making ships cannons without a wood lathe

[tkay11]

On 4/17/2023 at 7:45 PM, Gregory said:

I'll try to find a method by one of our members who used rolled up paper.  They looked as good as any I have seen..

 

 

In addition to Doris' famous card models, I remember George Bandurek's guns on his Sherbourne were made of paper. I have a feeling George's build was lost in the first MSW crash some years ago, but he wrote a book about it, and in that post he has a pdf download on how he made the paper cannon.

 

Tony

[grsjax]

18 hours ago, Benjamin sullivan said:

blow torch could probably be used to melt it but I don't have one.

Depends on the alloy you choose.  Some can be melted on a stove.

[John Fox III]

On 4/17/2023 at 6:05 PM, Benjamin sullivan said:

that is not something I would have thought ,of it will be interesting to see what that looks like.

Greetings,

Ask and ye shall see! <Grin> Here are some photos of construction and final carrnoades for my 1:200 scale model of Lawrence/Niagara.

Anchor's A Weigh!

John Fox III

Edited April 19, 2023 by John Fox III

[allanyed]

Hi Benjamin,

 

At fifteen years old you may very well be our youngest ship modeler at MSW.  Congratulations!

 

I realize all this might becoming a jigsaw puzzle of sorts for you.  Just take a step or two at a time and it will all come together.

Let us know what size you decide to go with and I will send you the appropriate 3D drawings if I have them for the sizes you need. 

 

It may be easy to confirm the scale if you can let us know what the size of the paper plan is?  If it is 1:70 scale I am guessing they are about 36" X 24"

 

Allan 

 

Edited April 19, 2023 by allanyed

[Lieste]

Those two stern chase ports (at least) should be unfilled, or use the guns from the aftmost broadside QD port. Guns would not be supplied to both in general, especially when so cramped - both couldn't recoil without contact and/or serious risk to guns crew.

I also question the number of QD/FC ordnance in general - my notes indicate only 10 6pdrs as built (all on QD?), 16 24pdr carronades as refitted following her first cruise, and 20 total once refitted in 1810 with her final 32pdr carronade establishment (though 4 of them are then the 12pdr guns, with another 2 of these also on the upper deck (main battery deck))

[Benjamin sullivan]

2 hours ago, allanyed said:

Hi Benjamin,

 

At fifteen years old you may very well be our youngest ship modeler at MSW.  Congratulations!

 

I realize might becoming a jigsaw puzzle of sorts for you.  Just take a step or two at a time and it will all come together.

Let us know what size you decide to go with and I will send you the appropriate 3D drawings if I have them for the sizes you need. 

 

It may be easy to confirm the scale if you can let us know what the size of the paper plan is?  If it is 1:70 scale I am guessing they are about 36" X 24"

 

Allan 

 

thank you...the plans appear to be 25" by 17 1/2". To get that size I basiclly looked at mesurements on the plans and kept making them bigger intel a 3in long thing on the plans was 3 in then I glued like 16 pages together. The type of cannon I like the most are the like the ones on the plans, so the size of cannon I will  go with is 25mm long as it will also should be to size with the plans.

Edited April 19, 2023 by Benjamin sullivan

[Benjamin sullivan]

35 minutes ago, Lieste said:

Those two stern chase ports (at least) should be unfilled, or use the guns from the aftmost broadside QD port. Guns would not be supplied to both in general, especially when so cramped - both couldn't recoil without contact and/or serious risk to guns crew.

I also question the number of QD/FC ordnance in general - my notes indicate only 10 6pdrs as built (all on QD?), 16 24pdr carronades as refitted following her first cruise, and 20 total once refitted in 1810 with her final 32pdr carronade establishment (though 4 of them are then the 12pdr guns, with another 2 of these also on the upper deck (main battery deck))

I agree with you on those last two they seem pretty haserdise, so yea I might not add them.

[Benjamin sullivan]

5 hours ago, grsjax said:

Depends on the alloy you choose.  Some can be melted on a stove.

that's true, but my parents might not be happy if I burn the house down.

[allanyed]

3 hours ago, Benjamin sullivan said:

25" by 17 1/2".

If that is the case, the plans appear to be scaled at 1" = 100"    A 1" long gun would be just short of a 8' 6" barrel.  I am PM'g you 3D drawings of 9 and 18 pounder guns in that length that you can use to get these 3D printed in black resin.   Let me know if you need contact information on a printer or you can give them to a printer close to your home to discuss.   These will be FULL size drawings so you need to tell your printer you want them scaled down to 1:100.

Allan

Edited April 19, 2023 by allanyed

[Benjamin sullivan]

3 minutes ago, allanyed said:

If that is the case, the plans appear to be scaled at 1" = 100"    A 1" long gun would be just short of a 8' 5" barrel.  I am PM'g you 3D drawings of 9 and 18 pounder guns in that length that you can use to get these 3D printed in black resin.   Let me know if you need contact information on a printer or you can give them to a printer close to your home to discuss.   These will be FULL size drawings so you need to tell your printer you want them scaled down to 1:100.

Allan

thanks, that would be bad if I got them all at full size cannons.

[mtaylor]

10 hours ago, Benjamin sullivan said:

thanks, that would be bad if I got them all at full size cannons.

But it would be fun to mount them around the house with the barrels out the windows.    I'll get my coat....  

[Benjamin sullivan]

2 hours ago, mtaylor said:

But it would be fun to mount them around the house with the barrels out the windows.    I'll get my coat....  

ah yes, my weaponized house will soon be complete.

Edited April 20, 2023 by Benjamin sullivan

[georgeband]

Benjamin's carronades look good and the black paper makes it easy to get the colour right. I used this technique on Sherbourne many years ago to make 3lb cannons but with pink paper. The choice of colour was set by wanting to use the thinnest paper that I had available so that the steps in the rolling process would be small. The photo shows the build sequence with tapered pieces of paper. The spike at the muzzle end is for the greater diameter at the muzzle. 

I also made swivels that are a lot slimmer than the kit parts. 

Tony (tkay11) mentions my book about Sherbourne where I describe this technique. (Thanks Tony). There is a pdf of the relevant chapter on another thread https://modelshipworld.com/topic/4335-super-detailing-the-cutter-sherbourne-by-george-bandurek/?do=findComment&comment=124292 or you can download it here Cannon.pdf. 

 

A big advantage of wrapping paper around a tube is that the cost is very low but it does take time to make a barrel. 

 

George