Hubac's Historian Posted March 15 #331 Posted March 15 Hi Guys - very late to this discussion, but my 1 1/2 CENTS: I was searching for pictures of the replica ship under sail, and could not find any that showed boomkins rigged. Perhaps the crew employs other practical work-arounds, although I have no clue what they might be. We are all works in progress, all of the time.
Bill97 Posted March 15 Author #332 Posted March 15 Good morning Marc. Welcome to this very intriguing conversation. I always say when the world seems to be going to the dogs it is good to have a cave we can get in, roll the stone in front, and just talk ship building!😊 Hubac's Historian 1 Current build: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/38262-amerigo-vespucci-by-bill97-occre-1-100/ Previous builds: modelshipworld.com/topic/36221-endeavour-by-bill97-occre-1/54-finished modelshipworld.com/topic/33097-le-soleil-royal-by-bill97-finished-heller-1100/ modelshipworld.com/topic/28748-hms-victory-by-bill97-finished-heller-1100-plastic/ modelshipworld.com/topic/26921-mayflower-by-bill97-finished-trumpeter-160-scale-plastic/ modelshipworld.com/topic/25853-english-man-o-war-by-bill97-finished-revell-196-plastic/ modelshipworld.com/topic/24612-cutty-sark-by-bill97-finished-revell-196-plastic/ models hip world.com/topic/24428-uss-constitution-by-bill97-finished-revell-plastic/
Kenchington Posted March 15 #333 Posted March 15 18 minutes ago, Hubac's Historian said: Hi Guys - very late to this discussion, but my 1 1/2 CENTS: I was searching for pictures of the replica ship under sail, and could not find any that showed boomkins rigged. Perhaps the crew employs other practical work-arounds, although I have no clue what they might be. Looks like they take the fore tack to a block on the end of the cathead: Hubac's Historian 1 In progress: Norwegian sailing pram, by Model Shipways Completed: 1880 Gloucester halibut dory, based on Model Shipways Lowell banks dory
Bill97 Posted March 15 Author #334 Posted March 15 That does seem to be the most practical solution. I will give a look at removing the boomkins. If I can’t without to much damage I think i will arrange some sort of satisfactory rigging and call it a day on this riddle Current build: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/38262-amerigo-vespucci-by-bill97-occre-1-100/ Previous builds: modelshipworld.com/topic/36221-endeavour-by-bill97-occre-1/54-finished modelshipworld.com/topic/33097-le-soleil-royal-by-bill97-finished-heller-1100/ modelshipworld.com/topic/28748-hms-victory-by-bill97-finished-heller-1100-plastic/ modelshipworld.com/topic/26921-mayflower-by-bill97-finished-trumpeter-160-scale-plastic/ modelshipworld.com/topic/25853-english-man-o-war-by-bill97-finished-revell-196-plastic/ modelshipworld.com/topic/24612-cutty-sark-by-bill97-finished-revell-196-plastic/ models hip world.com/topic/24428-uss-constitution-by-bill97-finished-revell-plastic/
shipaholic Posted March 15 #335 Posted March 15 (edited) Hi Bill I did the same as the replica vessel and have a block attached to the cathead. When I built my first Endeavour by AL in the early 1990's their instructions said to rig it that way also. It's interesting that the fore course on the AL model is narrower at the bottom than the top. Edited March 15 by shipaholic spelling Hubac's Historian 1 Current Build: HMB Endeavour 1:51 (Eaglemoss part work)Previous Builds: USS Constitution (Revell plastic) HMS Victory 1:96 (Corel) HMB Endeavour 1:60 (AL)
alpayed Posted March 16 #336 Posted March 16 (edited) Edited March 16 by alpayed Models finished: Too many to list. Current build. Danmark (kit bash)
shipaholic Posted March 16 #337 Posted March 16 (edited) Good pictures Allan, you must have a better library than me. Quite a few of those drawings seem to show boomkins with single guys well away from where the anchor cable might foul them , which makes sense with respect to my earlier point about fouling of the anchor cables Edited March 16 by shipaholic Current Build: HMB Endeavour 1:51 (Eaglemoss part work)Previous Builds: USS Constitution (Revell plastic) HMS Victory 1:96 (Corel) HMB Endeavour 1:60 (AL)
alpayed Posted March 16 #338 Posted March 16 Hi Steve. Yes I think they show that on small vessels boomkins could have only one or in some cases no guys. There are other pictures that don't have boomkins but they seem to be vessel's with the foremast further aft as Harland mentioned. Anyhow it's always fruitful when there is good discussion on these things. Thanks for everyone's contributions and apologies to Bill for hijacking his post. Back to you Biil. Let's know what you do. Rest assured which ever way you go it would be a brave person to question your decision. Regards Allan Hubac's Historian 1 Models finished: Too many to list. Current build. Danmark (kit bash)
Bill97 Posted March 16 Author #339 Posted March 16 (edited) Oh no Allan you did not hijack my post. I started the discussion and appreciated all the input. What I eventually did was keep the boomkins and simply ran guys back to the ship above the howser hole. Now no guys are below that point. I am not even going to question the outer gammoning! 😀 Edited March 16 by Bill97 Hubac's Historian 1 Current build: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/38262-amerigo-vespucci-by-bill97-occre-1-100/ Previous builds: modelshipworld.com/topic/36221-endeavour-by-bill97-occre-1/54-finished modelshipworld.com/topic/33097-le-soleil-royal-by-bill97-finished-heller-1100/ modelshipworld.com/topic/28748-hms-victory-by-bill97-finished-heller-1100-plastic/ modelshipworld.com/topic/26921-mayflower-by-bill97-finished-trumpeter-160-scale-plastic/ modelshipworld.com/topic/25853-english-man-o-war-by-bill97-finished-revell-196-plastic/ modelshipworld.com/topic/24612-cutty-sark-by-bill97-finished-revell-196-plastic/ models hip world.com/topic/24428-uss-constitution-by-bill97-finished-revell-plastic/
Bill97 Posted March 16 Author #340 Posted March 16 Lifts and braces the order of the day in the ship yard now that I have moved past the boomkins. Hubac's Historian 1 Current build: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/38262-amerigo-vespucci-by-bill97-occre-1-100/ Previous builds: modelshipworld.com/topic/36221-endeavour-by-bill97-occre-1/54-finished modelshipworld.com/topic/33097-le-soleil-royal-by-bill97-finished-heller-1100/ modelshipworld.com/topic/28748-hms-victory-by-bill97-finished-heller-1100-plastic/ modelshipworld.com/topic/26921-mayflower-by-bill97-finished-trumpeter-160-scale-plastic/ modelshipworld.com/topic/25853-english-man-o-war-by-bill97-finished-revell-196-plastic/ modelshipworld.com/topic/24612-cutty-sark-by-bill97-finished-revell-196-plastic/ models hip world.com/topic/24428-uss-constitution-by-bill97-finished-revell-plastic/
alpayed Posted March 16 #341 Posted March 16 The outer gammoning is correct. The ships in the pics above are mostly merchant vessels. Models finished: Too many to list. Current build. Danmark (kit bash)
Bill97 Posted March 26 Author #342 Posted March 26 Gentlemen it has been a little over a week since my last update. I believe I am rounding the turn and heading for home (Kentucky Derby verbiage). Since my last post I have gotten the mizzen mast rigged and working on the mizzen course. The mizzen course will be furled when I am finished with rigging it. I still have a good deal of detail work to do like making a zillion coils to put at each of the belay points, additional ropes at the hatches on the sides, flag pole and flags, etc. Hubac's Historian, alpayed, Ian_Grant and 2 others 5 Current build: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/38262-amerigo-vespucci-by-bill97-occre-1-100/ Previous builds: modelshipworld.com/topic/36221-endeavour-by-bill97-occre-1/54-finished modelshipworld.com/topic/33097-le-soleil-royal-by-bill97-finished-heller-1100/ modelshipworld.com/topic/28748-hms-victory-by-bill97-finished-heller-1100-plastic/ modelshipworld.com/topic/26921-mayflower-by-bill97-finished-trumpeter-160-scale-plastic/ modelshipworld.com/topic/25853-english-man-o-war-by-bill97-finished-revell-196-plastic/ modelshipworld.com/topic/24612-cutty-sark-by-bill97-finished-revell-196-plastic/ models hip world.com/topic/24428-uss-constitution-by-bill97-finished-revell-plastic/
Bill97 Posted yesterday at 09:57 PM Author #343 Posted yesterday at 09:57 PM Gentlemen aside from adding a few more coils at belay points this beauty is finished. It has been a great pleasure building my first wood model. It has also been a great pleasure interacting with you guys on another build. I consider you guys great friends even if only through this fantastic web site. ccoyle, Kenchington, wvdhee and 9 others 7 5 Current build: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/38262-amerigo-vespucci-by-bill97-occre-1-100/ Previous builds: modelshipworld.com/topic/36221-endeavour-by-bill97-occre-1/54-finished modelshipworld.com/topic/33097-le-soleil-royal-by-bill97-finished-heller-1100/ modelshipworld.com/topic/28748-hms-victory-by-bill97-finished-heller-1100-plastic/ modelshipworld.com/topic/26921-mayflower-by-bill97-finished-trumpeter-160-scale-plastic/ modelshipworld.com/topic/25853-english-man-o-war-by-bill97-finished-revell-196-plastic/ modelshipworld.com/topic/24612-cutty-sark-by-bill97-finished-revell-196-plastic/ models hip world.com/topic/24428-uss-constitution-by-bill97-finished-revell-plastic/
Kenchington Posted yesterday at 10:56 PM #344 Posted yesterday at 10:56 PM You've done a wonderful job with her, Bill. Congratulations! Trevor In progress: Norwegian sailing pram, by Model Shipways Completed: 1880 Gloucester halibut dory, based on Model Shipways Lowell banks dory
Bill97 Posted 23 hours ago Author #345 Posted 23 hours ago Thanks Trevor. It was a real pleasure building this ship. Current build: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/38262-amerigo-vespucci-by-bill97-occre-1-100/ Previous builds: modelshipworld.com/topic/36221-endeavour-by-bill97-occre-1/54-finished modelshipworld.com/topic/33097-le-soleil-royal-by-bill97-finished-heller-1100/ modelshipworld.com/topic/28748-hms-victory-by-bill97-finished-heller-1100-plastic/ modelshipworld.com/topic/26921-mayflower-by-bill97-finished-trumpeter-160-scale-plastic/ modelshipworld.com/topic/25853-english-man-o-war-by-bill97-finished-revell-196-plastic/ modelshipworld.com/topic/24612-cutty-sark-by-bill97-finished-revell-196-plastic/ models hip world.com/topic/24428-uss-constitution-by-bill97-finished-revell-plastic/
Veszett Roka Posted 14 hours ago #346 Posted 14 hours ago Beautiful model Bill, very well built! I saw many model in my career (i'm a member of a modeling club) but yours have a certain sign of careful and thorough work. And i agree with you, this is an excellent website. Hubac's Historian 1
Bill97 Posted 12 hours ago Author #347 Posted 12 hours ago Thanks Veszett. I appreciate your comments. I am able to pair my iPhone with my TV. So I take a photo of a particular spot where I am working (ratlines, etc) and then pair the phone to the TV. I am then able to expand the photo to my big screen and really examine what I am doing. Helps my old eyes a lot. A negative if doing that is I see the provided OcCre thread is fuzzy even though I run every thread through beeswax 😊. Hubac's Historian 1 Current build: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/38262-amerigo-vespucci-by-bill97-occre-1-100/ Previous builds: modelshipworld.com/topic/36221-endeavour-by-bill97-occre-1/54-finished modelshipworld.com/topic/33097-le-soleil-royal-by-bill97-finished-heller-1100/ modelshipworld.com/topic/28748-hms-victory-by-bill97-finished-heller-1100-plastic/ modelshipworld.com/topic/26921-mayflower-by-bill97-finished-trumpeter-160-scale-plastic/ modelshipworld.com/topic/25853-english-man-o-war-by-bill97-finished-revell-196-plastic/ modelshipworld.com/topic/24612-cutty-sark-by-bill97-finished-revell-196-plastic/ models hip world.com/topic/24428-uss-constitution-by-bill97-finished-revell-plastic/
ccoyle Posted 11 hours ago #348 Posted 11 hours ago Congratulations, Bill! That's a lovely model. Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Mitsubishi A6M5a, WAK SBLim-2A
wvdhee Posted 11 hours ago #349 Posted 11 hours ago Great job Bill!! 😀 Walter. Current build: HMS Ariadne 1776 Finished build: HMS Flirt
Thukydides Posted 10 hours ago #350 Posted 10 hours ago Congrats and great job. Current Builds: HMS Perseus (Scratch); Napoleonic Ship Miniatures (Semi-Scratch) Completed Builds: Type VII C U Boat (HobbyBoss); HM Cutter Alert (Vanguard Models)
Desertanimal Posted 10 hours ago #351 Posted 10 hours ago Congratulations on her completion! She’s a beauty for sure. Chris
Knocklouder Posted 10 hours ago #352 Posted 10 hours ago Congratulations, very nice indeed !! Bob M. "Start so you can Finish!" In progress: Astrolabe 1812 - Mantua 1:50; In queue: Pegasus - Amati 1:64 Completed: The Dutchess of Kingston - 1:64 Vanguard Models 🙂 Santa Maria - 1:64, La Pinta - 1:64, La Nina - 1:64, Hannah Ship in a Bottle - 1:300, The Mayflower - 1:64, Viking Ship Drakkar -1:50 all by Amati. King of the Mississippi - Artesania Latina - 1:80 Queen Anne's Revenge - Piece Cool - 1:300 The Sea of Galilee Boat - Scott Miller - 1:20
Hubac's Historian Posted 9 hours ago #353 Posted 9 hours ago Another beautiful job, Bill! So, what’s next in your dockyard? We are all works in progress, all of the time.
Bill97 Posted 7 hours ago Author #354 Posted 7 hours ago (edited) Marc my next build is going to be the wooden OcCre Amerigo Vespucci. I am going to attempt to follow the lead of another OcCre Amerigo Vespucci builder DanielD here on MSW. He is wiring his model for full lighting on 4 or 5 separate circuits to display several different lighting arrangements. I hope I can come close to doing as well as he did. I am also going to take a little artistic license with this build. On past builds I have tried to stick as close to authentic as my skills permitted. On this AV build I am going to step outside the authenticity box and be a bit more artistic in my presentation. One thing I am going to do is lay a herringbone pattern deck planking. I have layed herringbone pattern wood floors and really like the appearance. Edited 7 hours ago by Bill97 Current build: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/38262-amerigo-vespucci-by-bill97-occre-1-100/ Previous builds: modelshipworld.com/topic/36221-endeavour-by-bill97-occre-1/54-finished modelshipworld.com/topic/33097-le-soleil-royal-by-bill97-finished-heller-1100/ modelshipworld.com/topic/28748-hms-victory-by-bill97-finished-heller-1100-plastic/ modelshipworld.com/topic/26921-mayflower-by-bill97-finished-trumpeter-160-scale-plastic/ modelshipworld.com/topic/25853-english-man-o-war-by-bill97-finished-revell-196-plastic/ modelshipworld.com/topic/24612-cutty-sark-by-bill97-finished-revell-196-plastic/ models hip world.com/topic/24428-uss-constitution-by-bill97-finished-revell-plastic/
petervisser Posted 7 hours ago #355 Posted 7 hours ago Congratulations on your very fine model. A real achievment. Mr. Occre would be proud! Peter Build Log: Billing - Cutty Sark In The Gallery: HMS Unicorn, HMAV Bounty, L'Etoile, Marie Jeanne, Lilla Dan, Zeeschouw "Irene" A Toast: To a wind that blows, A ship that goes, And the lass that loved a sailor!
Kenchington Posted 6 hours ago #356 Posted 6 hours ago 46 minutes ago, Bill97 said: a bit more artistic Apologies for an irrelevant aside ... but you did mention lighting and artistry: Back some 20 years ago, I was aboard Kruzenshtern when we came to anchor off Rostok (Germany) in a misty twilight, waiting to enter the port for their "Tall Ships" event. Then a three-master emerged silently, half-visible through the darkening murk. Like that, it would not have needed much imagination to see her as a ghost ship. Then her anchor was let go, her sails hauled up with bunt and clewlines ... and someone flicked a switch, instantly illuminating lights on every mast and yard, so transforming the "ghost" into a fairy dream-ship. Magical! I didn't have my camera at hand and it likely wouldn't have captured the effect anyway. But a challenge for any ship-modeller more interested in art and lighting than miniature precision. Trevor In progress: Norwegian sailing pram, by Model Shipways Completed: 1880 Gloucester halibut dory, based on Model Shipways Lowell banks dory
Bill97 Posted 5 hours ago Author #357 Posted 5 hours ago No apologies necessary Trevor. This is a stock photo if the AV alluminated at night. It has spot lights the colors of the Italian flag that shine up onto the mast. I also like the random cabin lights effect. That is my attempt instead if all on or all off. Current build: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/38262-amerigo-vespucci-by-bill97-occre-1-100/ Previous builds: modelshipworld.com/topic/36221-endeavour-by-bill97-occre-1/54-finished modelshipworld.com/topic/33097-le-soleil-royal-by-bill97-finished-heller-1100/ modelshipworld.com/topic/28748-hms-victory-by-bill97-finished-heller-1100-plastic/ modelshipworld.com/topic/26921-mayflower-by-bill97-finished-trumpeter-160-scale-plastic/ modelshipworld.com/topic/25853-english-man-o-war-by-bill97-finished-revell-196-plastic/ modelshipworld.com/topic/24612-cutty-sark-by-bill97-finished-revell-196-plastic/ models hip world.com/topic/24428-uss-constitution-by-bill97-finished-revell-plastic/
tmj Posted 4 hours ago #358 Posted 4 hours ago Very nice indeed! Job well done! "The journey of a thousand miles is only the beginning of a thousand journeys!"
jpalmer1970 Posted 4 hours ago #359 Posted 4 hours ago Congratulations! -‐-‐-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Current Build Hayling Hoy 1760 - First POF scratch build Completed HMB Endeavour's Longboat by Artesania Latina Completed HM Armed Cutter Alert by Vanguard Models Completed 18ft cutter and 34ft launch by Vanguard Models Completed Pen Duick by Artesania Latina
Ian_Grant Posted 4 hours ago #360 Posted 4 hours ago Well done, Bill. She looks wonderful! Looking forward to your AV build; seems quite a bit more complex than Endeavour....
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