Patrick Matthews Posted July 5, 2020 Share #1 Posted July 5, 2020 Well, not really spars... but the stringers in a fishing boat's outriggers. I'm building "Pilar" in 1:12 as a functional RC model. Not for real fishing, unless a carp happens to jump in the back... but the enormous outriggers Hemingway installed on Pilar translate into 39 inch long assemblies of 0.083" (2mm) square stringers. Actually, the box-girder section is only about 23" long, but it's still likely to bang into things. I'm about to start building them in cherry, but I wonder if something else would be more appropriate? thibaultron and mtaylor 2 Quote Pat M. Matthews Model Marine Model FUNCTION as well as FORM. Get your boats wet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted July 5, 2020 Share #2 Posted July 5, 2020 Metal, perhaps? There are square section brass tube or rods available. thibaultron and mtaylor 2 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grsjax Posted July 5, 2020 Share #3 Posted July 5, 2020 Sitka spruce or maybe yellow cedar. Birch is also a possibility. mtaylor and thibaultron 2 Quote My advice and comments are always worth what you paid for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardG Posted July 5, 2020 Share #4 Posted July 5, 2020 Tricky. I agree with Druxey metal seems the best option. I'm not sure if you can get long enough pieces. I suppose you could solder shorter sections together using the box section brackets to help. To make it look like wood, this site has lots of metal paints and patinas in a variety of colors that might work https://sculptnouveau.com/collections/finishes And please be careful, those look like they could take an eye out. thibaultron 1 Quote Richard Current Build: Early 19th Century US Revenue Cutter (Artesania Latina "Dallas" - messed about) Completed Build: Yakatabune - Japanese - Woody Joe mini Member: Nautical Research Guild & Midwest Model Shipwrights Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Cleek Posted July 5, 2020 Share #5 Posted July 5, 2020 Most of the brass stock box tubing is sized so the next smaller size fits perfectly into the next larger size, That make soldering sections together a piece of cake. If this were a display model (and I shudder to think how much glass it would take to display it in a case,) I'd say any tight and straight grained hard wood (hard... wood, not just "hardwood") would work. Bamboo might do well if you could get it in long sections out of a large species. You'd have to scarf pieces together to get them long enough. (Think old time fly fishing poles.) That said, if it's going to be an R/C model, you want something that has some strength because no matter how hard you try, they're going to get whacked sooner or later. You'll have to do some engineering experiments to see if the metal tubing isn't too heavy. You don't want to have a lot of weight aloft that could cause the boat to turn turtle. You can compensate for that some with some ballast, but stability is going to be an issue no matter how you cut it. Nice boat to model! There was a made for TV moving called Hemmingway and Gellhorn. It's on all the streaming video channels, some for free. It's not all that bad a movie. Worth checking out if you haven't seen it. https://www.amazon.com/Hemingway-Gellhorn-Nicole-Kidman/dp/B00C58QKAY There's some shots of the boat the set decorators worked up for the movie shots. I watched them work up close in the boatyard. I used to be a "boat wrangler" for the movie people when I was working for a yacht brokerage, so I had somewhat of a professional interest in it. They did a good job from a movie standpoint, but the brightwork was all faux painted and they didn't spend much time on the side that wasn't going to be on camera. It was a an old hulk they hauled off the mud in the Petaluma River here in Sonoma County. I think they patched the holes in her bottom with plywood and wet patch. It didn't run, of course. That's no problem in the movies, though. just lash an inflatable with an outboard alongside out of camera range in you're in business. It worked for the movie but the boat wasn't a sistership to Pilar by any stretch. As they say, "It created a compelling impression." Roger Pellett, mtaylor, RichardG and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grsjax Posted July 5, 2020 Share #6 Posted July 5, 2020 I didn't think of bamboo. Great idea. Bamboo is very strong even in thin sections. thibaultron and mtaylor 2 Quote My advice and comments are always worth what you paid for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Matthews Posted July 5, 2020 Author Share #7 Posted July 5, 2020 Hard, tight fine grain, springy... maybe holly? I can work brass, but this will be wood. thibaultron and mtaylor 2 Quote Pat M. Matthews Model Marine Model FUNCTION as well as FORM. Get your boats wet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louie da fly Posted July 5, 2020 Share #8 Posted July 5, 2020 I agree about bamboo. Per http://www.ijstr.org/final-print/nov2015/Comparative-Analysis-Of-The-Tensile-Strength-Of-Bamboo-And-Reinforcement-Steel-Bars-As-Structural-Member-In-Building-Construction.pdf steel is 2 to 3 times stronger than bamboo, but weighs 6 to 8 times as much .Overall the tensile strength of bamboo per unit of weight is 3 to 4 times that of steel. I occcasionally use it in ship modelling. It's very tough and strong. Tony Hunt and thibaultron 2 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler FINISHED Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 https://modelshipworld.com/topic/36379-mistydeefer-by-louie-da-fly-finished-restoration-decor-yacht/#comment-1040663 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Matthews Posted July 6, 2020 Author Share #9 Posted July 6, 2020 Well, since I already started, I finished one outrigger in cherry. Satisfyingly strong and light, but I'm sure a false step could see it crumpled. The tip is a real fiberglass fishing pole... well actually, an ice fishing rod blank... perfect size! 3 feet of outrigger, light as a feather: grsjax, RichardG, Bob Cleek and 3 others 6 Quote Pat M. Matthews Model Marine Model FUNCTION as well as FORM. Get your boats wet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardG Posted July 6, 2020 Share #10 Posted July 6, 2020 Very good. Are you planning to have this in a display case? thibaultron and mtaylor 2 Quote Richard Current Build: Early 19th Century US Revenue Cutter (Artesania Latina "Dallas" - messed about) Completed Build: Yakatabune - Japanese - Woody Joe mini Member: Nautical Research Guild & Midwest Model Shipwrights Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Matthews Posted July 6, 2020 Author Share #11 Posted July 6, 2020 We RC'ers model FUNCTION as well as form... the boats get moved around too much to bother with display cases. Get your boats wet! Keep those models out and ready to use: thibaultron, RichardG, MEDDO and 1 other 4 Quote Pat M. Matthews Model Marine Model FUNCTION as well as FORM. Get your boats wet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louie da fly Posted July 6, 2020 Share #12 Posted July 6, 2020 That's a beautiful piece of work. And it appears nice and whippy. Please make sure you report back on its performance after you've tried it out in practice. People need to know . . . mtaylor and thibaultron 2 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler FINISHED Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 https://modelshipworld.com/topic/36379-mistydeefer-by-louie-da-fly-finished-restoration-decor-yacht/#comment-1040663 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted July 7, 2020 Share #13 Posted July 7, 2020 22 hours ago, Louie da fly said: That's a beautiful piece of work. And it appears nice and whippy. Please make sure you report back on its performance after you've tried it out in practice. People need to know . . . Yes, report back... hopefully with a video. thibaultron 1 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Matthews Posted October 11, 2020 Author Share #14 Posted October 11, 2020 As above- may not be the BEST wood choice, but I used cherry, as with the rest of the cabin. Added the brass reinforcing straps and mounting hardware, and now I can display the outriggers up or down. BTW, that was a whole 'nuther detective job, figuring out how Hemingway rigged the outriggers... not obvious from available photos. mtaylor 1 Quote Pat M. Matthews Model Marine Model FUNCTION as well as FORM. Get your boats wet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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