HMS Winchelsea 1764 by shauer - 1:48

[Freebird]

Just found your Winnie build log Steve. Very nice start, keep up the good work!

 

Best Regards .... Rick

[shauer]

Thank you, Rick.

 

Completed the starboard side planking above the Wales.  I'm pretty happy with how it turned out.

 

Spent a few hours fairing the planks and applied a light coat of poly to seal the wood for now.

 

Again, not too worried about the lower 5 strakes as these will all have a second layer added

 

 

 

 

 

Steve

 

 

[scrubbyj427]

Looking good!

[glbarlow]

Nice planking, those gun ports are a challenge to frame.

[shauer]

Thank you Glenn, I cannot say that I enjoyed planking around the gun ports, but it is very satisfying to be done with that task.      I cannot imagine doing three decks of gun ports.

 

Completed the port side above the Wales.

 

 

And a couple other views.  Faired the planking down to 320 grit and then a thin coat of poly.  Figure I need another session of sanding with finer grit on both sides before I consider this portion complete.

 

 

 

 

Started with dry fitting the drop planks last night.  Used a small amount of water and my hand iron to get the planks to relax into the bulkheads.  It looks like only some minor adjustment of the laser cut planks will be needed.  Just a little gap between the lower edge of the planks and the first bulkhead.

 

 

Looking to complete the first two strakes below the Wales this week and start on the Wales and black plank maybe this weekend.

 

Steve

[Chuck]

That looks very good...nicely done.  Oh and more chapter 3 sets will be done tomorrow and available.

 

Chuck

[FrankWouts]

Nice progress and very good looking gun ports and planking Steve!

Frank.

[shauer]

Progress was a little slower than I expected this week.  I got the two strakes below the Wales completed after wrestling with a drop plank and getting the planks to meet at the lower counter neatly.  I didn't achieve the perfect seam I have seen on some projects but I think it will work out alright once the 1/8 inch molding is applied.

 

I also received my order of the next few chapters plus the resin castings.  Thanks Chuck!

 

After my first couple attempts at getting the taper correct, I resorted to popping loose the end of the drop plank so that I had some minimal adjustment to get a tight joint both above and below the tapered plank.  

 

 

I struggled with the first strake below the Wales where it joins the lower counter.  I could not get a nice neat mitered joint that also lined up neatly with the corner between the lower counter and the lowest plank of the Wales.  So I resorted to just letting the hull planks lap the lower counter.  I figure I can hide this under the 1/8 inch wide molding that is placed along this seam.  Anyone have other thoughts on this? 

 

 

This is only rough sanded, it will clean up a little more with a final finish sand.

 

 

And of course I just had to get the figurehead placed on the bow to see what it looks like. 

 

 

I'm working today on edge-painting the planks that will be used for the top and bottom strakes of the Wales and will start installing them this week.

 

Steve

[FrankWouts]

Yeah, nice milestone to put the figurehead on for a picture Steve! Well done and nice hard work!

Frank.

[shauer]

After sleeping on it and briefly looking at my model this morning, the way the bottom planks meet the lower counter on my model is bugging me more.  I will likely rip up those 4 planks and try it again along with doing a better job of fairing the run of the planks into the tuck.

 

Frank - I was looking at your build log which I have been referring to several times.  There is a picture of this area at the beginning of page 8 of your build log that shows me what I may need to do.  I was attempting to get the bottom surface of the plank even with the very bottom aft corner of the Wales.  Doing this makes it impossible for the plank to also be in position to be flush with the bottom of the lower counter.  From the picture of your project below, I highlighted what looks like the bottom plank being slightly recessed into the lower counter relative to the Wales.  Looks like the bottom aft corner of the Wales is proud of the first plank (green line).  Doing this would resolve my problem.  Can you confirm this is what you did?

 

Marked image from Frank's build:

 

Steve

[FrankWouts]

On 6/9/2025 at 2:42 PM, shauer said:

After sleeping on it and briefly looking at my model this morning, the way the bottom planks meet the lower counter on my model is bugging me more.  I will likely rip up those 4 planks and try it again along with doing a better job of fairing the run of the planks into the tuck.

 

Frank - I was looking at your build log which I have been referring to several times.  There is a picture of this area at the beginning of page 8 of your build log that shows me what I may need to do.  I was attempting to get the bottom surface of the plank even with the very bottom aft corner of the Wales.  Doing this makes it impossible for the plank to also be in position to be flush with the bottom of the lower counter.  From the picture of your project below, I highlighted what looks like the bottom plank being slightly recessed into the lower counter relative to the Wales.  Looks like the bottom aft corner of the Wales is proud of the first plank (green line).  Doing this would resolve my problem.  Can you confirm this is what you did?

 

Marked image from Frank's build:

 

Steve

Hi Steve,
Yes, that's what I did, and paint the sides black like the rest of the sides of the wale planks.
What's the alternative? Sand it flush along the green line you've drawn?

I think that would look awful sideways, there would be a step / bend in the bottom wale planking line!
I guess that's not what they used to do in reality at the ship wharf in good old Engeland too.

Everyone seems to have the tendancy to sand everything flush, but please suppress that tendancy here.

Just make all planking edges of the counter, wales and bottom planking come together at that one edged point where the step / bend is in your green line: don't sand this point round or flush!

That's exactly the reason everyone shouldn't sand that pointy edge at the first counter planking flush or rounded, but leave it 'pointy'!
It looks in the photo as if the lowest counter plank's edge has been sanded straight, but it was in fact sanded round together with the other counter planks at the sides until the 'pointy' edge at the bend in your green line.
But when gluing and clamping the wale planks like you see happening at the left side on the picture, it made it flat again.
Just let all edge planks of counter, wale and bottom plannking come together in that one edge point, with the angles as on the drawings and the counter picture everyone uses to make it fit more or less nicely...

The highest bottom plank and the lowest wale plank are tightly against each other from bow to stern / counter, but have an ever increasing angle with each other towards the counter/stern.

Hope this helps!?
Frank.

Edited Wednesday at 07:53 AM by FrankWouts

[FrankWouts]

This is how I would continue with your counter / bottom planking and second lower wale plank: paint the edge black and glue and clamp it on.
Only sand the aft edge of the lower wale plank flush with the counter planks.

Maybe first sand the two lower planks that already touch the counter planks a little flatter in a parallel line with the hollow bended edge of the lower counter plank.

The side of the lower longitudal plank that touches the lower wale plank could have been beveled more and more in a bigger angle when moving aft, so that the edge between these two planks would heve become sharper

moving backwards to the counter....

But just glueing the second lower wale plank on top will be fine I think after just a little sanding the planks to simulate this 'sharper edge when moving more and more aft '... I hope I'm not writing jibberish to you here...
Ofcourse there's a little twist in the lower wale plank you have to bring in with a drop of water and your little travel iron.

Frank.

Edited Wednesday at 10:29 AM by FrankWouts

[glbarlow]

This is a challenging area to get a good clean, tight flow of planks. It’s also a time to look ahead in the instructions, something I always do,to see the final look. The lower counter will be covered with a frieze and moulding over that along the line of planks. The curve, tight and solid fit is the important part.

[shauer]

Frank, thank you for taking the time to put together such a well thought-out reply.  I will definitely follow your advice on maintaining the correct angles on the second wale plank. 

 

I was typing up my response when I saw Glenn's reply which answered my last question that this area will not be directly visible on the final model.  Thanks Glenn!

 

Based on this feedback is sounds like I can continue as I am with the exposed end grain of the bottom planks and it will not be visible?  Is this correct? 

 

Of course the other option is to remove the aft portions of the 2 strakes of bottom planking on each side and possibly the lower planks for the counter and replace all of those while correcting the joint to hide the bottom plank's end grain.  I feel this would be necessary only if the results of this correction would be visible.

 

Thanks again for the support, I really appreciate it.

 

Any other opinions on how I should proceed?  (keep going as-is, or redo it?)

 

Steve
 

[glbarlow]

I think your’re on the right track, no need to change