Soggysock Posted August 28, 2022 Share #1 Posted August 28, 2022 Hi all, I am new to model ship building always been a desire to start, and jumped in head first. First real project will be the model shipways learning trio of models. My question, if anyone can explain, I have watched umpteen u tube videos on the aspects of ship building and a number of them have mentioned impact glue for deck planking and second planking of the Hull. Is this the way to go or is individual planking using a good pva the way to go Looking forward to your comments, Bill. thibaultron and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaager Posted August 28, 2022 Share #2 Posted August 28, 2022 53 minutes ago, Soggysock said: impact glue for deck planking and second planking of the Hull This being my first exposure to the term "impact glue", I did a quick search and it cross referenced contact cement. Contact cement has no use in or on a wooden ship model. I would use their factor of suggesting the use of contact cement to be an absolute indicator that the author is someone to avoid and totally ignore. We have an on going disagreement between two camps on the use of CA - a sort of near instant quick grab. A very rough distinction is scratch/historian focus = CA-never and kit centric = CA is the new sliced bread. A close approximation for something that is a sort of contact cement = heat activated PVA. Yellow PVA - apply a wet coverage on both meeting surfaces- 100% wet but no blobs - let both surfaces dry/polymerize - when dry - joint and use an iron to reactivate to PVA for an instant grab. The wood layer being ironed must be thin enough for the heat to reach the PVA and the iron must be below the char the wood temp. Old school - three bonding agents are enough: PVA - yellow - wood to wood - the smaller the gap, the stronger the bond - starving a joint with too much pressure is not possible epoxy - metal to wood - tooth on the metal in the join is a good practice. PVA white bookbinder's pH7 neutral for rigging that is natural fiber - linen and cotton - Someone else will have to supply the bonding agent for line made from man-made synthetic fibers - a forbidden material for me. druxey, thibaultron, modeller_masa and 7 others 8 1 1 Quote NRG member 50 years Current: NMS HMS Ajax 1767 - 74-gun 3rd rate - 1:192 POF exploration - works but too intense -no margin for error HMS Centurion 1732 - 60-gun 4th rate - POF Navall Timber framing HMS Beagle 1831 refiit 10-gun brig with a small mizzen - POF Navall (ish) Timber framing The U.S. Ex. Ex. 1838-1842 Flying Fish 1838 pilot schooner - POF framed - ready for stern timbers Porpose II 1836 brigantine/brig - POF framed - ready for hawse and stern timbers Vincennes 1825 Sloop-of-War - POF timbers assembled, need shaping Peacock 1828 Sloop-of -War - POF timbers ready for assembly Sea Gull 1838 pilot schooner - POF timbers ready for assembly Relief 1835 packet hull USN ship - POF timbers ready for assembly Other Portsmouth 1843 Sloop-of-War - POF timbers ready for assembly Le Commerce de Marseilles 1788 118 cannons - POF framed La Renommee 1744 Frigate - POF framed - ready for hawse and stern timbers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allanyed Posted August 29, 2022 Share #3 Posted August 29, 2022 A warm welcome to you here at MSW Bill. In short..... what Jaager said. Take it all very seriously. 2 hours ago, Soggysock said: shipways learning trio of models. My question, if anyone can explain, I have watched umpteen u tube videos on the aspects of ship building and a number of them have mentioned impact glue for deck planking and second planking of the Hull. GOOD FOR YOU starting with the top quality beginner series!!! I did not realize any of the three vessels in the three part series had a double layer of hull planking. Is that correct? Double planking is mostly found in lesser quality kits but this series is tops. Allan Bob Cleek, mtaylor, thibaultron and 2 others 5 Quote PLEASE take 30 SECONDS and sign up for the epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series. Click on http://trafalgar.tv There is no cost other than the 30 seconds of your time. THANK YOU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Pellett Posted August 29, 2022 Share #4 Posted August 29, 2022 Keep in mind too that CA glues (Superglue) have nasty fumes that can cause an allergic reaction. Personal experience! Roger mtaylor, Canute and thibaultron 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soggysock Posted August 29, 2022 Author Share #5 Posted August 29, 2022 6 hours ago, allanyed said: A warm welcome to you here at MSW Bill. In short..... what Jaager said. Take it all very seriously. GOOD FOR YOU starting with the top quality beginner series!!! I did not realize any of the three vessels in the three part series had a double layer of hull planking. Is that correct? Double planking is mostly found in lesser quality kits but this series is tops. Allan Thank you Allan, I am looking to progress to bluenose next and impact glue was mentioned for the decking. thibaultron, Canute and mtaylor 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soggysock Posted August 29, 2022 Author Share #6 Posted August 29, 2022 8 hours ago, allanyed said: A warm welcome to you here at MSW Bill. In short..... what Jaager said. Take it all very seriously. GOOD FOR YOU starting with the top quality beginner series!!! I did not realize any of the three vessels in the three part series had a double layer of hull planking. Is that correct? Double planking is mostly found in lesser quality kits but this series is tops. Allan Thank you Allan, you are right in saying these vessels have no double planking. My assumption was based on various u tubes. My intention is to move on to more challenging pieces but want to take baby steps initially, expensive hobby to take up if not fully focused. When I start am I ok to show progress through the build log? Cheers Bill. allanyed, Canute, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlevine Posted August 29, 2022 Share #7 Posted August 29, 2022 Absolutely start a build log. You will receive encouragement and (if you ask for it) guidance. I use PVA glue almost exclusively unless I am gluing dissimilar materials (wood to metal), in which case I will use epoxy or CA. Canute, allanyed, thibaultron and 4 others 6 1 Quote Toni Chairman Nautical Research Guild Member Nautical Research and Model Society Member Midwest Model Shipwrights Current Builds: Utrecht-1742 Completed Builds: Longboat - 1:48 scale HMS Atalanta-1775 - 1:48 scale Half Hull Planking Project Capstan Project Swallow 1779 - 1:48 scale Echo Cross Section NRG Rigging Project Utrecht-1742 Gallery: Hannah - 1:36 scale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harlequin Posted August 29, 2022 Share #8 Posted August 29, 2022 just go out and enjoy your model making...there are too many people in this world that get hung up over trivia... Captain Shaun, thibaultron, CPDDET and 2 others 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Shaun Posted August 30, 2022 Share #9 Posted August 30, 2022 (edited) 14 hours ago, harlequin said: just go out and enjoy your model making...there are too many people in this world that get hung up over trivia... In Model Railroading we call them rivet counters. As in any hobby enjoy it at whatever level you like, some just like to watch toy trains go round and round in circles and some built museum quality dioramas that never move but both are happy. Edited August 30, 2022 by Captain Shaun Spelling correction Soggysock, CPDDET, BikerMart and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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