Glory of the Seas 1869 by rwiederrich - FINISHED - 1/96 - medium clipper

[Bill Morrison]

Absolutely stunning!

 

Bill

[rwiederrich]

Some final pics of the day. 
 

Rob

[rwiederrich]

26 minutes ago, michael mott said:

Lovely work on the furled sails Rob, they are very realistic looking.

 

Michael

Thanks a lot Michael.  At this scale I surely didn’t want bulky.  Tightly furled sails are not easy to pull off convincingly.   Thanks…..your approval is worth millions.  
 

Rob

[rwiederrich]

33 minutes ago, Bill Morrison said:

Absolutely stunning!

 

Bill

Thanks Bill, that means a lot.  I hope I’m staying true to my subject matter. 
 

Rob

[druxey]

Those furled sails look as good as any I've seen. Nice work.

[rwiederrich]

12 hours ago, druxey said:

Those furled sails look as good as any I've seen. Nice work.

Thanks Druxey, that means a lot..  Authenticity was the greatest challenge and the scale made that even harder.  I think I may have reached my goal.

Actually, I don't see too often, models rigged with tight furled sails, but as photographs clearly show us...while in port the sails were made weather tight on the yards....meaning...a clean pressed tight sail was a sign of sharp seamanship and the sail almost acted as a covering for itself....no loose untuffed sections that could attract  quantities of standing water and critters.  We wanted to look good while we were in port....all those peering eyes and such.  And if you were expecting a long stay in port...you unbent the sails and stowed them in their locker.

 

Rob

[Bill Morrison]

16 hours ago, rwiederrich said:

Thanks Bill, that means a lot.  I hope I’m staying true to my subject matter. 
 

Rob

You are.  You should be proud!

 

Bill

 

[rwiederrich]

I’m nearing the final rigging of the mizzenmast.  
 

I will now belay the lower topsail down haul and the appropriate leach lines to the fife rail before stepping on the model. 
 

Here are some updated pics.  

[rwiederrich]

The main yard won’t get rigger or mounted till the main shrouds and rat lines are added.  
 

Then there will be room to rig it and to belay all the other lines that run through their prospective fairleads mounted on the shrouds. 
 

Rob
 

 

[Vladimir_Wairoa]

wow, fabulous stuff Rob. congrats. blunts and leechs, crazy packed stuff. i imagine even running rigging to add to it.. and shrouds to  bottom pfff.  i get now your nethod aou go basigaly opposite way as many - from top to bottom  interestingly clever

Edited February 26, 2022 by Vladimir_Wairoa
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[rwiederrich]

Temp stepped mast on model. 
 

Now to focus on the head gear and make some corrections.  
 

Rob

[rwiederrich]

Getting ready to add head gear.  
 

Rob

[ClipperFan]

Rob, as usual, just a very high level of professionalism in the construction and detailed rigging of the Mizzenmast. Seeing it mounted in Glory, it's impressive how tall this so called shortest mast it. It will be stunning to see how her Mainmast will look in comparison.

[My Fathers Son]

16 hours ago, rwiederrich said:

The main yard won’t get rigger or mounted till the main shrouds and rat lines are added.  
 

Then there will be room to rig it and to belay all the other lines that run through their prospective fairleads mounted on the shrouds. 
 

Rob
 

 

I see the advantage of the B&D vice over a normal vice, the extra width gives the opportunity to spread the lines at deck level so you can plan their securing points better. Much tidier.

 

Simon

[ClipperFan]

Rob, Vladimir courtesy of Richard Alan Wood, Administrator of the Facebook page "The Clipper Ship Era" comes this very rare postcard of an Oct 3rd, 1910 Port Broadside view of Ship "Glory of the Seas" unloading BC coal at Unalaska, Alaska. Photographer was John E Thwaites.

[BANYAN]

Impressive Rob, the Mizen looks good with the rigging in-situ.

 

cheers

 

Pat

[rwiederrich]

9 hours ago, ClipperFan said:

Rob, Vladimir courtesy of Richard Alan Wood, Administrator of the Facebook page "The Clipper Ship Era" comes this very rare postcard of an Oct 3rd, 1910 Port Broadside view of Ship "Glory of the Seas" unloading BC coal at Unalaska, Alaska. Photographer was John E Thwaites.

I’ve just joined

[rwiederrich]

3 hours ago, BANYAN said:

Impressive Rob, the Mizen looks good with the rigging in-situ.

 

cheers

 

Pat

Now I’ll step the mast and add the shrouds and begin belaying lines and adding the back stays.     So much to still do. 
 

Rob

[MrBlueJacket]

I have always felt that for square masted ship models, the time is 1/2 on the woodwork and 1/2 on the rigging. What do you think?

[rwiederrich]

1 hour ago, MrBlueJacket said:

I have always felt that for square masted ship models, the time is 1/2 on the woodwork and 1/2 on the rigging. What do you think?

Nic....I think you are being a bit conservative in your estimation, though I do agree.....  I concede that the rigging takes as long or(In my case) Waaay longer.  It is fully dependent on the extent of your rigging detail.   If one were to limit their detail to lifts and braces and foot ropes...indeed.  But when one calculates the time needed to make gin blocks, rig properly the downhauls/ their purchases,  bunt and sheets....not to mention sails and all their intricacies......you could be there twice as long.

 

But, yes...rigging can take at least as long as the hull and all its details.

 

Rob

[ClipperFan]

Rob, while it can add upwards as twice as much time to properly outfit a square rigged ship, I can say that it is precisely that almost mystifying labyrinth of lines, with their various chains, gin blocks and tackles that I appreciate the most. It gives me great joy to follow rigging and trace each line to its logical conclusion at its belaying location. 

I imagine that with judicious pre-conception and a well laid out plan, the amount of time to accomplish this very challenging but highly rewarding facet of your build can be well managed.

[Vladimir_Wairoa]

6 hours ago, ClipperFan said:

Rob, while it can add upwards as twice as much time to properly outfit a square rigged ship, I can say that it is precisely that almost mystifying labyrinth of lines, with their various chains, gin blocks and tackles that I appreciate the most. It gives me great joy to follow rigging and trace each line to its logical conclusion at its belaying location. 

I imagine that with judicious pre-conception and a well laid out plan, the amount of time to accomplish this very challenging but highly rewarding facet of your build can be well managed.

Wow Rich absolutely beautiful  photograph. I ak speechles.i  share completely same sentiment AS you , fór such im leaving glory resting  now, and being IT significantly bigger than Robs, i  intend to accomodate her with best possible ropes that exist, ! With serving and trying to do All that stuff... shackles, chains and sheaves that Rob couldnt do because of the scale. No matter tíme and length of work. Although  we see he is master of his craft there IS no scale problém for him as he managed to make it all fantastic even into 1:96 so .more than . Hat off..

[ClipperFan]

Vladimir, I couldn't agree more about this fantastic discovery. Everytime I think I've seen the last image of "Glory of the Seas" another never before seen picture emerges. Each time I am once again reminded what a substantial vessel she was too. To give an idea of how far back she is in this 1910 photo, look at the size of "Dora's" passengers in the fore image. Now knowing the size of the ship's rails, project the scale of those same folks into the background. Knowing her dimensions from Stern to Bowsprit tip, I realize that the real estate Glory covers is the equivalent of two goalposts of an American football field!.

[rwiederrich]

This image is what I'm trying to replicate on Glory...though I wanted tighter furling...like in her San Fran dock image.

This furled arrangement is bent to the yard, unlike the other arrangement called quartered.  where the sails clue is brought to the center of the yard.

 

Rob

 

[rwiederrich]

One thing I'm internalizing over is the lack of proper belaying points for the mizzen sail running rigging.   No image I have shows clearly the belay points for the sheets and bunt lines and since the mizzen lacks a proper fife rail(short of the spider band)....I can only imagine that the rail was used as a pin rail...though no photographic evidence shows this.  I was thinking of using a practice used on many vessels with similar issues....by using shroud suspended pin rails.  Pin rails were bent to the inside of the lanyards at the deadeye point.....providing a belay point for the lines coming down from the fairleads that are fixed up on the inside shroud points.

 

I do not want to drill holes in the fragile rail if at all possible.

 

Rob(thinking out loud)

[ClipperFan]

Rob, In this latest beautiful broadside of Glory I was surprised to discover almost all her yards have tightly furled sails like yours. I am struck by the professionalism of these sailors in their ability to so tightly compress these massive fabrics. When you consider rolling up these thick canvas sails, it's an amazing accomplishment. I remember having to compress older real canvas tents when we struck camp in Boy Scouts of the 60s. Since I was participating in US Armed Services Units, our camping gear was surplus World War II military style tough canvas duct. Believe me, it is an art to get gear like that to be as tightly furled as those sails used to be. 

[rwiederrich]

5 minutes ago, ClipperFan said:

Rob, In this latest beautiful broadside of Glory I was surprised to discover almost all her yards have tightly furled sails like yours. I am struck by the professionalism of these sailors in their ability to so tightly compress these massive fabrics. When you consider rolling up these thick canvas sails, it's an amazing accomplishment. I remember having to compress older real canvas tents when we struck camp in Boy Scouts of the 60s. Since I was participating in US Armed Services Units, our camping gear was surplus World War II military style tough canvas duct. Believe me, it is an art to get gear like that to be as tightly furled as those sails used to be. 

And most ships carried several thicknesses of sail.  Those set for heavy weather and those for lighter fare.  What an ordeal to have to change out sail for the weather you are anticipating.  And of course Stunsails were of the lightest cotton duct.

 

Rob

[ClipperFan]

24 minutes ago, rwiederrich said:

One thing I'm internalizing over is the lack of proper belaying points for the mizzen sail running rigging.   No image I have shows clearly the belay points for the sheets and bunt lines and since the mizzen lacks a proper fife rail(short of the spider band)....I can only imagine that the rail was used as a pin rail...though no photographic evidence shows this.  I was thinking of using a practice used on many vessels with similar issues....by using shroud suspended pin rails.  Pin rails were bent to the inside of the lanyards at the deadeye point.....providing a belay point for the lines coming down from the fairleads that are fixed up on the inside shroud points.

 

I do not want to drill holes in the fragile rail if at all possible.

 

Rob(thinking out loud)

Rob, from all the photographic evidence we have, none show any belaying pins inserted into any of Glory's rails. To the contrary, all images available so far, including this latest broadside prove that all rails even on her large rear house were solely used as rails and nothing else. Your idea of creating internal shroud mounted belaying pins must be the logical workable alternative.

[Vladimir_Wairoa]

55 minutes ago, rwiederrich said:

This image is what I'm trying to replicate on Glory...though I wanted tighter furling...like in her San Fran dock image.

This furled arrangement is bent to the yard, unlike the other arrangement called quartered.  where the sails clue is brought to the center of the yard.

 

Rob

 

You did replicate it wonderfully Rob! 

[Vladimir_Wairoa]

2 hours ago, ClipperFan said:

Vladimir, I couldn't agree more about this fantastic discovery. Everytime I think I've seen the last image of "Glory of the Seas" another never before seen picture emerges. Each time I am once again reminded what a substantial vessel she was too. To give an idea of how far back she is in this 1910 photo, look at the size of "Dora's" passengers in the fore image. Now knowing the size of the ship's rails, project the scale of those same folks into the background. Knowing her dimensions from Stern to Bowsprit tip, I realize that the real estate Glory covers is the equivalent of two goalposts of an American football field!.

She was mighty gal, wasnt IT. Probably best thing i could do was to get to study rigging properly AS i am now to understand every bit that there IS. I was foolishly thinking watching plán of flying fish would do not even knowing of Howse rig. Gosh how baad . Its opening a new perspectives fór calculating and planming ahead what i Wish glory to look like and choices there are plenty. Either how much of roping mess i want or i am able to tackle however, Rob must laugh as in my scale there Will be plenty of space whether fór her  to be Without sails -  rigging IS set quite little differently, or All furled, or partially set meaning with Few sails unrolled. Amazing cinsiderations to plan think and to make. I Now even understand why damn main course yard IS Narrowed - fór loading 😉 you see ?  Few more years and i Will reach some rank of newcomer sailor so plenty to learn every day

Edited March 1, 2022 by Vladimir_Wairoa
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