ringbolt2013 Posted March 17, 2014 Share #421 Posted March 17, 2014 Make sure the proportions on your anchors are good!! I like the form on the black ones! I'm also the kind of guy that carved his own cleats when needed.......found a good ref on that in a back issue of Wooden Boat Mag. Did it for my sail boat!! Worked good!! Surprise, surprise White oak on the real ones old drawer bottom bass wood for the models. Tom olliechristo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliechristo Posted March 18, 2014 Author Share #422 Posted March 18, 2014 Thanks Tom, I think the proportions are ok.. Managed to load a few pictures of progress. Got the anchors all cleaned up and looking ok... Not really on a roll but ticking along... Aussie048, scratch, Mirabell61 and 2 others 5 Quote Current and 1st build - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/3958-hm-colonial-cutter-mermaid-by-ollie-modellers-shipyard/page-47 Second Build -http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6815-hmb-endeavour-by-oliver-al-kit-160-kit-bashrehash-second-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliechristo Posted March 18, 2014 Author Share #423 Posted March 18, 2014 Also the two gunports I did.. Can't believe how much hesitation I have had whilst scratch building them.. Still glad I threw the supplied cast ones away.. ringbolt2013, Aussie048, Mirabell61 and 2 others 5 Quote Current and 1st build - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/3958-hm-colonial-cutter-mermaid-by-ollie-modellers-shipyard/page-47 Second Build -http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6815-hmb-endeavour-by-oliver-al-kit-160-kit-bashrehash-second-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliechristo Posted March 18, 2014 Author Share #424 Posted March 18, 2014 Wondering what you lot think about masts. The supplied dowels are very pale. I.picked up some Tasmanian oak. It's a bit grainy but I don't want to stain so leaning towards oak.. Feel free to cast your votes ringbolt2013 1 Quote Current and 1st build - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/3958-hm-colonial-cutter-mermaid-by-ollie-modellers-shipyard/page-47 Second Build -http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6815-hmb-endeavour-by-oliver-al-kit-160-kit-bashrehash-second-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliechristo Posted March 18, 2014 Author Share #425 Posted March 18, 2014 Oak is on the right ringbolt2013 1 Quote Current and 1st build - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/3958-hm-colonial-cutter-mermaid-by-ollie-modellers-shipyard/page-47 Second Build -http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6815-hmb-endeavour-by-oliver-al-kit-160-kit-bashrehash-second-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egkb Posted March 18, 2014 Share #426 Posted March 18, 2014 The Oak looks better to me Ollie, will it work from both sides colour wise though? (I imagine it would be great!) I can understand your reluctance to Stain, can be blotchy sometimes, but done well (as I'm pretty darn sure yours would be!) it could be grand... at least you can experiment on it and if all goes pear-shaped you have the Oak, not a bad fall back eh ? All The Very Best Mate Eamonn olliechristo and ringbolt2013 2 Quote Current Build : HM Schooner Ballahoo In the Pipeline : HM Cutter Sherbourne, HM Mortar Convulsion, Emma C Berry & C18th English Longboat.. Eventually That Is..🙄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted March 18, 2014 Share #427 Posted March 18, 2014 Ollie, I've never worked with Tassie Oak, but I've heard that it can be liable to twisting or bending. Make sure that your Oak dowels are really well seasoned. John ringbolt2013 and olliechristo 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ringbolt2013 Posted March 18, 2014 Share #428 Posted March 18, 2014 Anchors look great! Don't forget the huge ring! I like the gun ports... look right! Masting is scary, what ever color they are they HAVE TO BE STRAIGHT and not prone to warp. You want them to be somewhat stiff too as the rigging can pull them off true. Good luck! Tom olliechristo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliluke Posted March 18, 2014 Share #429 Posted March 18, 2014 Fantastic work on those gun port lids Ollie and they look so much better than the cast ones. I'd actually go for the paler mast. The Tasmanian Oak grain might look out of scale - you shouldn't really see anything but the slightest hint of grain I reckon. On my last model I painted the masts and was pleased with the result so that is another option too? Perhaps mount test masts and go with a colour that fits the rest of your work? Cheers Alistair olliechristo and ringbolt2013 2 Quote Cheers Alistair Current Build - HMS Fly by aliluke - Victory Models - 1/64 https://modelshipworld.com/topic/34180-hms-fly-by-aliluke-victory-models-164/ Previous Build - Armed Virginia Sloop by Model Shipways Previous Build - Dutch Whaler by Sergal (hull only, no log) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANYAN Posted March 18, 2014 Share #430 Posted March 18, 2014 Hi Ollie, looks great mate! WRT the masts; all my furniture at home is Tassie oak with a clear finish. Over about 5 years this has yellowed to a honey colour but does show the grain. I am not sure what degree of grain you will show and whether this would be similar to the masts of the real vessel in appearance. If you are happy with the wood there might be another finish you could consider. I use Huon pine for my masts and have fond a stain made here in Australian (an outback recipe I t believe) called Bushman's stain. When applied to the Huon pine and finished with a dull cote finish (Testors) I think the colour is very similar to that of the masts of the Endeavour replica. I hope this is useful info for you? cheers Pat olliechristo and ringbolt2013 2 Quote If at first you do not suceed, try, and then try again!Current build: HMCSS Victoria (Scratch) Next build: HMAS Vampire (3D printed resin, scratch 1:350) Built: Battle Station (Scratch) and HM Bark Endeavour 1768 (kit 1:64) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliechristo Posted March 19, 2014 Author Share #431 Posted March 19, 2014 Thanks for all the suggestions likes and compliments as usual. It helps me keep momentum.. After looking at the Tass oak closer. I can see the grain is too pronounced really.. Still deciding. Great advice from all.. Some of you may have noticed I used left over copper plates to make my hinges, and some brass safety pins shafts. I like the rivet details, nails would have looked too big and have to be short as port lids are only a few mm thick.. I have been sending the copper surfaces with a fine foam pad and then black enamel. egkb and ringbolt2013 2 Quote Current and 1st build - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/3958-hm-colonial-cutter-mermaid-by-ollie-modellers-shipyard/page-47 Second Build -http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6815-hmb-endeavour-by-oliver-al-kit-160-kit-bashrehash-second-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliechristo Posted March 19, 2014 Author Share #432 Posted March 19, 2014 (edited) Gunports hinges have to be painted much neater on my timber side. I could have made hinge mounts more realistic but I want them movable and as strong as possible.. I have them prepared no worries. It's the glueing on that usually stresses me..... I.need to figure out the purdening for anchor rings, um spelling!? For anchors and I have 1mm black cord but that looks like it might be a bit big.. Regards ollie Edited March 19, 2014 by olliechristo ringbolt2013 1 Quote Current and 1st build - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/3958-hm-colonial-cutter-mermaid-by-ollie-modellers-shipyard/page-47 Second Build -http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6815-hmb-endeavour-by-oliver-al-kit-160-kit-bashrehash-second-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bindy Posted March 19, 2014 Share #433 Posted March 19, 2014 Hi Ollie, I can't be too much help with the masts sorry but had to say that your gun ports look incredible. I didn't really understand why you were going to the trouble of scratch building them but I certainly do now. Great job! And good luck with your mast decision ringbolt2013 and olliechristo 2 Quote Completed Build: Bregante Il Leudo Merchant Launch - Mamoli - 1:72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliechristo Posted March 20, 2014 Author Share #434 Posted March 20, 2014 Thanks Bindy.. Decided I might just use supplied dowels, when I think about it none of the timber in this ship really matches what the original would have been.. I can see why kit supplies gunports, they were a nuisance to make but I'm sure they would be much easier second time round. But jeez I take my hat off to those that make a hundred or so of these.. You have extreme patience. Im happy with the result, they will stay in any position by themselves but I will need to add ropes to act as operating setup.. Ollie Aussie048, Bindy and ringbolt2013 3 Quote Current and 1st build - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/3958-hm-colonial-cutter-mermaid-by-ollie-modellers-shipyard/page-47 Second Build -http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6815-hmb-endeavour-by-oliver-al-kit-160-kit-bashrehash-second-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgbot Posted March 20, 2014 Share #435 Posted March 20, 2014 Great hinges. Your idea of using the left over plating is a stroke of genius. David B olliechristo and ringbolt2013 2 Quote Work in progress USS Maine in cardstock.http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/7446-uss-maine-by-dgbot-hmv-card/#entry220003 Completed Blockade runner Teazer http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6063-blockade-runner-teazer-by-dgbot-card-stock/#entry175967 Completed The Monitor Lehigh http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6920-the-monitor-lehigh-by-dgbot-card-model/#entry203680 Completed Kingston Class MCVD http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/forum/10-kit-build-logs-in-progress/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliechristo Posted March 20, 2014 Author Share #436 Posted March 20, 2014 So a bit of a man cave update,.I got home from work.thinking I would get into it.. Turns out my.ship has sprung a leak!! The house that is.. It's built under a deck and the design to keep water out is failing. Luckily nothing got ruined. I would have gone wandering off sobbing in the forest , it's been one of.those days.. Oh well.soldier.on. Moved my.stuff. There's a river under the room. :-/ Ollie Quote Current and 1st build - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/3958-hm-colonial-cutter-mermaid-by-ollie-modellers-shipyard/page-47 Second Build -http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6815-hmb-endeavour-by-oliver-al-kit-160-kit-bashrehash-second-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgbot Posted March 20, 2014 Share #437 Posted March 20, 2014 Ouch I hope you did not lose to much. David B ringbolt2013 and olliechristo 2 Quote Work in progress USS Maine in cardstock.http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/7446-uss-maine-by-dgbot-hmv-card/#entry220003 Completed Blockade runner Teazer http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6063-blockade-runner-teazer-by-dgbot-card-stock/#entry175967 Completed The Monitor Lehigh http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6920-the-monitor-lehigh-by-dgbot-card-model/#entry203680 Completed Kingston Class MCVD http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/forum/10-kit-build-logs-in-progress/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.Coleman Posted March 20, 2014 Share #438 Posted March 20, 2014 Maybe you start building a boat that you can actualy sail before the water gets too high! Like the ark! olliechristo and ringbolt2013 2 Quote Regards, Scott Current build: 1:75 Friesland, Mamoli Completed builds: 1:64 Rattlesnake, Mamoli - 1:64 HMS Bounty, Mamoli - 1:54 Adventure, Amati - 1:80 King of the Mississippi, AL 1:64 Blue Shadow, Mamoli - 1:64 Leida Dutch pleasure boat, Corel - 1:60 HMS President Mantra, Sergal Awaiting construction: 1:89 Hermione La Fayette AL - 1:48 Perserverance, Modelers shipyard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egkb Posted March 20, 2014 Share #439 Posted March 20, 2014 Jeez Ollie you didn't need that, hope you get it all sorted easily enough! On a brighter note.. your Man Cave looks a little more like mine now though.. that first photo from a few days ago was way too clean & organised.. I'd keep quiet about the River mind you or we'll all want one.. :huh: Seriously though, I'm glad nothing was ruined. All The Best Mate Eamonn I wonder if I can buy a River on eBay ? olliechristo and ringbolt2013 2 Quote Current Build : HM Schooner Ballahoo In the Pipeline : HM Cutter Sherbourne, HM Mortar Convulsion, Emma C Berry & C18th English Longboat.. Eventually That Is..🙄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ringbolt2013 Posted March 20, 2014 Share #440 Posted March 20, 2014 Lovely Just lovely!! olliechristo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted March 20, 2014 Share #441 Posted March 20, 2014 Just what you needed, Ollie. Hope you don't have to man the pumps for too long! John ringbolt2013 and olliechristo 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliechristo Posted March 21, 2014 Author Share #442 Posted March 21, 2014 -Thanks Dave I was lucky. -Lol, S.Coleman. I would love to build a human size ship.. -Eamm. I can spare a bit of river for you mate, postage won't be cheap but -Thanks as always tom -Cheers John egkb and ringbolt2013 2 Quote Current and 1st build - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/3958-hm-colonial-cutter-mermaid-by-ollie-modellers-shipyard/page-47 Second Build -http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6815-hmb-endeavour-by-oliver-al-kit-160-kit-bashrehash-second-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliechristo Posted March 21, 2014 Author Share #443 Posted March 21, 2014 So I've started on my skylight. Made.the carcass. I've been looking forward to making this. I really don't don't like the cast windows, so another scratch component coming up. The first picture is what kit supplies and instructs. The second two are pictures I found that I think are more like it should be. Please advise me if you think they should be otherwise.. Regards ollie ringbolt2013 and Aussie048 2 Quote Current and 1st build - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/3958-hm-colonial-cutter-mermaid-by-ollie-modellers-shipyard/page-47 Second Build -http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6815-hmb-endeavour-by-oliver-al-kit-160-kit-bashrehash-second-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliechristo Posted March 21, 2014 Author Share #444 Posted March 21, 2014 Like this looks nice Quote Current and 1st build - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/3958-hm-colonial-cutter-mermaid-by-ollie-modellers-shipyard/page-47 Second Build -http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6815-hmb-endeavour-by-oliver-al-kit-160-kit-bashrehash-second-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliechristo Posted March 21, 2014 Author Share #445 Posted March 21, 2014 ... Quote Current and 1st build - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/3958-hm-colonial-cutter-mermaid-by-ollie-modellers-shipyard/page-47 Second Build -http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6815-hmb-endeavour-by-oliver-al-kit-160-kit-bashrehash-second-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliluke Posted March 21, 2014 Share #446 Posted March 21, 2014 Hi Ollie Hmmm. This is a complex subject. You'll find a better advisor than me here...The kit version looks too high but the window frames look right. The windows in the other versions look too modern. My Fly kit supplies a top lit skylight but the reality is it was probably side lit. I'd go for your Post 460. A lowered and more compact version of a top lit skylight. I have NO knowledge about this - just going by eye. In the end, know one really knows and much of what we make in respect of these things is just a best guess A hopeless helper... A ringbolt2013 and olliechristo 2 Quote Cheers Alistair Current Build - HMS Fly by aliluke - Victory Models - 1/64 https://modelshipworld.com/topic/34180-hms-fly-by-aliluke-victory-models-164/ Previous Build - Armed Virginia Sloop by Model Shipways Previous Build - Dutch Whaler by Sergal (hull only, no log) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliechristo Posted March 21, 2014 Author Share #447 Posted March 21, 2014 Alistair.. No to the last statement.. you're a great help mate.. I think you could be right about the era... I think I need to do more searching..or as you said someone will know.. Cheers.. ringbolt2013 1 Quote Current and 1st build - http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/3958-hm-colonial-cutter-mermaid-by-ollie-modellers-shipyard/page-47 Second Build -http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6815-hmb-endeavour-by-oliver-al-kit-160-kit-bashrehash-second-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgbot Posted March 21, 2014 Share #448 Posted March 21, 2014 One of the things you have to remember is that back then glass was blown. The size of the panes were limited. I would go with the first photo but use the profile of one of the other photos. David B olliechristo and ringbolt2013 2 Quote Work in progress USS Maine in cardstock.http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/7446-uss-maine-by-dgbot-hmv-card/#entry220003 Completed Blockade runner Teazer http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6063-blockade-runner-teazer-by-dgbot-card-stock/#entry175967 Completed The Monitor Lehigh http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6920-the-monitor-lehigh-by-dgbot-card-model/#entry203680 Completed Kingston Class MCVD http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/forum/10-kit-build-logs-in-progress/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ringbolt2013 Posted March 22, 2014 Share #449 Posted March 22, 2014 Glass was blown into a cylinder then cut and flattened while still plastic. You can always tell old glass panes by the ripple effect of the way it was made! A piece 12 x 12 is about as big as they could make as a standard size. Larger could be made but that was special order and usually too thin for use on board ships. Water hitting it weighs 8 plus pounds a gallon and you would be talking a lot of force. The iron rods are a must because of falling objects and people! Hope this is helpful Ollie. You are doing quite nicely and I bet you are learning a bunch! Tom olliechristo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted March 22, 2014 Share #450 Posted March 22, 2014 Ollie, Here are a couple of photos of skylights on contemporary models of cutters at the NMM at Greenwich which might be helpful to you. John egkb, olliechristo, ringbolt2013 and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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