Mary Rose by Baker - scale 1/50 - "Your Noblest Shippe"

[Louie da fly]

As I mentioned above, the bowsprit seems to have often been somewhat offset, probably to avoid the foremast.

 

Steven

[Baker]

Indeed 👍

[Baker]

After testing where the foremast and bowsprit could be placed.

A base of the forecastle with the curved sides is glued to it.

Final check if it is neatly straight.

Everything is ready to start on the sides

[Louie da fly]

Beautiful work, Patrick. This is such a good build. My hat is off to you, sir - not just for this last bit of work, but for the whole project. Superb.

 

Steven

[MikkiC]

Amazing

[Baker]

The planking has started. At the bottom, first 3 regular planks and above that, clinker planking will be placed.

Stock of deck planking sawn.

And the lowest deck is planked. This will be virtually invisible later, so I didn't spend much time on it.

And now, placing the frames

[Louie da fly]

Nice work, Patrick.

 

Steven

[Snug Harbor Johnny]

  Since the forecastle houses the 'heads',  do you want to cut out waste holes for, say, a three-holer on each side?  Having to carry waste out in buckets to throw over the side is a non-value added activity ... and risks soiling the side of the hull - or slipping in heavy swells and spilling it over the deck!

[Baker]

On 11/6/2024 at 7:04 PM, Snug Harbor Johnny said:

  Since the forecastle houses the 'heads',  do you want to cut out waste holes for, say, a three-holer on each side?  Having to carry waste out in buckets to throw over the side is a non-value added activity ... and risks soiling the side of the hull - or slipping in heavy swells and spilling it over the deck!

good question. I haven't really thought about this.

Anyone have any suggestions??

[Veszett Roka]

If i remember well, someone built a ship from the same era which named Pelican and renamed later to Golden Hind (i know the differences though )  So at the forecastle's bottom holes (pun intended) would be sufficient i guess. The only difference that Mary Rose's sailors could enjoy the heads in rain as they are covered by the forecastle.

[Slowhand]

Perhaps the planks  nearby could be “butted” together. 
 

Nice build by the way enjoy seeing  how you build sections up.

 

[Baker]

9 hours ago, Veszett Roka said:

If i remember well, someone built a ship from the same era which named Pelican

I had an extensive discussion with that person (in front of the mirror ).
We will provide heads in the fore castle. There is definitely room for 4

 

47 minutes ago, Slowhand said:

Nice build by the way enjoy seeing  how you build sections up.

Thanks

 

On 11/6/2024 at 7:04 PM, Snug Harbor Johnny said:

  Since the forecastle houses the 'heads',  do you want to cut out waste holes for, say, a three-holer on each side?  Having to carry waste out in buckets to throw over the side is a non-value added activity ... and risks soiling the side of the hull - or slipping in heavy swells and spilling it over the deck!

Thank you for bringing up this topic, 👍

[Snug Harbor Johnny]

   Now the Mary Rose was built way before there was anything like a Sears catalog, but a source indicates that in Roman times there was a sponge on a stick placed in a water bucket at the latrines, and all the men used the same implement to clean themselves.  Maybe there was something like that in Henry's time.

[Veszett Roka]

Apart from this is really need research, i don't think that sponge thing. Ancient Romans were surrounded the Mediterranean where natural sponges was plenty. But in cold seas this feature should prove damn expensive, and sailors weren't so refined to allow themselves such luxury. I guess they clean their parts once a day, maybe twice a week? Bathing by saltwater, using a bucket, no more.

[davyboy]

14 hours ago, Snug Harbor Johnny said:

   Now the Mary Rose was built way before there was anything like a Sears catalog, but a source indicates that in Roman times there was a sponge on a stick placed in a water bucket at the latrines, and all the men used the same implement to clean themselves.  Maybe there was something like that in Henry's time.

That brought back a few memories for me. Back in the 1960's I was in the RAF and stationed in Bahrein our sea angling club used to regularly go on weekend fishing trips on Arab boats. No such luxury as a sponge on a stick there,a packing case hung over the stern with a plank knocked out of the bottom and a bucket on a rope for ones ablutions. No one I knew took bog paper with them  Happy days,at least the sea was warm there.

[MikkiC]

On 11/12/2024 at 4:13 PM, Snug Harbor Johnny said:

   Now the Mary Rose was built way before there was anything like a Sears catalog, but a source indicates that in Roman times there was a sponge on a stick placed in a water bucket at the latrines, and all the men used the same implement to clean themselves.  Maybe there was something like that in Henry's time.

And I'm pretty sure this is why women weren't on ships back then. I could think of few things I would like less! 😬

[Baker]

Forecastle update.

 

All frames are placed

A temporary support is placed at the top.
And there are 2 cannon ports. To place 4 according to the Anthony roll, the fore castle is too small in my opinion.

The interior finish is in the same line as the rearcastle.

The higher planking is according to the clinker method

Thanks for following

[Louie da fly]

Patrick, in Australian terminology, you're a dead-set legend!

 

On 11/13/2024 at 8:13 AM, Snug Harbor Johnny said:

in Roman times there was a sponge on a stick placed in a water bucket at the latrines, and all the men used the same implement to clean themselves.  Maybe there was something like that in Henry's time.

Perhaps this is not the time to repeat the joke about the Scottish soldiers and the wire brush?

 

Steven

[Baker]

heads, toilets... yes or no?
when I was on a NATO maneuver in West Germany  (1983). If you had to... Then you dug a hole, covered it with sand, and that's it.
Or there was a forest full of trees....

 

off topic, but...
Much later I had a Polish colleague at work who is the same age as me.
I said it was their fault that I had to join the army. because the Warsaw Pact was preparing an invasion of Western Europe.
No he said, I had to join the army because NATO was preparing an invasion against the Warsaw Pact.

🤔

[Barbossa]

"heads, toilets... yes or no?" 

Just my 5 eurocents : It's ok putting extra effort in extra detail as long as it is visible/noticeable.

 

Off topic : also served in Germany 1982-1983. 

[MikkiC]

Interesting to see the perspectives from both sides.....

[Alvb]

Off topic:

lupus est homo homini, non homo, quom qualis sit non novit

[Baker]

Forecastle update

The lowest deck is starting to become difficult to reach and has therefore been treated with a layer of Danish oil

Almost forgotten, the bowsprit

Determine roughly where it comes with a dumimy . The right angle is ??

something like this?

close but it fits. 

And is supported.

The shape of the front part under the bowsprit still needs to be adjusted.
How exactly, I don't know yet

[Baker]

And in the log from @djford we @Louie da fly had the question how to get to the lowest deck of the fore castle.

 

Exceptionally  images from the book. According to them it is possible that the ladder on cabin 4 continues to this deck on the fore castle

 

 

According to that explanation it could be something like this

Fore castle 1/50  drawing 1/100

Actually,this is not possible i think
If this staircase (yellow) continues at the back of cabin 4 (white area) further on the outside of the castle, you'll be stuck against the anti-boarding net (red).
The staircase(s) must therefore be in the castle

[djford]

Agreed - just catching up on this and I think the staircase must be inside, possibly even further forward. There was simply not enough room on the waist to have it much further aft. Your forecastle is looking great, very inspiring!

[MikkiC]

That looks amazing.

Edited November 28 by MikkiC
Mistake

[druxey]

A less exposed companion (ladder) inside the castle would make more sense as well. Should the ship be boarded, it would be much easier to defend on the castle than an exterior ladder or pair of ladders.

[Alvb]

I agree with that.

A narrow, steep ladder far forward would be conceivable. In a very confined space with a narrow staircase, boarding parties would have difficulty storming the fort. One after the other they could be repelled from above.

Thus, the narrowness would be strategically advantageous.

[Baker]

Indeed, a ladder inside.

the pointed shape of fore castles like this  are really awkward.
No wonder that they later switched to another more spacious shape (galleon).

[Louie da fly]

That's looking very good, Patrick. Beautiful work.

 

Steven