Impact glue

[Soggysock]

Hi all,

I am new to model ship building always been a desire to start, and jumped in head first.

First real project will be the model shipways learning trio of models.

My question, if anyone can explain, I have watched umpteen u tube videos on the aspects of ship building and a number of them have mentioned impact glue for deck planking and second planking of the Hull. Is this the way to go or is individual planking using a good pva the way to go

 

Looking forward to your comments,

 

Bill.

[Jaager]

53 minutes ago, Soggysock said:

impact glue for deck planking and second planking of the Hull

This being my first exposure to the term "impact glue",  I did a quick search and it cross referenced contact cement.

Contact cement has no use in or on a wooden ship model.   I would use their factor of suggesting the use of contact cement to be an absolute indicator that the author is someone to avoid and totally ignore.

 

We have an on going disagreement between two camps on the use of CA - a sort of near instant quick grab.   A very rough distinction is  scratch/historian focus = CA-never   and kit centric = CA is the new sliced bread.   

A close approximation for something that is a sort of contact cement =    heat activated PVA.

Yellow PVA -  apply a wet coverage on both meeting surfaces-  100% wet but no blobs -  let both surfaces dry/polymerize  - when dry - joint and use an iron to reactivate to PVA for an instant grab.   The wood layer being ironed must be thin enough  for the heat to reach the PVA and the iron must be below the char the wood temp.

 

Old school - three bonding agents are enough:

PVA - yellow  - wood to wood  -  the smaller the gap, the stronger the bond - starving a joint with too much pressure is not possible

epoxy  -  metal to wood -  tooth on the metal in the join is a good practice.

PVA white bookbinder's pH7  neutral   for rigging that is natural fiber - linen and cotton - 

Someone else will have to supply the bonding agent for line made from man-made synthetic fibers -  a forbidden material for me.

[allanyed]

A warm welcome to you here at MSW Bill.

In short..... what Jaager said.   Take it all very seriously.

 

2 hours ago, Soggysock said:

shipways learning trio of models.

My question, if anyone can explain, I have watched umpteen u tube videos on the aspects of ship building and a number of them have mentioned impact glue for deck planking and second planking of the Hull.

GOOD FOR YOU starting with the  top quality beginner series!!!   I did not realize any of the three vessels in the three part series had a double layer of hull planking.  Is that correct?  Double planking is mostly found in lesser quality kits but this series is tops.

 

Allan 

[Roger Pellett]

Keep in mind too that CA glues (Superglue) have nasty fumes that can cause an allergic reaction.  Personal experience!

 

Roger

[Soggysock]

6 hours ago, allanyed said:

A warm welcome to you here at MSW Bill.

In short..... what Jaager said.   Take it all very seriously.

 

GOOD FOR YOU starting with the  top quality beginner series!!!   I did not realize any of the three vessels in the three part series had a double layer of hull planking.  Is that correct?  Double planking is mostly found in lesser quality kits but this series is tops.

 

Allan 

Thank you Allan, I am looking to progress to bluenose next and impact glue was mentioned for the decking. 

[Soggysock]

8 hours ago, allanyed said:

A warm welcome to you here at MSW Bill.

In short..... what Jaager said.   Take it all very seriously.

 

GOOD FOR YOU starting with the  top quality beginner series!!!   I did not realize any of the three vessels in the three part series had a double layer of hull planking.  Is that correct?  Double planking is mostly found in lesser quality kits but this series is tops.

 

Allan 

Thank you Allan, you are right in saying these vessels have no double planking. My assumption was based on various u tubes. My intention is to move on to more challenging pieces but want to take baby steps initially,  expensive hobby to take up if not fully focused. When I start am I ok to show progress through the build log?

 

Cheers

 

Bill.

[tlevine]

Absolutely start a build log.  You will receive encouragement and (if you ask for it) guidance.  I use PVA glue almost exclusively unless I am gluing dissimilar materials (wood to metal), in which case I will use epoxy or CA.

[harlequin]

just go out and enjoy your model making...there are too many people in this world that get hung up over trivia...

[Captain Shaun]

14 hours ago, harlequin said:

just go out and enjoy your model making...there are too many people in this world that get hung up over trivia...

In Model Railroading we call them rivet counters. As in any hobby enjoy it at whatever level you like, some just like to watch toy trains go round and round in circles and some built museum quality dioramas that never move but both are happy.

Edited August 30, 2022 by Captain Shaun
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