Bill97 Posted July 3, 2022 Author Share #1261 Posted July 3, 2022 At my happy place again for a week! Ian_Grant, Dave_E, Hubac's Historian and 1 other 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill97 Posted July 3, 2022 Author Share #1262 Posted July 3, 2022 Ian with the whole extended family (51 people) on the Gulf coast! GrandpaPhil, Mexspur, Hubac's Historian and 2 others 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill97 Posted July 5, 2022 Author Share #1263 Posted July 5, 2022 Ocean and beach colors are beautiful this morning. Got to make the best of these days before heading back to the ship yard. dafi, Mexspur, Hubac's Historian and 2 others 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill97 Posted July 11, 2022 Author Share #1264 Posted July 11, 2022 Ok my MSW friends, I am back from the sea. Back in my shipyard and ready to do a bit of corrective surgery on my tye rigging. Going to replace the .75 mm thread I used for the tyes on the fore and main mast topsail yard with a .3 mm thread I have. Also debating, but not sure yet, changing the blocks I modified to attach to the backstays. Going to double check the size Longridge suggests for these blocks. I am thinking I maybe gone with a block just a bit smaller. I have to admit that never before on any ship I have built have I gone back and redone something already completed! Maybe I am maturing to a better craftsman. 😊 Hubac's Historian and europapete 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill97 Posted July 12, 2022 Author Share #1265 Posted July 12, 2022 Ok, much better. I changed out the tyes to smaller thread, replaced the single and double blocks, and improved the connector for the double block to attach to the backstay. While I was at it I also replaced the single and double blocks on the pendants above the deck opening where the boats go. Kevin’s painted printed blocks look better than the wood blocks at had there before. I am now back to where I was before going to the beach. Just better now Mexspur, Ian_Grant, Robert29 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill97 Posted July 15, 2022 Author Share #1266 Posted July 15, 2022 Doing a little long range thinking. As I mentioned before I plan to furl all my hand made sails so as to reveal all the ship craftsmanship. When it comes to the rigging I know there are a number of ropes (threads) that attach to the unfurled sails. What comes of/with those lines in a furled sail situation? Dave_E 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubac's Historian Posted July 15, 2022 Share #1267 Posted July 15, 2022 Wonderfull vacation pics, Bill. So nice to see such a big family all together! Dave_E 1 Quote We are all works in progress, all of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill97 Posted July 16, 2022 Author Share #1268 Posted July 16, 2022 Thanks Marc. It was a great bi-annual trip with my very large family to the Gulf coast of Florida. In the picture I am on the back row, left of center, next to a guy with a grey beard (son-in-law), and behind a lady with grey hair. What a crew from Louisville to be on vacation with. Needless to say, much Kentucky bourbon was shared in the evenings with those age appropriate! 😀 Good to get back to my Victory. Dave_E, Mexspur and Ian_Grant 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill97 Posted July 17, 2022 Author Share #1269 Posted July 17, 2022 I have been back in the shipyard about a week now so I thought I would post a progress report. Completed the parrals on the fore and mainmast yards that required them. I then moved to the mizzenmast. Completed the attachment of the crossjack yard to include the sling and pendants, and the mizzen topgallant yard with it’s tye. Still need to add the parral. Working with the parrals on the fore and main mast I have discovered it is easier to attach the yard using a pin into the mast and epoxy. Once dry and hardened I add the parral. Much easier this way and still adds strength to the yard mounting. Saved the middle yard to last since I find rigging it the most complicated with its tyes rigged to a modified block attached to the backstays. Ian_Grant, Dave_E and Mexspur 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill97 Posted July 19, 2022 Author Share #1270 Posted July 19, 2022 Mizzen topmast yard installed. Once glue sets up I will add parral and single tye as described by Longridge on page 258. While I wait I am reading ahead about the Driver Boom and Driver Gaff. I again have my Longridge book and studying pages 254-257 to include Fig 180. Any advice you guys can send my way before I get started as always is appreciated. Dave_E, Mexspur and Ryland Craze 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill97 Posted July 21, 2022 Author Share #1271 Posted July 21, 2022 Making parrals with Evergreen and dead beads for the mizzenmast top and topgallant yards. Mexspur and Dave_E 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill97 Posted July 24, 2022 Author Share #1272 Posted July 24, 2022 Today, July 24, 2022 I reached the total length of my HMS Victory with the installation of the Driver Boom to include the parral, horses, guy pendants, and topping lifts. Dave_E, Mexspur and Ian_Grant 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_E Posted July 24, 2022 Share #1273 Posted July 24, 2022 Hey Bill, why did you leave all your eyelets bare metal? I joined the build late, sorry if you answered this before. Quote Dave Current builds: Rattlesnake Completed builds: Lady Nelson On the shelf: NRG Half Hull Project, Various metal, plastic and paper models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill97 Posted July 25, 2022 Author Share #1274 Posted July 25, 2022 Hey Dave, leaving the eyelets I made bare metal was a decision I made early on to leave all the metal parts I added bare instead of blackening. I left all of the brass etched parts I got from Daniel bare metal as well and use brass polish to highlight them. I like the visual interest the bits of metal here and there adds to my model. I think if I had blackened all the metal parts, the extra time and effort spent, as well as the expense, would have been in time forgotten by me and ignored as being just black plastic pieces supplied in Heller’s kit. Mexspur and Dave_E 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veszett Roka Posted July 26, 2022 Share #1275 Posted July 26, 2022 Hi Bill, wouldn't you consider to loose a bit for the boom lifts? The boom is bent upward now, would be better to straighten it. Otherwise, it looks really cool. Dave_E 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill97 Posted July 26, 2022 Author Share #1276 Posted July 26, 2022 Veszett I actually thought the same thing after I took those photos. I did loosen the lifts to make it a bit more straight. Thanks Mexspur, Dave_E and Veszett Roka 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian_Grant Posted July 26, 2022 Share #1277 Posted July 26, 2022 Looks great Bill! Now you get the pleasure of trying to paint those darn lanterns. 😉 Mexspur and Dave_E 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill97 Posted July 27, 2022 Author Share #1278 Posted July 27, 2022 Ian I was looking at them just yesterday., along with Daniel’s brass parts for the supports. Trying to decide when to put them on. I know they are going to be tough to paint a susceptible to being bent once added to the ship. I looked through the Heller box to see what parts I still have left. There are not many. I have the boats and davits which I have already painted. I have the four anchors which I have already painted, I have the lanterns which are not painted, and I still need to make the rails using Daniel’s brass stanchions that go on the mast tops. Again with them I am trying to decide when it will be safe to add them. Ian I have a question I need your help with. I plan to make all my sails but have them appear stowed or furled. If I do that what do I do with the lines (I think the clewlines and buntlines?)? I assume they would still be attached to the sail for when the crew wanted to unfurl the sail. I noticed for your build you left the sails off. In that situation did you just not rig those lines? Left them off? Dave_E and Mexspur 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian_Grant Posted July 27, 2022 Share #1279 Posted July 27, 2022 Bill, If you furl sails the clewlines and buntlines remain attached and disappear into the folds. There are examples of this here on MSW. Don't forget the bowlines if you want to be detailed! Yes, I omitted sails but I didn't want to simplify the rigging too much, lest ship handling appear simple to the viewer. The clewlines I attached to the sheet lines which they would have met with at the corners of the sails anyway, as is common practice (this is what Longridge has drawn in his large running rigging diagram). The buntlines I passed through their blocks on the yard, then hitched to the yard. Similarly, I rigged the bowlines and bridles, with ends hitched to the yards. Also common practice. Dave_E and Mexspur 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill97 Posted July 27, 2022 Author Share #1280 Posted July 27, 2022 Thanks Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill97 Posted July 28, 2022 Author Share #1281 Posted July 28, 2022 Gaff rigging completed to include Throat Haliard, Peak Haliard, mizzen topsail braces, mizzen topgallant braces, and Vangs! Heller definitely did not plan on the need for extra cleats. I am having to fabricate them from old parts. Still have ti do the ensign haliard which I don’t have a complete grasp on yet. Veszett Roka, Mexspur and Dave_E 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill97 Posted July 29, 2022 Author Share #1282 Posted July 29, 2022 Lifts and buntlines completed for the foremast! I am thinking I need to start on the ratlines on my foremast. As I rig these different lines I am finding that I am getting them aromatherapy be and near the shrouds, especially the ones that belay to the shrouds or futtock shrouds. Dave_E, Ian_Grant, mtbediz and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill97 Posted July 30, 2022 Author Share #1283 Posted July 30, 2022 I have absolutely no idea why my auto correct substituted “aromatherapy be near” into my comment. 😀 That is what I get for hitting submit before I proof read what I type! Can’t even remember exactly what I intended to type. Dave_E, Mexspur and Ian_Grant 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill97 Posted July 30, 2022 Author Share #1284 Posted July 30, 2022 This is an interesting painting of the HMS Victory going into battle I saw on line. What I find interesting is the deployment of the sails. Would this have been the case from time to time? There are no sails on the top gallant yards. The topsails appear to be unfurled and the lower sails appear to be in a partially furled position. Can’t really figure out what is going on with the mizzenmast sails. Also appears the sail on the gaff is partially unfurled. This could be a depiction I try to capture with my sails. Dave_E 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian_Grant Posted July 30, 2022 Share #1285 Posted July 30, 2022 (edited) Hi Bill. When going into a classic battle they reduced to "fighting sail" mainly topsails, with lower sails at least clewed up because of the danger of their catching fire. The driver is partly brailed up. I don't see the driver boom so I wondered if this depiction is of Victory before her "great refit" when she still had the lateen mizzen lower yard; but I don't see its forward portion either. On the other hand, she seems to not have the black and yellow ochre colour scheme of later years. Also unable to make out if the stern has the galleries or not; these were present as built but closed in after her refit. I agree the mizzen topsail looks odd. Could it be she has lost the mizzen yard and the topsail is blowing free? If so it's an odd looking shape to take. I seem to be raising more questions than answers. Funny how painters commonly filled in battle foregrounds with men in boats. Any idea which battle this is? Edited July 30, 2022 by Ian_Grant Mexspur and Dave_E 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mexspur Posted July 30, 2022 Share #1286 Posted July 30, 2022 As far as I know, the boats have valuables in them. Anything that the officers don’t want to lose. Dave_E 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill97 Posted July 30, 2022 Author Share #1287 Posted July 30, 2022 Ian there is a YouTube video titled: Fighting Top to Keelson: Saving the Mainmast of HMS Victory You May have seen it. It is a video about engineers carefully removing the main mast for restoration. The painting I am referencing is shown right at the beginning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill97 Posted August 1, 2022 Author Share #1288 Posted August 1, 2022 Ratlines, ratlines, ratlines! Some may think I need to be on medication, but I actually enjoy tying ratlines. There is just something about the repetition and uniformity of the knots and precise rows I find peaceful. Ian_Grant, Keith Black and Mexspur 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_E Posted August 1, 2022 Share #1289 Posted August 1, 2022 You definitely have the “uniformity” thing down. 😀 What’s your secret? Mexspur 1 Quote Dave Current builds: Rattlesnake Completed builds: Lady Nelson On the shelf: NRG Half Hull Project, Various metal, plastic and paper models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill97 Posted August 1, 2022 Author Share #1290 Posted August 1, 2022 Dave it is just the piece of lined stiff card positioned behind the shrouds. Follow the line with the knots and don’t pull it to tight so I don’t distort the fall of the shrouds. And then a touch of diluted white glue once I am satisfied. Ian_Grant, Dave_E and Mexspur 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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