Jeff-E Posted July 28, 2015 Author Share #241 Posted July 28, 2015 Hi All, After the roundhouses where fitted the beak head deck was left while I went back to complete the lower gun deck. the only thing left to be fitted to this deck was the cannons and I had left these off as I was afraid of breaking them off as they will stick out of the gunports. I decided to make up all the cannon carriages and mount the barrels to them in one go. The carriages were assembled for three laser cut parts each and then painted. One thing to note is the lower deck of the carriage is a wedge shape and the wide part goes to the rear. The wheels are supplied as one piece and these where stuck down to a piece of paper and spray painted. The wheels were glued to the carriages taking care to fix the wider wheels to the rear, as the difference is slight I did manage to glue the wider wheels to the front a couple of times but caught the mistake in time to rectify it After they were dry holes were drilled and eyebolts fitted for the gun tackle Captain Slog, gjdale and NMBROOK 3 Quote Cheers Jeff Current Builds; HMS Supply Completed Builds; AL Swift 1805; Colonial Sloop Norfolk; HMS Victory Bow Section; HM Schooner Pickle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff-E Posted July 31, 2015 Author Share #242 Posted July 31, 2015 Hi All, Next came the barrels, as they are not supplied with rings for the breech ropes I had to make them, I used the opened eyes of a 2mm copper eyebolt. A 0.5mm hole was drilled into the back of the barrel in front of the pommelion and the end of the eyebolt was epoxied into it. The barrels were then painted and fitted to the carriages. The last photo shows the breech rope fitted to the gun Captain Slog 1 Quote Cheers Jeff Current Builds; HMS Supply Completed Builds; AL Swift 1805; Colonial Sloop Norfolk; HMS Victory Bow Section; HM Schooner Pickle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff-E Posted July 31, 2015 Author Share #243 Posted July 31, 2015 The next step was to make up the tackle for the guns. The blocks used for the guns are 3mm 2hole blocks and 3mm single hole blocks for the guns on the Lower and Middle Gun Decks and 2mm single hole blocks for the upper gun deck. For the train tackle on the Upper gun deck I did use 3mm 2 hole blocks filed down to 2mm none these blocks are not supplied in the kit. I made up a hook for each block out of 0.25mm wire using a very convenient jig which I found in 'wooden tips and tricks ad making jigs' forum on this site by G.T.M. and I thank him very much for posting his idea, he made his out of a piece of brass rod , I made mine out of a piece of 8mm dowel as I did not have any brass rod but it still worked really well and produced a consistent size hook. The first three photos sow the jig and the resulting hook. The next two photos show the hooks tied to the blocks and the last photo shows a jig I made up to reeve the blocks so I would just have to hook them to the cannons on the model and adjust the tension Captain Slog 1 Quote Cheers Jeff Current Builds; HMS Supply Completed Builds; AL Swift 1805; Colonial Sloop Norfolk; HMS Victory Bow Section; HM Schooner Pickle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff-E Posted August 2, 2015 Author Share #244 Posted August 2, 2015 Hi All, Because the lower gun deck has been enclosed it will be impossible to fully rig all the cannons on this deck. The first two guns from the bow will only have the breech rope fitted, this will be a shortened rope with no eyebolts as these can't be seen when the other guns are installed and they would be very hard to fit to the hull if not impossible. The other two guns will have fully rigged breech ropes and side and train tackle, however the side tackle will only be on the aft side of the gun I'm sorry I don't have any photos of the rear guns at this stage of the build but you will be able to see them in future posts NMBROOK, WackoWolf, Captain Slog and 1 other 4 Quote Cheers Jeff Current Builds; HMS Supply Completed Builds; AL Swift 1805; Colonial Sloop Norfolk; HMS Victory Bow Section; HM Schooner Pickle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff-E Posted August 2, 2015 Author Share #245 Posted August 2, 2015 The next stage of the build was the middle gun deck. This deck was where the bowsprit heel was located and the galley. The model has a hole in this deck through which the bowsprit is meant to pass and then terminate on the lower gun deck which it is not supposed to. To over come this I made a heel and support so that the bowsprit terminates on this deck, the heel was made from 8mm X 19mm Tassie Oak and the support was made from 3mmX 2mm Walnut. The support fame was notched to fit under the beak head bulk head and the first crossbeam . The first photo is an earlier construction photo showing the hole in the middle gun deck for the bowsprit to pass through to the lower gun deck. The next three show the construction of the heel and frame and the last three show it fitted to the model and painted gjdale, NMBROOK, Captain Slog and 2 others 5 Quote Cheers Jeff Current Builds; HMS Supply Completed Builds; AL Swift 1805; Colonial Sloop Norfolk; HMS Victory Bow Section; HM Schooner Pickle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff-E Posted August 3, 2015 Author Share #246 Posted August 3, 2015 Hi All, Thankyou for all the like hits. Just a quick update on the middle gun deck. This deck was where the galley was located, the kit supplied certain parts to build a stove which are shown in the plans in the first two photos. I decided to improve on this basic model and add a few extras. The first being a hearth, this was made from 0.5mm card painted brick red and then lines were cut into it using a hobby knife revealing the white lines shown in the photos to resemble the grouting between the bricks NMBROOK, gjdale, WackoWolf and 1 other 4 Quote Cheers Jeff Current Builds; HMS Supply Completed Builds; AL Swift 1805; Colonial Sloop Norfolk; HMS Victory Bow Section; HM Schooner Pickle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff-E Posted August 3, 2015 Author Share #247 Posted August 3, 2015 The hearth was cut out of the card and a timber edge was added to it and it was fitted to the deck as shown in the first two photos. I realised after it was fitted that the shape of the hearth was not rectangular as I have depicted it but more of a triangular shape with the top cut off. However I did not find this out until the stove had been fitted and it was too late to change it. Also notice that the eyebolts for the gun train tackle have been fitted. The stove was modelled on the Bounty's stove in McKay's Anatomy of the Ship which is probably not what the Victory's stove looked like but it is, I think, an improvement on the kit supplied part. The first two photos show the hearth fitted and the next two show the start of the building of the stove. The main body was carved from the supplied lime wood block NMBROOK, Captain Slog, GuntherMT and 1 other 4 Quote Cheers Jeff Current Builds; HMS Supply Completed Builds; AL Swift 1805; Colonial Sloop Norfolk; HMS Victory Bow Section; HM Schooner Pickle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMBROOK Posted August 3, 2015 Share #248 Posted August 3, 2015 Great work Jeff This particular model has always grabbed my interest,possibly because it offers a nice 'twist' to the more usual cross section.I have spent many years avoiding anything Victory related simply because it is so popular,however my viewpoint is changing and already have the reference material so we shall see Kind Regards Nigel Jeff-E 1 Quote Currently working on Royal Caroline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stockholm tar Posted August 3, 2015 Share #249 Posted August 3, 2015 Hi Jeff, You're doing very well on your bow section, and you have thought of some of the ideas that I have in mind – re, the fire hearth. Incidentally there are plenty of photos of Victory's Brodie stove on line – nothing of course like the poor effort they provide in the kit! One interesting feature is the copper condenser on its top, used I believe to suppy water to the officers and those in the sick bay. I'm going to try and replicate it. Not sure about the guns though. You've done a good job on what is provided, but I might change mine. Waiting for the next update. Jeff-E 1 Quote Kester Current builds: Sherbourne (Caldercraft) scale – 1/64th; Statsraad Lehmkuhl (half model) 1/8th" – 1'. Victory Bow Section (Panart/Mantua) scale – 1/78th (on hold). Previous build: Bluenose ll (Billings) scale – 1/100th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff-E Posted August 4, 2015 Author Share #250 Posted August 4, 2015 Hi Nigel, Thank you for your kind words. Yes it does differ from the 'normal' cross section which is through the main mast. The basic kit is fairly good but I think it does need some modification to enhance it. Maybe we will see you building one soon NMBROOK 1 Quote Cheers Jeff Current Builds; HMS Supply Completed Builds; AL Swift 1805; Colonial Sloop Norfolk; HMS Victory Bow Section; HM Schooner Pickle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff-E Posted August 4, 2015 Author Share #251 Posted August 4, 2015 Hi Kester, Thank you for your encouragement. I have seen a few of the photos online of the stove only I can't find an overall picture of it, however the pictures I have found are very similar to the drawings in McKay's book . The condenser will be fitted and the rotisserie rack at the rear will also be replicated. I am fairly satisfied with the guns but the breech rope rings are a bit to large, they probably could have been trimmed down a bit more Stockholm tar 1 Quote Cheers Jeff Current Builds; HMS Supply Completed Builds; AL Swift 1805; Colonial Sloop Norfolk; HMS Victory Bow Section; HM Schooner Pickle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff-E Posted August 4, 2015 Author Share #252 Posted August 4, 2015 Hi All, The following photos show some more progress on the stove. The first one shows the open grate at the rear of the stove and the second one is of the lids on the boilers. NMBROOK, WackoWolf and Captain Slog 3 Quote Cheers Jeff Current Builds; HMS Supply Completed Builds; AL Swift 1805; Colonial Sloop Norfolk; HMS Victory Bow Section; HM Schooner Pickle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff-E Posted August 4, 2015 Author Share #253 Posted August 4, 2015 Sorry for all these small posts but it is the only way I can get the photos in the order I want them The next two photos show the handles on the boiler lids, the condenser and the drive wheel for the rotisserie. GuntherMT, Captain Slog, NMBROOK and 3 others 6 Quote Cheers Jeff Current Builds; HMS Supply Completed Builds; AL Swift 1805; Colonial Sloop Norfolk; HMS Victory Bow Section; HM Schooner Pickle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff-E Posted August 4, 2015 Author Share #254 Posted August 4, 2015 I thought I had more pictures of the construction but I can't find them so these next lot of photos are of the completed stove painted, minus the condenser and drain taps for the boilers. These were painted separately and added later A couple of notes on the finished stove. The rotisserie rack was carved from 0.5mm ply and the shaft was made from 0.75mm brass wire. The drive "chain" was made from cotton and the rails around the top of the stove were made from 0.25mm wire. The paint used was gunmetal grey Stockholm tar, mtaylor, Captain Slog and 4 others 7 Quote Cheers Jeff Current Builds; HMS Supply Completed Builds; AL Swift 1805; Colonial Sloop Norfolk; HMS Victory Bow Section; HM Schooner Pickle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stockholm tar Posted August 4, 2015 Share #255 Posted August 4, 2015 (edited) Jeff, That's absolutely brilliant work on the stove. It almost looks as though it's ready to fire up! Edited August 4, 2015 by Stockholm tar Jeff-E 1 Quote Kester Current builds: Sherbourne (Caldercraft) scale – 1/64th; Statsraad Lehmkuhl (half model) 1/8th" – 1'. Victory Bow Section (Panart/Mantua) scale – 1/78th (on hold). Previous build: Bluenose ll (Billings) scale – 1/100th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted August 4, 2015 Share #256 Posted August 4, 2015 Jeff, Nice work on the bits and pieces and everything else... On the order of the pictures. after hitting "attach", put the cursor on the screen where you want the picture. Hit the little "add to post" under the thumbnail. The order you hit "add to post" is the order they will appear. Jeff-E 1 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff-E Posted August 5, 2015 Author Share #257 Posted August 5, 2015 Hi Kester, Thank you, I must admit I was very pleased with how it turned out even though parts of it were a bit fiddly to build Quote Cheers Jeff Current Builds; HMS Supply Completed Builds; AL Swift 1805; Colonial Sloop Norfolk; HMS Victory Bow Section; HM Schooner Pickle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff-E Posted August 5, 2015 Author Share #258 Posted August 5, 2015 Hi Mark, Thankyou for looking in and your advice on the pictures I will try it now Quote Cheers Jeff Current Builds; HMS Supply Completed Builds; AL Swift 1805; Colonial Sloop Norfolk; HMS Victory Bow Section; HM Schooner Pickle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff-E Posted August 5, 2015 Author Share #259 Posted August 5, 2015 Hi All, I thought I had taken more pictures of the fitting out of the middle gun deck but all I can fid is pictures of the completed deck So the guns were fitted, rigged and the rope coils added. The stove was then fitted and barrels were placed around the deck, the two large barrels lashed together near the stove are for water and the lashing will represent them being lashed to the foremast once it is fitted, as I wont be able to access this area once the next deck is fitted. In the third photo you can see the guns rigged on the lower gun deck The next step is to fit the upper gun deck. I will post some more pictures soon Captain Slog, NMBROOK, Stockholm tar and 3 others 6 Quote Cheers Jeff Current Builds; HMS Supply Completed Builds; AL Swift 1805; Colonial Sloop Norfolk; HMS Victory Bow Section; HM Schooner Pickle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff-E Posted August 9, 2015 Author Share #260 Posted August 9, 2015 Hi All, So we move on to the Upper gun deck. The false decks were test fitted and adjusted to ensure a tight fit against the walls, the underside was then painted whit as this will form the ceiling of the deck below. Once dry the two deck halves were glued in place. WackoWolf, NMBROOK and Captain Slog 3 Quote Cheers Jeff Current Builds; HMS Supply Completed Builds; AL Swift 1805; Colonial Sloop Norfolk; HMS Victory Bow Section; HM Schooner Pickle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff-E Posted August 9, 2015 Author Share #261 Posted August 9, 2015 After the decks had dried the next step was to plank the inside of the beak head bulkhead and then to paint the walls. This was done before planking the decks so I wouldn't have to mask around the edge of the decks. You will notice that this deck has it's walls painted with yellow ochre. The deck planking will be the next job Captain Slog, NMBROOK, Stockholm tar and 2 others 5 Quote Cheers Jeff Current Builds; HMS Supply Completed Builds; AL Swift 1805; Colonial Sloop Norfolk; HMS Victory Bow Section; HM Schooner Pickle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff-E Posted August 11, 2015 Author Share #262 Posted August 11, 2015 Hi All, While working on the upper gun deck I also started work on the bowsprit because I wanted to fit it to the model at this stage so it would be easier to do the gammoning now, before the head rails and gratings were fitted to the bow. I followed Longridge's description of making the bowsprit as I wanted to add more detail to it than the kit supplied version As this model is only a section the bowsprit will consist of the main spar and about a 100mm long section of the jib boom. The bowsprit was made in two parts, the main spar and a square tenon that is fitted to the end to locate the cap. The main spar is made form a piece of 10mm pine dowel, tapered to 9mm for about 200mm from the end. The end was cut at an angle so that when the cap is fitted it sits vertical line with the stem. The tenon was made from 6mm square walnut and an angle was cut on one end of it to match the end of the bowsprit I had To make a new cap because the supplied one had two holes in it, drilled square. When I tried to file the bottom hole square and at the required angle it became to large for the tenon. I drilled a pilot holes in the new one at the require angle using my dremel drill stand And then drilled the lower hole out to 5mm and squared it to fit the tenon the top hole was drilled to 6mm to take the jib boom. The top and bottom edges of the cap were also bevelled at the same angle as the holes in it Please note the tenon is only dry fitted and will be glued in place when the cap is fitted Stockholm tar, Captain Slog and NMBROOK 3 Quote Cheers Jeff Current Builds; HMS Supply Completed Builds; AL Swift 1805; Colonial Sloop Norfolk; HMS Victory Bow Section; HM Schooner Pickle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff-E Posted August 12, 2015 Author Share #263 Posted August 12, 2015 Hi All, I made the gammoning fish next, there are three of them needed. To make these I drilled a 10mm hole in the centre of apiece of 12mm dowel and then cut off two rings at the same angle as the stive angle on the end of the bowsprit, each ring is 8mm wide. I then carefully cut each ring in half and spaced them on the bowsprit so that 9 turns of 0.75mm cord would fit between them Please note they are not glued in place yet. As you can see in the last two photos I have also made the Dolphin Striker and the Flagpole which will be attached to the cap later Captain Slog, mtaylor, GuntherMT and 1 other 4 Quote Cheers Jeff Current Builds; HMS Supply Completed Builds; AL Swift 1805; Colonial Sloop Norfolk; HMS Victory Bow Section; HM Schooner Pickle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmart Posted August 12, 2015 Share #264 Posted August 12, 2015 Jeff, Your Victory Bow is inspiring. I'm in the midst of building the same model. I'm just finishing up the first layer of planking. Looking through you build log, I've already picked up ideas from you're build, that I'll apply to mine. Thanks Best Ken Jeff-E 1 Quote Current Build: USS Constitution ( Model Expo) Past Builds: HMS Victory Bow Section British Armed Launch Friesland (Dutch 74 - 1663) Roger B. Taney (US Revenue Cutter ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff-E Posted August 13, 2015 Author Share #265 Posted August 13, 2015 Hi Ken, Welcome to model ship world and this log. Thank you for your kind comments and I hope this log provides you with some ways to improve on the basic model. Are you going to start a build log? Quote Cheers Jeff Current Builds; HMS Supply Completed Builds; AL Swift 1805; Colonial Sloop Norfolk; HMS Victory Bow Section; HM Schooner Pickle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff-E Posted August 13, 2015 Author Share #266 Posted August 13, 2015 Hi All, The next stage in making the bowsprit was to make the sheave blocks for the fore topmast stay and the preventer stay. Although these lines wont be fitted to the model as the topmast will only be about 100mm long, I still wanted to have their sheaves fitted The blocks were made from 6mm x 1mm plank and the sheaves were spares I had left over from another kit They can be seen in the first two photos. To take the sheave blocks the bowsprit had to be squared at the end but only on three sides, the top and each side, the bottom is left convex. this was done for a distance of 28mm from the end as this represents, approximately, the 6' 9"length of the bees. The second lot of photos show the blocks fitted, you will note they are staggered. The front one is for the topmast stay and the back one for the preventer stay. You may also notice the stop cleats have been fitted these are for the bobstay and bowsprit shroud collars to sit against. They were made from 1mm x1mm walnut and shaped once they were glued to the bowsprit, they were also pinned with 0.5mm dowels. . NMBROOK, mtaylor, GuntherMT and 1 other 4 Quote Cheers Jeff Current Builds; HMS Supply Completed Builds; AL Swift 1805; Colonial Sloop Norfolk; HMS Victory Bow Section; HM Schooner Pickle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff-E Posted August 13, 2015 Author Share #267 Posted August 13, 2015 The following two photos show the bees and cap fitted as well as the saddle for the spritsail yard sling GuntherMT, mtaylor, Stockholm tar and 2 others 5 Quote Cheers Jeff Current Builds; HMS Supply Completed Builds; AL Swift 1805; Colonial Sloop Norfolk; HMS Victory Bow Section; HM Schooner Pickle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff-E Posted August 15, 2015 Author Share #268 Posted August 15, 2015 Hi All, Another update on the bowsprit. The banding of the bowsprit was done next, however in hindsight this should have been done before either the gammoning saddles were installed or construction on the front was started because it would have allowed me to size the rings and then remove and solder them and then glue them in place. The bands are not called for in the instructions and are another extra detail added. I used 2mm copper strip to make the bands ,this was supplied in the kit for the fore mast. The bands were formed around the bowsprit and glued in place using a 2 pack epoxy glue. mtaylor, Captain Slog, GuntherMT and 1 other 4 Quote Cheers Jeff Current Builds; HMS Supply Completed Builds; AL Swift 1805; Colonial Sloop Norfolk; HMS Victory Bow Section; HM Schooner Pickle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff-E Posted August 15, 2015 Author Share #269 Posted August 15, 2015 After the bands were fitted the jib boom was glued on. This brings me to a question. Was the heel of the jib boom lashed to the bowsprit? I cannot find any reference to it in any of the books I have, McKay's Anatomy, Longridge's Anatomy and Steel's Elements of Rigging. I also can't find any pictures of it on the actual ship. The instructions call for it to be put on but I don't trust them. I have left it off for now until I can do some more digging . Any help greatly appreciated. Captain Slog, NMBROOK and mtaylor 3 Quote Cheers Jeff Current Builds; HMS Supply Completed Builds; AL Swift 1805; Colonial Sloop Norfolk; HMS Victory Bow Section; HM Schooner Pickle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMBROOK Posted August 15, 2015 Share #270 Posted August 15, 2015 Excellent work Jeff I would imagine many of the details you are adding are not illustrated on the Panart plans.Unfortunately my reference material is the same as yours,however the plethora of images of her on google may answer your question Kind Regards Nigel mtaylor and Jeff-E 2 Quote Currently working on Royal Caroline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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