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For some reason, I get some old Talking Heads tune, "Burning Down the House", running around inside my head when I look at these explosions and fires in our models. 😁

Ken

Started: MS Bounty Longboat,

On Hold:  Heinkel USS Choctaw paper

Down the road: Shipyard HMC Alert 1/96 paper, Mamoli Constitution Cross, MS USN Picket Boat #1

Scratchbuild: Echo Cross Section

 

Member Nautical Research Guild

Posted (edited)
On 9/23/2025 at 10:23 AM, Ian_Grant said:

Probably moot now, but when I read about your new idea of lit flames I thought of this build I had admired before:

That is a really cool build, Ian.  And my fireball is similar to the explosions on that sub with LED lighting and cotton balls for the explosion.  Plus, that builder did a nice job with his colors using a paint brush.  And glad to have you aboard here!

 

 

On 9/23/2025 at 11:13 AM, Canute said:

For some reason, I get some old Talking Heads tune, "Burning Down the House", running around inside my head when I look at these explosions and fires in our models. 😁

At least you had the courtesy of not saying it reminded you of Disco Inferno!  Any references to disco should be grounds for suspension from MSW.

 

 

The next step for the ship is making the channels, which is always a painstaking chore.  I'm not sure I've ever gone into much detail on how I make the channels so I'll give a little more info here.  I start with bamboo stir sticks that I borrowed from a Panera Bread restaurant.  I like to use bamboo on things I'm drilling tiny holes into because it does not splinter easily nor does it have any fuzz.  You can make very tiny and very clean holes.  

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The shape of the stir sticks is almost a very flat ellipse.  So before drilling, I sand the tops and bottoms flat and square off the sides.  Next, I mark the channel holes 1/16" apart - 6 holes for the fore and main (4 shrouds and 2 backstays) and 4 holes for the mizzen (3 shrouds and 1 backstay).  Then I drill pilot holes with a .015" drill bit followed by the final hole at .018" diameter.  Uniform spacing and straight alignment of the holes is the biggest challenge for me.

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To finish off the channels, I cut them apart then file down the sides as close as I can to the holes.  The narrower the channels, the easier it should be to push the ship in the bottle.   Without fail, however, my channels always seem to scrape the inside of the bottle's neck when I am inserting the ship.  Ugh.  After I took the pic below, I realized that I could get the margins closer to the holes on some of those channels, so I did.

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Once I was happy with the channel construction, I glued them in place and decided it was time to give the Queen's outer hull her first coat of paint.  I took a screenshot from a movie clip to give me a color to try and match.  The sides are kind of a dirty, faded red (with ugly sails to match).

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So here's my attempt at a color match.   I think I got fairly close, but I still may do a bit of smudging to dirty it up just a bit more. 

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Edited by Glen McGuire
Posted

She's looking great, Glen. 

Current Builds: Mosquito Fleet Mystery Sternwheeler

                            Sternwheeler from the Susquehanna River's Hard Coal Navy

                            Wood Hull Screw Frigate USS Tennessee

                            Decorative Carrack Warship Restoration, the Amelia

 

Completed: 1870's Sternwheeler, Lula

                      1880s Floating Steam Donkey Pile Driver                       

                       Early Swift 1805 Model Restoration

 

 

Posted
8 hours ago, Javelin said:

Now THAT is what I was talking about! Those pics (and explanation of bamboo) of the channel making process are gold! 

I assume you are using CA glue for this and not PVA? 

Thanks, Roel.  Your earlier comment is the reason I went into detail on the process.  Glad you found it worthwhile.  And yes, I use CA glue for just about everything because I'm too impatient to wait for PVA glue to dry!  The main exceptions are gluing the hull layers together (where I used wood glue with clamps) and when I need extended drying time like when I'm gluing things inside the bottle and need extra time to position things.  For inside the bottle gluing I use 30 minute epoxy, which I've found really gives you about 15 minutes before it becomes unworkable.

 

Also, you may be interested in what I use to drill the smallest holes.  For a long time I tried regular regular hobby drill bits, fitting them into the smallest collets on my Dremel.  But on the smallest bits, the collet could not keep the bit perfectly aligned and I would always have a bit of a wobble while spinning.  And even the tiniest amount of wobble makes it very hard to drill precision holes that small.  Then I discovered these circuit board routing bits on Amazon.

 

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BWCPXYNP?ref_=ppx_hzsearch_conn_dt_b_fed_asin_title_2&th=1

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They fit into a standard Dremel collet, have zero wobble, and are very cheap.  I got the 6 pack in the link above because I break the tiniest ones fairly often. 

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Posted

Been lurking for a while, following along silently; but I have to say that your SIB is coming along nicely.  I am quite amazed as to how anyone can make a model that detailed in such a small scale and then make it fit into a bottle.  Well done, Sir!

Kenny

Current Builds: MS US Frigate Confederacy

On Hold: Continental Frigate Raleigh 1777

Completed Builds: MS 18th Century Longboat   Dinghy - Midwest Kit    H.M.S Triton Cross Section 1/48   Chesapeake Bay Flattie - Midwest Kit

Future Builds: MS English Pinnace;  OcCre Endurance;  Revenue Cutter Cheerful

 

 

 

Posted
2 hours ago, KennyH78 said:

Been lurking for a while, following along silently; but I have to say that your SIB is coming along nicely. 

Hey Kenny!  Thanks for the kind words and I very much appreciate you following along.  I've still got a long ways to go here but so far so good!    

Posted

Excellent progress, Glen!  Thanks for the link to those micro drill bits.  Many of the bits I currently have are useless junk and I'm eager to try something else. 

 

Gary

Current Build   Pelican Eastern-Rig Dragger  

 

Completed Scratch Builds

Rangeley Guide Boat   New England Stonington Dragger   1940 Auto Repair Shop   Mack FK Shadowbox    

 

Posted

 Glen, I've used those drill bits in the past but have since moved away from them because they won't fit in a pin vice. I wish they did because they seem to be good quality bits. 

Current Builds: Mosquito Fleet Mystery Sternwheeler

                            Sternwheeler from the Susquehanna River's Hard Coal Navy

                            Wood Hull Screw Frigate USS Tennessee

                            Decorative Carrack Warship Restoration, the Amelia

 

Completed: 1870's Sternwheeler, Lula

                      1880s Floating Steam Donkey Pile Driver                       

                       Early Swift 1805 Model Restoration

 

 

Posted

And I think they are carbide, so they're brittle. Using them in a drill press should keep them workable for your holes. Hand drilling with a pin vise will learn you some new cuss words. Been in that game, glad to be out .

Ken

Started: MS Bounty Longboat,

On Hold:  Heinkel USS Choctaw paper

Down the road: Shipyard HMC Alert 1/96 paper, Mamoli Constitution Cross, MS USN Picket Boat #1

Scratchbuild: Echo Cross Section

 

Member Nautical Research Guild

Posted (edited)
4 hours ago, Canute said:

And I think they are carbide, so they're brittle. Using them in a drill press should keep them workable for your holes.

You are right on both counts, Ken.  They work great in my Dremel drill press and are also very brittle.  If I drop one from more than an inch above my workbench it breaks.  Or if I do anything more than push it exactly straight in and straight out, it breaks.  But with careful use they work great.   

Edited by Glen McGuire
Posted (edited)

I'm using something similar too, however I don't use a pin vise. I use the directly with my fingers. Works great, most breakages is when I push them too hard into the plastic I'm drilling. 

I'm scared to put them into any machinery. Plastic rapidly melts and makes a mess of any drill bit when high drilling speeds are used. 

 

Don't know why you'd try dropping them from an inch high though? You have to rotate these things to make it work...

 

Edited by Javelin

Roel

Posted

Glen, your build has gone on for a little while with no suggests (where are you Keith B?). Noting the theme of this build can I dare to hope to see a couple of 'pirate' penguins, perhaps one with an eye patch and the other with a peg "flipper" ;)   Long shot over the bow! :) 

 

cheers

 

Pat

If at first you do not suceed, try, and then try again!
Current build: HMCSS Victoria (Scratch)

Next build: HMAS Vampire (3D printed resin, scratch 1:350)

Built:          Battle Station (Scratch) and HM Bark Endeavour 1768 (kit 1:64)

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