royce Phantom II JSDF Light Armor Vehicle Figures: The Last Bridge: Raider Reaper Edge of Universe: Ianis The Last Bridge: Vadim with cart Completed build log(s): 18th Century Longboat , Marie Jeanne, Willie L Bennett 1888 50 ft Gaff-rigged Ice Yacht Scratch Build The Sullivans (DD 537) Liberty Ship SS John W Brown USS England (DE 635), Artesania Latina Titanic Lifeboat Gallery: Swift , Armed Virginia Sloop, Santisima Trinidad Captain's Launch , 18th Century Longboat , Marie Jeanne Other: Rhinebeck Aerodrome Tour
James H Posted June 21, 2020 #6 Posted June 21, 2020 6 and 9, the wrong way round? Quote SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! On the bench: Zip, nada! On Hold: HMS Winchelsea Double Capstan - Syren Ship Models - 1:48 Finished US Baltimore Armed Privateer Schooner Grecian 1812 (prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 'Zulu' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 Fifie' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Flirt 1782, Vanguard Models - 1:64. Duchess of Kingston c.1780 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Sphinx 1775, Vanguard Models - 1:64 ERYCINA - Plymouth Ketch-Rigged Trawler 1882, Vanguard Models - 1:64. 'Nisha' - The Brixham 'Mumble-Bee' - Vanguard Models 1:64 'Saucy Jack' fishing boat - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Ranger 'Barking Fish Carrier' - 1864 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Indefatigable - 1794 (production prototype), Vanguard Models - 1:64. HMS Harpy - 1796 (production prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Indeterminate: Tender Avos - Master Korabel - 1:72. H.M.S. Victory (production prototype) - Amati - 1:64. HMS Granado 1742 (cross section) - CAFModel - 1:48
TreeSqueak Posted June 22, 2020 Author #7 Posted June 22, 2020 I have Translated the Instructions, that only came in Italian. Feel free to use these as you will. Instructions.docx Jack12477, mtaylor and WalrusGuy 3 Quote
TreeSqueak Posted June 23, 2020 Author #8 Posted June 23, 2020 I have now assembled the main frame and installed the Gunn deck. I tried to make it look a little more realistic with some false joins and some clear coat mixed with a tiny bit of paint. Bob Fraser, WalrusGuy, Helli and 1 other 4 Quote
TreeSqueak Posted June 23, 2020 Author #9 Posted June 23, 2020 Note to self and others, image number 8 is mislabeled. Or maby part 33 needs to be lined with 30. I'm going to need to look into that. Edwardkenway, lmagna and mtaylor 3 Quote
Jack12477 Posted June 24, 2020 #10 Posted June 24, 2020 Part # 30 is the dark Mukali veneer wood. See parts list at end of picture book. It seems to be used for all the lower decks. Edwardkenway, lmagna and mtaylor 3 Quote Jack "No one is as smart as all of us" - Is ón cheann a thagann an cheird The craft comes from the head --------------------------------------------- Current build: US Constellation Non-ship builds: USCG UH-65A Dolphin M16 Multi-gun motor carriage diorama M4A3 Sherman Tanks dioramas 1936-1939 Mercedes Benz 540K 1934 Rolls-Royce Phantom II JSDF Light Armor Vehicle Figures: The Last Bridge: Raider Reaper Edge of Universe: Ianis The Last Bridge: Vadim with cart Completed build log(s): 18th Century Longboat , Marie Jeanne, Willie L Bennett 1888 50 ft Gaff-rigged Ice Yacht Scratch Build The Sullivans (DD 537) Liberty Ship SS John W Brown USS England (DE 635), Artesania Latina Titanic Lifeboat Gallery: Swift , Armed Virginia Sloop, Santisima Trinidad Captain's Launch , 18th Century Longboat , Marie Jeanne Other: Rhinebeck Aerodrome Tour
mtaylor Posted June 24, 2020 #11 Posted June 24, 2020 Looking pretty good at this point. I do suggest that you read well ahead in the instructions. The reason is that after they tell you to glue the main deck down, they then tell you assemble and install the guns which is impossible. We've had way too many abandoned builds happen when they realize that they can't install the guns. lmagna, Edwardkenway and Bob Fraser 3 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
TreeSqueak Posted June 24, 2020 Author #12 Posted June 24, 2020 5 hours ago, mtaylor said: Looking pretty good at this point. I do suggest that you read well ahead in the instructions. The reason is that after they tell you to glue the main deck down, they then tell you assemble and install the guns which is impossible. We've had way too many abandoned builds happen when they realize that they can't install the guns. Yeah. Which is why I think it just skipped the step of adding that vaneer to number 33. mtaylor 1 Quote
Jack12477 Posted June 24, 2020 #13 Posted June 24, 2020 18 hours ago, Jack12477 said: Part # 30 is the dark Mukali veneer wood. My mistake ! It is the pale yellow wood strips. I think what that picture shows is the sort of catwalk of the main deck around the gun deck, which would be planked with Mukali strips lmagna, mtaylor and Edwardkenway 3 Quote Jack "No one is as smart as all of us" - Is ón cheann a thagann an cheird The craft comes from the head --------------------------------------------- Current build: US Constellation Non-ship builds: USCG UH-65A Dolphin M16 Multi-gun motor carriage diorama M4A3 Sherman Tanks dioramas 1936-1939 Mercedes Benz 540K 1934 Rolls-Royce Phantom II JSDF Light Armor Vehicle Figures: The Last Bridge: Raider Reaper Edge of Universe: Ianis The Last Bridge: Vadim with cart Completed build log(s): 18th Century Longboat , Marie Jeanne, Willie L Bennett 1888 50 ft Gaff-rigged Ice Yacht Scratch Build The Sullivans (DD 537) Liberty Ship SS John W Brown USS England (DE 635), Artesania Latina Titanic Lifeboat Gallery: Swift , Armed Virginia Sloop, Santisima Trinidad Captain's Launch , 18th Century Longboat , Marie Jeanne Other: Rhinebeck Aerodrome Tour
mtaylor Posted June 25, 2020 #14 Posted June 25, 2020 Hold off the catwalks as long a possible. The guns need to be set into place and appropriate rigging for them. Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
TreeSqueak Posted June 25, 2020 Author #15 Posted June 25, 2020 Next issue, I can't find number 36 at all. It looks like there are 14 of them. And it says they are plywood, but I can't find them on the diagram.???? lmagna and mtaylor 2 Quote
Bob Fraser Posted June 25, 2020 #16 Posted June 25, 2020 Hi Treesqueak Have a look at Toms10s build. It shows where and what these pieces are for. Maybe ask him about them? It also looks as if he has an English copy of the instructions too! mtaylor 1 Quote Bob Current build Cutty Sark, Mini Mamoli Finished King of the Mississippi No trees were harmed by this message, but an awful lot of electrons were put out.
TreeSqueak Posted June 25, 2020 Author #17 Posted June 25, 2020 16 minutes ago, Bob Fraser said: Hi Treesqueak Have a look at Toms10s build. It shows where and what these pieces are for. Maybe ask him about them? It also looks as if he has an English copy of the instructions too! I've looked at that one, but I can't find anything about number 36. mtaylor 1 Quote
Bob Fraser Posted June 25, 2020 #18 Posted June 25, 2020 It looks like step 15 in the booklet shows the proper placement. Pic from @toms10 These should be shown on the A4 sheets that show all the cutouts from plywood? Sometimes these parts look like throw aways after a larger piece has been removed, as I've found. Sorry I can't be of more help on this one 🙁. Bob mtaylor and lmagna 2 Quote Bob Current build Cutty Sark, Mini Mamoli Finished King of the Mississippi No trees were harmed by this message, but an awful lot of electrons were put out.
TreeSqueak Posted June 28, 2020 Author #19 Posted June 28, 2020 So I've decided number 36 sucks. I have temporally made them out of polystyrene and screwed the decks down. The holes won't matter because I haven't planked the decks yet. Oh dear. Looks like the next step is to plank the hull. Wish me luck Bob Fraser, mtaylor, VTHokiEE and 3 others 6 Quote
VTHokiEE Posted June 28, 2020 #20 Posted June 28, 2020 Good luck planking the hull! Make certain to really take your time fairing the bulkheads that can make all the difference in the world. mtaylor and JDDouglass 2 Quote Current Build: HM Sloop Echo 1781 (First Scratch Build) Previous Builds: HM Cutter Alert, Sharpie Schooner, Chesapeake Bay Flattie, Half-Hull (NRG)
Bob Fraser Posted June 28, 2020 #21 Posted June 28, 2020 Before you plank, check the glue you'll be using to the dummy barrels to the polystyrene. Some glues just melt it. It may be better to replace with balsa. Fairing the bulkheads make all the difference with planking! mtaylor 1 Quote Bob Current build Cutty Sark, Mini Mamoli Finished King of the Mississippi No trees were harmed by this message, but an awful lot of electrons were put out.
TreeSqueak Posted June 29, 2020 Author #22 Posted June 29, 2020 14 hours ago, Bob Fraser said: Before you plank, check the glue you'll be using to the dummy barrels to the polystyrene. Some glues just melt it. It may be better to replace with balsa. Fairing the bulkheads make all the difference with planking! Thanks I'm still working on the fairing. It takes a lot of effort....I might get my dremmel out. mtaylor 1 Quote
Bob Fraser Posted June 29, 2020 #23 Posted June 29, 2020 3 hours ago, TreeSqueak said: ..I might get my dremmel out. Go careful, you can quickly take too much off with it. Use a piece of string, or a 0.5mm length of stripwood to check for lumps or gaps as you're going. This is where, many years ago, I trashed a model 🥵 and didn't really touch another until now. Is this a double planked hull? mtaylor and TreeSqueak 2 Quote Bob Current build Cutty Sark, Mini Mamoli Finished King of the Mississippi No trees were harmed by this message, but an awful lot of electrons were put out.
TreeSqueak Posted July 4, 2020 Author #24 Posted July 4, 2020 There we go. Some decent Balsa wood blocks. It's not right, when you buy a kit you shouldn't have to blindly make peices. It should come with them. GrandpaPhil, mtaylor, Edwardkenway and 3 others 6 Quote
Bob Fraser Posted July 4, 2020 #25 Posted July 4, 2020 I feel your pain. I've an AL Endeavour on the shelf with about half the fittings missing that they wouldn't replace. It'll end up as a lower mast only model. Good catch withthe balsa , it'll give the gun stubs something solid to glue to, not much chance of them coming away. mtaylor 1 Quote Bob Current build Cutty Sark, Mini Mamoli Finished King of the Mississippi No trees were harmed by this message, but an awful lot of electrons were put out.
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