Atlantica by Wintergreen – Scale 1:30 - POF - sail training ketch - a smack of English heritage

[Wintergreen]

Hi all and thanks for likes and comments.

As I said, the stem is maid anew and then onto the stern part, aka deadwood.

Being the first time it is somewhat of a challenge to get the pieces to mate square and true. I give myself some fraction of a mm of leeway since it is a learning by doing experience.

The deadwood might look funny but the plan states clearly that the sternpost shall have a siding of 440 mm in way of prop tube to be faired down to 260 at keel and rabbet. 

 

 

This particular joint I glued three times before I got it right...

 

Not too shabby, if I say so myself 🙂 

 

Yes, this is about all my small clamps. Since the apple does not have straight grain the keel was a bit wavy. Gluing together with the false keel I hope to straighten it out a bit. All the rest will of course also help in keeping the keel straight and true.

I have a ruler between the keel and the level to have a straight edge and the level gives firm ground for clamping.

 

Next up will be more pieces aft and the finally putting the three items together.

 

Cheers!

[FlyingFish]

2 hours ago, Wintergreen said:

Since the apple does not have straight grain the keel was a bit wavy.

But it does have a wonderful colour!

[bolin]

It looks very nice! I did not pay attention when you started your build log, but now I realize that this will be a rather big model.

[Jim Lad]

Håkan, you're going to need a bigger bench!

 

John

[KeithAug]

I must admit I hadn't realised how big the vessel is. Lots of opportunity for detail.

[Wintergreen]

22 minutes ago, Jim Lad said:

Håkan, you're going to need a bigger bench!

Indeed John. But then I've already prepared for that. Go back to the end of my other build log and you'll see 😉 

 

LOA 870 mm, and length between perpendiculars 750 mm. Yes @KeithAug, a lot of manageable detailing to come.

[Gahm]

You seem to be off to a very good start! Where do you get your wood from? It looks beautiful!

 

Thomas

[Wintergreen]

@Gahm, the wood source is extremely local. I have four or five (edit: actually 9...) planks of birch that came with the house when we bought it.

And the apple is from two trees that I took down in the garden 10 years ago. 😉

I would love to get my hands on some pear also. Will see if I know someone that knows someone.

Edited January 22, 2022 by Wintergreen

[Wintergreen]

Thought I better post this update since the fatigue-thing is unpredictable...

A bigger bench was called for. Here you have it. Also added a scale yard worker (hm... hands deep in pockets, not much work going on there I can tell) and a one meter rule for reference. John, just a tad bigger than your usual scale of 1:96 😄

 

Next I will focus on the stem. Define the bearding and rabbet lines in the wood and taper the forward piece. After that I can attach the keel to the stem and focus on the stern structure for a while before it also gets attached to the keel.

 

 

[wefalck]

As a confirmed tool-junkie I like the ancient planer in the background

 

[Wintergreen]

31 minutes ago, wefalck said:

As a confirmed tool-junkie I like the ancient planer in the background

Hehe, thank you. It is sharp and true and don't move... cast iron everything makes it heavy. When we bought the house the old lady left the workshop after her late husband intact. I had to pay a small "fee" apart from the estate to get it. We can say I got lucky 😁

 

Speaking of tools... maybe you can tell me how these files compares to Vallorbe. I take it that Vallorbe is on the high side of the spectrum of files, right? I got them yesterday and haven't had time to test them out yet.  They look great though.

 

Edited January 22, 2022 by Wintergreen

[wefalck]

Yep, cast-iron is the thing. Makes it difficult to move things around, but that's a good point also.

 

I have seen this brand of tools/files around, but can't really say anything on their quality from personal experience. The manufacturer NIQUA (https://en.niqua-shop.de) caters for the jewellery industry, so for a professional market.

 

One has to pay attention though, as many manufacturers have different tool lines for markets with different purchasing power.

[Wintergreen]

@wefalck thanks anyway for your insight. And yes, I bought them from a web shop aimed at jewelry. Did buy some pliers from them as well. I thought -that since the targets are semi-professional or professional jewelers stuff they sell can't be that bad. And this far I'm not disappointed.

 

This set of three set me back some 50€, so not cheap, nor crazy expensive. Will come back with an evaluation later.

[Wintergreen]

Plodding along slowly. But better slowly than not at all.

Working on the stem build and details. Horse shoe on old ships, here a simpler form. Still, it takes some tries to get them right.

 

First, using the template as... template, cutting along the lines.

 

Then, no matter how big your bench is, it gets crowded in no time at all.

 

Here are the blanks for the plates. I cut the wide and filed down. Seems the most common approach, which also makes sense since the cutting with pliers distorts the pieces.

 

After some careful and tedious scraping the brass plate fits. Nailed in place with CA glue and copper rivets.

 

I plan on painting the hull according to the real vessel. Therefore I'm not too bothered about small imperfections or glue spots from CA.

 

Thanks for likes and shown interest in my build 🙂 

 

 

[KeithAug]

2 hours ago, Wintergreen said:

I cut the wide and filed down. Seems the most common approach, which also makes sense since the cutting with pliers distorts the pieces.

Hakan - Have you got a jewellers saw? Ideal for jobs of that sort and relatively cheap. If you get one invest in decent blades. The ones that come with the saws are usually poor.

[Wintergreen]

Keith, yes I have a jewellers saw actually. Just need to see what blades I've got.

Good point, thank you.

[Wintergreen]

Edit: I wrote almost this entire post until the answer dawned on me... lets see if you catch it. I will continue this edit at the end.

 

Time for a question, or discussion if you like. And quite a lot of pictures.

It has to do with the stern buildup, rabbet and bearding line in combination with future planking.

In the screenshot below the text is quite unambiguous. "Siding: 440 in way of sterntube, to be streamlined aft of rabbet to rule siding 260".

The rabbet is clearly marked and the bearding line is sweeping down in gentle arcs.

 

 

However, the difference between the rule siding of 260 and then 440 is 180 mm, right? But the planking is only 65 mm, hence 130 mm for both sides. Is it really plausible to leave a gap of 25 mm on each side between the planking and the deadwood? The other members of the stern build has quite clearly their dimensions given, 310 mm.

 

Some pictures from the book to add to the equation.

 

 

 

And what I've filed down to so far.

 

 

 

 

I have penciled in the rabbet and bearding line. But it still puzzles me what to do with the gap of 25 mm. The planking will cut in to the deadwood for most of it thanks to the "streamlined to rule siding". But still. From the book I can't really see anything else either.

 

Edit: Well, the key-words are "aft of rabbet to rule siding 260". Because, forward of the sternpost the member has a siding of 310 mm, which deducted from 440 is...yes, 130 mm, which also by coincident equals the planking thickness. 

 

It is funny how you sometimes have to post pictures to see the imperfections (or areas of possible improvement) or, as in my case above, a tricky question, that turned out to be not so tricky. 

After all, its a tricky business trying to understand a 2D building plan and translate it to a three dimensional piece of timber.

Now, that I've solved this mystery it is back to the yard again. Ha!

[Jim Lad]

Nice to see the little grey cells are still operating, Håkan. 

 

John

[wefalck]

Whether right or wrong - nice piece of miniature shipwright's work 👍

[FlyingFish]

13 hours ago, Wintergreen said:

It is funny how you sometimes have to post pictures to see the imperfections

Couldn't agree more! One of the great values of this forum is the introspection the photos and analysis gives us - and the comments they elicit. Well done for cracking the problem!

[KeithAug]

On 1/30/2022 at 9:05 AM, Wintergreen said:

Now, that I've solved this mystery it is back to the yard again. Ha!

 Mysteries are the best bit. Great work.

[Wintergreen]

Thank you guys for your support 🙂 

The yard will be quiet for some time now. Reason? Well, now that I've (almost) figured out the tricky stern section it is back to the drawing board.

On the agenda is framing and decking. I also have to admit that it will not be a fully framed model. Instead it will be ca 66% framed model. Apologies if that brakes any ones heart.

I have had some thoughts about framing and whether do go for bulkheads instead of built up frames and if built up frames would be the choice, how much detail do I put in?

The plan has 47 frames. To not bore myself to death I have come to the conclusion to fully frame the stern and then only go for the frames that have bulwark stanchions attached. That will reduce the tediousness down to 31 frames. This will still give me plenty of options for scale length planks in regards to fastening. 

What about internal members of the hull? Well, since I'm looking forward to the deck build an obvious choice is the sheer clamp (that's what it's called, right?). And that will be it, I think.

Initially I planned on going for apple for the frames. But I realize now, that if I do I will spend the rest of my life trying to fair the hull 😄 it.is.super.hard.

So birch it is bar the stanchions, they will be apple.

Here a screenshot of where I am at the moment. Frame 14. Ten frames done of which six are visible in the picture. I can quite easily explode the frames into members. In the real build each pair of frames consist of eight pieces plus the stanchions. I will probably cheat here and go for four plus the stanchions. Unless nature calls for more pieces like the double curved or so. We will see.

 

Tomorrow I'm in for a refill of the chemo. It will be the third of four doses and hence I'm halfway through this experience. Can't wait to be through it all together.

That's all for now.

Cheers!

 

[Jim Lad]

Sounds like a good plan to me, mate.

 

John

[Wintergreen]

So, this is where I'm at now.

Full set of cards... or frames rather. 31 of them.

I will shortly put together a more elaborate post about the progress, but just thought I had to share the progress with you.

I scrapped the 5-6 frames I already did a good while back to get to a working flow. And it payed out. Using different colors for aft, middle and front phase as well as setting the frame in question in a bright color (cyan) helped to keep track of where in the process I was.

 

Next up will be to explode each frame into separate members and organizing them on A4 for printouts. 

 

Thanks for likes and comments! Always appreciated.

Til next time, ta!

[wefalck]

Looking forward to how you will be treating the framing in the stern. I find that always a bit of challenge.

Edited February 4, 2022 by wefalck

[Wintergreen]

Definitely a challenge. I see that coming too.

A lot templates I guess. 

Pictures from the book on the real thing gives me guidance. They almost fill the entire stern with timbers to have the planks to meet timber at all times.

Templates.

 

Ready for planking. All timbers are in.

 

Waiting for the first planks to steady the hull.

[wefalck]

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Edited February 4, 2022 by wefalck
Unintended post ...

[rlb]

Just catching up on your build, Håkan.  I can tell it's going to be a beautiful model.

Ron

[Wintergreen]

Thanks @rlb, I will do my best 🙂 

[KeithAug]

On 2/4/2022 at 5:00 PM, Wintergreen said:

Next up will be to explode each frame into separate members and organizing them on A4 for printouts. 

 

I wish i had learned CAD. Too late now though for this old dog. 

 

On 2/4/2022 at 6:18 PM, Wintergreen said:

They almost fill the entire stern with timbers to have the planks to meet timber at all times.

 

 

It hurts my head trying to work out what they are doing?