aliluke Posted May 5, 2023 Author Share #31 Posted May 5, 2023 Thanks Allan It is a VM kit and I went with what was supplied. A wider or thicker plank might be historically correct but the contortions I put the planks through while gluing them would be much more difficult. Essentially I am edge bending and twisting during the gluing process using my highly specialised clamps = fingernails and thumb! A wider and thicker plank would resist that very gently applied pressure. But you give me thoughts for the future. Cheers A Ryland Craze 1 Quote Cheers Alistair Current Build - HMS Fly by aliluke - Victory Models - 1/64 https://modelshipworld.com/topic/34180-hms-fly-by-aliluke-victory-models-164/ Previous Build - Armed Virginia Sloop by Model Shipways Previous Build - Dutch Whaler by Sergal (hull only, no log) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allanyed Posted May 5, 2023 Share #32 Posted May 5, 2023 6 hours ago, aliluke said: Essentially I am edge bending and twisting Like hull planking, it is easy to shape the planks using the method Chuck Passaro describes in his four part video that has been posted here at MSW and can be Googled. That, or spile the planks as has been done on both ships and models. Hope you give it a try in the future and like the results. Allan Quote PLEASE take 30 SECONDS and sign up for the epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series. Click on http://trafalgar.tv There is no cost other than the 30 seconds of your time. THANK YOU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryland Craze Posted May 7, 2023 Share #33 Posted May 7, 2023 On 5/5/2023 at 2:40 AM, aliluke said: I am edge bending and twisting during the gluing process using my highly specialised clamps = fingernails and thumb! The best clamps ever made. You did an excellent job on building your launch. I did not realize how small it was until I saw the picture of you holding it. Quote Ryland Member - Hampton Roads Ship Model Society - Ship Model Society of New Jersey - Nautical Research Guild Current Build - Armed Virginia Sloop, 18th Century Longboat Completed Build - Medway Longboat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliluke Posted June 11, 2023 Author Share #34 Posted June 11, 2023 I have, when time allows, been tinkering away at the VM 26' Launch. It is a relentlessly tricky little kit and I'll be glad to get back to the main subject - HMS Fly - next. My launch is pretty well a straight out of the box kit. The main floor didn't fit so I removed the outer planks. I added an anchor rope. I shaped the oar handles and blades but inserted them into a micro brass tube for the shafts and added a leather? thickening where they base through the oarlock slots. I painted the upper works red as that suited my ship's Captain. Even though I didn't need to, I painted below the waterline in a creamy white. My hull planking allowed it to be left natural but I thought that would look odd on a ship with a copper bottom. Some photos (which show touch-ups required). I have yet to stow the oars which promises to be as fiddly as everything else was. CiscoH, dunnock, bruce d and 13 others 15 1 Quote Cheers Alistair Current Build - HMS Fly by aliluke - Victory Models - 1/64 https://modelshipworld.com/topic/34180-hms-fly-by-aliluke-victory-models-164/ Previous Build - Armed Virginia Sloop by Model Shipways Previous Build - Dutch Whaler by Sergal (hull only, no log) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitejamest Posted June 11, 2023 Share #35 Posted June 11, 2023 That's a fantastic looking boat. And I think the brass tubing for the shafts of the oars has come out well, nice idea. AJohnson 1 Quote Current build: HMS Speedy, Vanguard Models 1:64 Past Projects: 18th Century Longboat, Model Shipways, 1:48 22 Foot Yawl, Vanguard Models, 1:64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Wellington Posted June 12, 2023 Share #36 Posted June 12, 2023 Looking very nice Alistair, Colour scheme is a nice change. AJohnson 1 Quote Cheers, Jason "Which it will be ready when it is ready!" In the shipyard: HMS Jason (c.1794: Artois Class 38 gun frigate) Queen Anne Royal Barge (c.1700) Finished: HMS Snake (c.1797: Cruizer Class, ship rigged sloop) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpalmer1970 Posted June 13, 2023 Share #37 Posted June 13, 2023 Great work! Quote -‐-‐-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Current Build Hayling Hoy 1760 - First POF scratch build Completed HMB Endeavour's Longboat by Artesania Latina Completed HM Armed Cutter Alert by Vanguard Models Completed 18ft cutter and 34ft launch by Vanguard Models Completed Pen Duick by Artesania Latina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliluke Posted June 13, 2023 Author Share #38 Posted June 13, 2023 Thanks all for comments and likes. Jpalmer - your renditions of these little kits are brilliant, I looked at them often - cleaner than mine and you'll know how hard but satisfying they are to make. Thanks to VM I have a boat that'll do good grace on my ship but I'm also going to do the 28' pinnace to see if it is a better alternative on the chocks. The launch was practice. I think...Either way I'll have two little standalone kits. AJohnson 1 Quote Cheers Alistair Current Build - HMS Fly by aliluke - Victory Models - 1/64 https://modelshipworld.com/topic/34180-hms-fly-by-aliluke-victory-models-164/ Previous Build - Armed Virginia Sloop by Model Shipways Previous Build - Dutch Whaler by Sergal (hull only, no log) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allanyed Posted June 13, 2023 Share #39 Posted June 13, 2023 Lovely build! One question/comment, hope that is OK, The davit for working the ship's anchors looks thin. Looking at contemporary launch drawings they were typically 7.5 to 8 inches wide (3mm at your scale), had a roller at the outboard end, and were supported on the sides by the runners so would be nearly touching them. From the photos the one in the model looks closer to 1mm. I hope this is not coming across as picky but it sort of jumped out for me from a functionality point. Allan AJohnson 1 Quote PLEASE take 30 SECONDS and sign up for the epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series. Click on http://trafalgar.tv There is no cost other than the 30 seconds of your time. THANK YOU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Ensign Posted June 13, 2023 Share #40 Posted June 13, 2023 I would agree with you Allan, the thinness of the davit struck me immediately when I built the launch for my Sphinx build. I doubled up on the kit measurements to allow for the inclusion of the roller, a fairly simple mod if the look offends the eye. PS. Alistair - I went for the Pinnace on the spare topmasts, I think the more elegant lines suit the Swan better. B.E. allanyed and AJohnson 2 Quote Current Build: HMS Indefatigable-1794-by-blue-ensign-vanguard-models-164-scale Medway-longboat-1742-by-blue-ensign-½”-scale Completed builds: HMS Sphinx 1775 by Blue Ensign. 1:64 scale - Vanguard Models Queen-Anne-Royal-Barge-circa-1700-by-Blue-Ensign Fifie fishing boat Lady Eleanor Muirneag-1903-–-a-scottish-zulu-fishing-boat-164-scale-based-on-the-vanguard-models-zulu-kit/ HM Cutter Alert 1777 HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 18th-century-English-longboat-by-Blue-Ensign-ms-148-scale/ finished 18thc English Pinnace by Blue Ensign-Model-Shipways-1:24 scale/ finished HMS-Pegasus-by-Blue-Ensign-finished-Victory-Models-1:64-scale/ Heller Seventy-four 1:150 scale - modified Le Superbe/Le Glorieux kit after Boudriot, waterline setting with sails. The schooner Pickle, Jotika pob kit 1:64 scale, my interpretation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliluke Posted June 13, 2023 Author Share #41 Posted June 13, 2023 I did see the thickening of the davit on another kit like this. I planned to do that but quite simply forgot when I fixed it in place! Now that I am reminded, I might see if I can remove it. Yes Maurice I recall your pinnace - the launch was a practice and the plan is for the pinnace which I'll do later. The only problem is that the VM version is 28' which may be a tad long (I recall that yours is 26'). When it comes to it, I'll have a choice as I'm happy enough with my practice launch. allanyed, Beef Wellington, CiscoH and 3 others 6 Quote Cheers Alistair Current Build - HMS Fly by aliluke - Victory Models - 1/64 https://modelshipworld.com/topic/34180-hms-fly-by-aliluke-victory-models-164/ Previous Build - Armed Virginia Sloop by Model Shipways Previous Build - Dutch Whaler by Sergal (hull only, no log) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allanyed Posted June 15, 2023 Share #42 Posted June 15, 2023 (edited) The below may help although it does not show the side supports. I have seen contemporary drawings that show them and others that do not. Why the kit would have something so thin is odd as the other items in the kit seems to be done so well. Perhaps there were two pieces that were supposed to be sandwiched together with the sheave between??? IF you are mounting the launch on the ship, the davit would not be in place so removing it may be an alternative way to go. Allan Edited June 20, 2023 by allanyed AJohnson 1 Quote PLEASE take 30 SECONDS and sign up for the epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series. Click on http://trafalgar.tv There is no cost other than the 30 seconds of your time. THANK YOU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliluke Posted June 19, 2023 Author Share #43 Posted June 19, 2023 Thanks Allan It is always good to improve my knowledge of ship matters to make a more authentic rendition in a model. I will bide my time looking for a fix and may settle for the more elegant VM pinnace when I build that. Certainly it is a single piece in the model but takes nothing away from the quality of the kit for me, as a purist would spot it and fix it with ease. It's good to know that someone with your keen eye finds the rest of the kit so good. AJohnson 1 Quote Cheers Alistair Current Build - HMS Fly by aliluke - Victory Models - 1/64 https://modelshipworld.com/topic/34180-hms-fly-by-aliluke-victory-models-164/ Previous Build - Armed Virginia Sloop by Model Shipways Previous Build - Dutch Whaler by Sergal (hull only, no log) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliluke Posted July 9, 2023 Author Share #44 Posted July 9, 2023 (edited) Hi I am going very slow...Next little thing to make was the stern lantern using the Syren Model 1/64 version. A truly brilliant mini kit but very tricky to build. To call this small is very much an understatement - it is tiny and some parts ridiculously so. The macro photography takes you way beyond beyond what you can see. For absurd detail, I added a wick to the candle. The only panic was popping a glazing panel inwards during handling after fixing the top on. I drilled a hole through the door and gently pushed it back into place with a wire. First rule when modelling at this size and breaking something - don't panic and find the fix. Only departure from the kit is the crank - basswood in the kit but I replaced with 1mm diameter solid brass rod which is fitted into a hole drilled into the base parts. It feels much more solid than a bit of wood glued to the base. The lantern catches the setting sun as HMS Fly sails out of Dusky Sound, Fiordland, New Zealand - the background photo is taken by me in Dusky Sound and is my computer wallpaper (it is not is not blurry in reality!) Edited July 9, 2023 by aliluke Add image hamilton, CODY, Blue Ensign and 7 others 10 Quote Cheers Alistair Current Build - HMS Fly by aliluke - Victory Models - 1/64 https://modelshipworld.com/topic/34180-hms-fly-by-aliluke-victory-models-164/ Previous Build - Armed Virginia Sloop by Model Shipways Previous Build - Dutch Whaler by Sergal (hull only, no log) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Wellington Posted July 9, 2023 Share #45 Posted July 9, 2023 Well done Alistair, I also have these beauties in waiting and you've set a very high bar. Love the wick, just out of interest what did you use? Your thought on the wire support seems a good one. AJohnson 1 Quote Cheers, Jason "Which it will be ready when it is ready!" In the shipyard: HMS Jason (c.1794: Artois Class 38 gun frigate) Queen Anne Royal Barge (c.1700) Finished: HMS Snake (c.1797: Cruizer Class, ship rigged sloop) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliluke Posted July 9, 2023 Author Share #46 Posted July 9, 2023 Thanks for the Likes Thanks Jason. I can't imagine you having any problem with this little kit! The wick is just a length of the wire supplied in the kit, glued into a hole drilled in the top of the candle and then snipped down to a sensible height. Ryland Craze and AJohnson 2 Quote Cheers Alistair Current Build - HMS Fly by aliluke - Victory Models - 1/64 https://modelshipworld.com/topic/34180-hms-fly-by-aliluke-victory-models-164/ Previous Build - Armed Virginia Sloop by Model Shipways Previous Build - Dutch Whaler by Sergal (hull only, no log) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveBaxt Posted July 14, 2023 Share #47 Posted July 14, 2023 Some really nice work there Alistair and a credit to the hobby. Thank you for sharing your build with us. AJohnson, CiscoH, Knocklouder and 1 other 4 Quote Completed St Canute Billings Dec 2020 Completed HMS Bounty Amati May 2021 Finished Currently building HM Bark Endeavour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliluke Posted October 22, 2023 Author Share #48 Posted October 22, 2023 Hi It's been a while. I've had major health setbacks which I won't bore you with but they taken away time to work on Fly. I have managed to finish the 28' pinnace by Vanguard Models. An amazing little kit but trickier to build than the VM launch. Some minor changes to the kit that I made: - Added mast steps - Added ringbolt to the front eyebolt - Added locker to the stern seat - Added capping rails to the stern transoms - Added anchor rope The colour scheme is just my choice. I know there are some historical inaccuracies but I'm mostly building out of the box and looking for ease rather than historical perfection. I stole the oars from the launch... Slight annoyance - there is a knot in the third thwart from the bow. Nothing I can do about that but it looks like a stain... JacquesCousteau, CiscoH, realworkingsailor and 7 others 10 Quote Cheers Alistair Current Build - HMS Fly by aliluke - Victory Models - 1/64 https://modelshipworld.com/topic/34180-hms-fly-by-aliluke-victory-models-164/ Previous Build - Armed Virginia Sloop by Model Shipways Previous Build - Dutch Whaler by Sergal (hull only, no log) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Ensign Posted October 22, 2023 Share #49 Posted October 22, 2023 Neat job Alistair, she looks good.👍I found the Pinnace the trickiest to build as well. I hope your health is improving. Regards, B.E. Knocklouder, CiscoH and AJohnson 3 Quote Current Build: HMS Indefatigable-1794-by-blue-ensign-vanguard-models-164-scale Medway-longboat-1742-by-blue-ensign-½”-scale Completed builds: HMS Sphinx 1775 by Blue Ensign. 1:64 scale - Vanguard Models Queen-Anne-Royal-Barge-circa-1700-by-Blue-Ensign Fifie fishing boat Lady Eleanor Muirneag-1903-–-a-scottish-zulu-fishing-boat-164-scale-based-on-the-vanguard-models-zulu-kit/ HM Cutter Alert 1777 HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 18th-century-English-longboat-by-Blue-Ensign-ms-148-scale/ finished 18thc English Pinnace by Blue Ensign-Model-Shipways-1:24 scale/ finished HMS-Pegasus-by-Blue-Ensign-finished-Victory-Models-1:64-scale/ Heller Seventy-four 1:150 scale - modified Le Superbe/Le Glorieux kit after Boudriot, waterline setting with sails. The schooner Pickle, Jotika pob kit 1:64 scale, my interpretation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiscoH Posted October 22, 2023 Share #50 Posted October 22, 2023 thats a good looking pinnace Alistair. i especially like the smooth sweep of the paint on the hull. i hope your health issues have gone back to being background noise cisco AJohnson, Ryland Craze and Knocklouder 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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