PaavoOso Posted December 13, 2020 Share #1 Posted December 13, 2020 As a pre-teen I began building all types of plastic and wooden boat, yacht, and ship models. I loved my passion for boats. I also drew lines of smaller classifications of canoes, sloops, and kayaks aspiring to solve that ominous mystery how to create simultaneous points that meant something and fit well together. Why after 50 years of sitting in the PTSD doldrums, did I begin to make this hobby of my youth come alive again? Also, suffering a concussion, spinal cord injury, and permanent nerve damage to spinal cord, I am hopeful to bring this dream back to me. I feel it to be a worthy goal. PTSD is a difficult battle. Suicidal ideation is worse. I had to do something, or I could die! One day I picked up a National Geographic magazine featuring the White Mist as she sailed the northern-most portion of the United States and Canada. Very slowly I became enthralled by what used to be an imperative to my livelihood as a teenager. I wondered if I would ever come alive, again? To learn hull lines drawing I succeeded at completing two years of formal training at a vocational school in the USA. Learning was difficult in the beginning, but I soon discovered an instructor or two who taught rather well. I began to learn. One day I hoped to apply this knowledge to building scale models of my designs and models of some of the great Naval Architects around the world. A favorite NA of mine was K. Aage Nielsen from Denmark. What aspired me to follow Nielsen was his motto, “Good enough is not a worthy goal.” I felt the same way upon completing a drafting & design class upon leaving the military and having been in the private sector feeling defeated for some time. Education stimulates me. This was in 1975. But I heard of Aage Nielsen in 2017 upon receiving a Certificate of Completion for a Boat & Yacht Design Program. By now I should be ready to apply everything I had learned in both programs to building models, again. I sure have been hoping so. So, for all who do not know, I will be attempting the Continental Galley Washington 1776, NRG 0138. But I shall perhaps construct the hull as an experimental modeling technique. I will be utilizing bulkheads instead of frames, sculpting wire through the dimensionless fair points of tangency throughout each bulkhead bore. Prayerfully, this will allow me the opportunity to pack in self-hardening clay to fair out graceful lines for my hull. This will require time and patience and technique an imperative. Keeping the hull moist will help create a fair hull. All other features will stand as is. I have only witnessed one model approximately 18” long created in this manner and it was a beauty. Presently, I have my building board complete, the keel has been laid with no recesses, only holding pins, stern and bow in place requiring much sanding, aft LWL square almost complete, and next to begin cutting out the perimeter of aft & forward frames for bulkheads that will fit into keel at bearding line and rabbet line. I will attempt to leave most of the keel, false keel, stern, and stem as it should be visible to the observer. Then onto the superstructure, rigging, deadeyes, blocks, guns, deck, masts raked properly, metals (I am aspiring to figure how to implant or affix to hull such as chain plates. I am certain, with adequate time, this hopefully will be a successful endeavor. I am posting pictures so you can see for yourself, the slow advances I have made. I am clumsy, but passionate. I am slow but determined. See for yourself . Of course I have not adhered to the keel recesses, there is much fill in the stern, and I am not completed with phase 1, but give me time. I am by no means professional, just passionate. Thanks friends. Edwardkenway, JeffT, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardkenway Posted December 13, 2020 Share #2 Posted December 13, 2020 mtaylor and PaavoOso 2 Quote Current builds; Henry Ramey Upcher 1:25 Providence whaleboat- 1:25 HMS Winchelsea 1764 1:48 Completed: HM Cutter Sherbourne- 1:64- finished Triton cross section scratch- 1:60 - finished Non ship: SBD-3 Dauntless 1:48 Hasegawa -FINISHED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted December 13, 2020 Share #3 Posted December 13, 2020 Hello, and a warm welcome to MSW from 'Down Under'. John JeffT, mtaylor and PaavoOso 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaavoOso Posted December 13, 2020 Author Share #4 Posted December 13, 2020 Hello to both of my new friends. Thank you so very much for keeping this post positive. I am trying to experiment as a first model in so very many years. I tend to enjoy ingenuity regarding ideas for Marine Design: Art. Design. Engineering. Craftsmanship. 20 minutes ago, Edwardkenway said: Thank you so very much. JIm. mtaylor and JeffT 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaavoOso Posted December 13, 2020 Author Share #5 Posted December 13, 2020 21 minutes ago, Edwardkenway said: Thanks very kindly Edward. mtaylor and JeffT 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffT Posted December 13, 2020 Share #6 Posted December 13, 2020 Hello and welcome to MSW It looks like you are off to a good start on your model. PaavoOso and mtaylor 2 Quote Jeff In progress: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Company -1/2" scale USS Constitution - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Granado - CAF Model - 1:48 HMS Sphinx - Vanguard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Green Posted December 14, 2020 Share #7 Posted December 14, 2020 Hello PaavoOso: You ought to be able to hear me. I'm in Boise too! I'm in the midst of chemo-therapy for colon cancer so not many of my days are good but some are a lot better than others. What do you say we co-ordinate our good days and met up? Charlie mtaylor and PaavoOso 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Green Posted December 14, 2020 Share #8 Posted December 14, 2020 ...that's meet up... PaavoOso and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike from Aus Posted December 14, 2020 Share #9 Posted December 14, 2020 Welcome to this forum where you will find lots of support in your hobby and friendship from all around the world. PaavoOso and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaavoOso Posted December 14, 2020 Author Share #10 Posted December 14, 2020 7 hours ago, Charles Green said: Hello PaavoOso: You ought to be able to hear me. I'm in Boise too! I'm in the midst of chemo-therapy for colon cancer so not many of my days are good but some are a lot better than others. What do you say we co-ordinate our good days and met up? Charlie Hi Charlie! It is very nice to meet you. I am afraid my PTSD does not allow me to leave the house. PM me and I will share my number with you, and if you like I can give you my address. I am already praying for your health to get better, friend. Let me know. Thank you. mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaavoOso Posted December 14, 2020 Author Share #11 Posted December 14, 2020 7 hours ago, Mike from Aus said: Welcome to this forum where you will find lots of support in your hobby and friendship from all around the world. Hi Mike! Thank you for the warm greeting. I appreciate you. mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaavoOso Posted December 14, 2020 Author Share #12 Posted December 14, 2020 7 hours ago, JJT said: Hello and welcome to MSW It looks like you are off to a good start on your model. Hi JJT. Thank you very much. I am discovering there is much to consider with this hobby but I am learning little by little. JeffT and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allanyed Posted December 14, 2020 Share #13 Posted December 14, 2020 Welcome to MSW!!! I hope to see more of your build and suggest you start a build log. You will receive good advice when and if you run into any build problems. Have a good day, I know from personal experience within our family the effects of PTSD and some days and nights are better than others. I hope making new friends here will give you more good days! Allan Quote PLEASE take 30 SECONDS and sign up for the epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series. Click on http://trafalgar.tv There is no cost other than the 30 seconds of your time. THANK YOU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaavoOso Posted December 14, 2020 Author Share #14 Posted December 14, 2020 Thanks very much Allan! I am wishing to make new friends. You are very kind. How do I begin a build log? Thank you for your benevolently kind comment. John mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightyo Posted December 14, 2020 Share #15 Posted December 14, 2020 I was surprised to see a post by someone from Boise, and then astounded to see someone else from Boise post as well! Welcome! My wife thinks I'm the only person in the world who is nuts enough to enjoy this hobby. It would be nice to prove to her someday that others do indeed exist. 😄 We have a number of posters/vets who also have PTSD. As you read the logs, you will be able to see who they are; there might be good opportunity for like-minded dialogue there. Take a look at this thread for how to maneuver throughout the forum, , etc -> https://modelshipworld.com/forum/47-how-to-use-the-msw-forum/ Below is how to start a scratch-build log. Alan PaavoOso and mtaylor 2 Quote Alan's POB Build Log HMS Triton 1/64 Alan's POB Build Log USS Syren 1/64 Alan's Build Log Nina 1/106 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaavoOso Posted December 14, 2020 Author Share #16 Posted December 14, 2020 Thank you so very much Alan!!! You have been a tremendous support. I am grateful. John mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keithbrad80 Posted December 14, 2020 Share #17 Posted December 14, 2020 (edited) Welcome to MSW John! your story sounds very similar to mine, I’m younger than you but also suffer from PTSD... Especially after three deployments to the Middle East. Wood working initially is what I got into to help focus my attention on something else and some how moved onto model ships and love it! I’m sure as you read through build logs you will find others with a similar situation. It sounds to me like you really know what your doing, and I’m looking forward to following your build! Just curious though, clay is an interesting choice of building material, what made you want to work with it? Wouldn’t it make the model really heavy? I’m sure you have done more research on this than I. Bradley Edited December 14, 2020 by Keithbrad80 mtaylor and PaavoOso 2 Quote Current Builds: Flying Fish - Model Shipways - 1:96 Future Builds: Young America 1853 - Scratch Build - 1:72 Completed Builds: HMS Racehorse - Mantua - 1:47 (No pictures unfortunately) Providence Whale Boat - Artesania Latina - 1:25 (Also no pictures) Lowell Grand Banks Dory - Model Shipways - 1:24 Shelved Builds: Pride of Baltimore 2 - Model Shipways - 1:64 (Also no pictures) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaavoOso Posted December 14, 2020 Author Share #18 Posted December 14, 2020 Hi Bradley. Thank you friend for your warm welcome. Thank you also for your valued service to our country and three deployments. Wood working is therapeutic. I have lost a good portion of PTSD nightmares since working in wood. I am happy to hear of your success. Once clay dries it becomes lighter. Thin applications help. Keeping her moist throughout the process helps her shape and once dry she is not as heavy as one may think. But this is my first attempt so I guess we shall all find out. Kind of like ferro-cement was in the late sixties, early seventies with yachts made of iron rods and mesh and ferro-cement. I looked over the starboard profile again this early morning and realized the openings for oars and oarsman seating will be difficult. Lots to consider and lots to work. Stay safe and healthy Bradley. Enjoy your day. John Keithbrad80 and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keithbrad80 Posted December 14, 2020 Share #19 Posted December 14, 2020 Hello John, wood working and model making is probably in my top five list of best things that ever happened to me. Talk about therapeutic! Honestly I know very little about modeling clay, what temp does your specific clay need to reach before it cures? I imagine one of the benefits of working with clay is strength it adds to the model, and I suppose the weight won’t really matter once it’s complete. I’m really interested in this idea of working with clay so I’ll be watching carefully! Bradley PaavoOso and mtaylor 2 Quote Current Builds: Flying Fish - Model Shipways - 1:96 Future Builds: Young America 1853 - Scratch Build - 1:72 Completed Builds: HMS Racehorse - Mantua - 1:47 (No pictures unfortunately) Providence Whale Boat - Artesania Latina - 1:25 (Also no pictures) Lowell Grand Banks Dory - Model Shipways - 1:24 Shelved Builds: Pride of Baltimore 2 - Model Shipways - 1:64 (Also no pictures) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaavoOso Posted December 14, 2020 Author Share #20 Posted December 14, 2020 Hi Bradley, Let's see if it works well enough. I have seen one and it was remarkable. Clay just needs to be at room temperature. Just needs to be moistened with a damp cloth till faired correctly and smooth. You can paint it too. Strength is an added feature. If this turns out well I'll create more and this will be my signature style. Clay requires as much dedication to accuracy as wood. I am moving slowly but keep upp with me Bradley and we will learn together. John mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted December 14, 2020 Share #21 Posted December 14, 2020 Hi John, welcome to MSW. I'm looking forward to seeing your log and how the build goes. Modeling is a very soothing to the soul endeavor. It has it's frustrations but overall it's very helpful. PTSD is horrible. I have it myself from 'Nam and only in the last several years did I recognize it and get some help. PaavoOso 1 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louie da fly Posted December 15, 2020 Share #22 Posted December 15, 2020 Hi John, and welcome to MSW. This sounds like a very interesting method of building. It's certainly unusual - I've never heard of it before. I wish you well with your build. You certainly seem to have the right attitude to getting it right. On the other hand, if you do make mistakes (which we all do), be prepared to forgive yourself for them - modelling is very much a learning process and you get better and better as time goes on. Steven mtaylor, PaavoOso and Keithbrad80 3 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler FINISHED Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 https://modelshipworld.com/topic/36379-mistydeefer-by-louie-da-fly-finished-restoration-decor-yacht/#comment-1040663 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaavoOso Posted December 15, 2020 Author Share #23 Posted December 15, 2020 14 hours ago, mtaylor said: Hi John, welcome to MSW. I'm looking forward to seeing your log and how the build goes. Modeling is a very soothing to the soul endeavor. It has it's frustrations but overall it's very helpful. PTSD is horrible. I have it myself from 'Nam and only in the last several years did I recognize it and get some help. Thank you Mark. The era of "Nam" I sense was as no other. I volunteered in '71 with the USMC. Times were bad and I lost at least one friend from his own hand. Broke my darn heart. He was such a good man. PTSD runs deep. Take good care of yourself. You are admiralty here at MSW. Best always ! John mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaavoOso Posted December 15, 2020 Author Share #24 Posted December 15, 2020 10 hours ago, Louie da fly said: Hi John, and welcome to MSW. This sounds like a very interesting method of building. It's certainly unusual - I've never heard of it before. I wish you well with your build. You certainly seem to have the right attitude to getting it right. On the other hand, if you do make mistakes (which we all do), be prepared to forgive yourself for them - modelling is very much a learning process and you get better and better as time goes on. Steven Thanks very kindly Steven. I am attempting this to relax. I hope it works. Creativity is a wonderful thing, boats, yachts and ship modeling the same. Thank you for your advice, Steven. John mtaylor and Harvey Golden 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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