Jeronimo Posted March 12, 2013 Share #31 Posted March 12, 2013 Hello, this looks very good. Karl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnobiumPunctatum Posted March 12, 2013 Share #32 Posted March 12, 2013 Egen, have you in the meantime tried to put the fore platform into the hull? I am very interested to see if it works as expected. Quote Regards Christian Current build: HM Cutter Alert, 1777; HM Sloop Fly, 1776 - 1/36 On the drawing board: English Ship Sloops Fly, 1776, Comet, 1783 and Aetna, 1776; Naval Cutter Alert, 1777 Paused: HMS Triton, 1771 - 1/48 "Have no fear of perfection - you'll never reach it." Salvador Dali Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egen Posted March 12, 2013 Author Share #33 Posted March 12, 2013 Thank you all for your attention.AnobiumPunctatumI have not installed the platform in hull. I want to prepare some other items to make the complete view how it will look in the hull. This item is made of wood, with some margin, which will be removed after fitting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvm27 Posted March 13, 2013 Share #34 Posted March 13, 2013 Terrific detail, Egen. Like Allan I have not built any large sections off the model but they sure would be easier to do that way. Quote GregwebsiteAdmiralty Modelsmoderator Echo Cross-section buildAdmiralty Models Cross-section BuildFinished buildPegasus, 1776, cross-sectionCurrent buildSpeedwell, 1752 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey1847 Posted March 13, 2013 Share #35 Posted March 13, 2013 Really nice work Egen! Good pics and very good explanation about them. I will folow you for sure! Regards. Daniel. Quote In the shipyard: HMS Triton 1773. POF. 1:48. Daniel On the computer: R.A. Principe de La Paz. POF. 1:48. Daniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egen Posted March 17, 2013 Author Share #36 Posted March 17, 2013 Some continue druxey, PeteB, billocrates and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WackoWolf Posted March 17, 2013 Share #37 Posted March 17, 2013 Your doing an excellent job. This is going to be one big ship when finished, are you going to do the mast and rigging on her? Quote Wacko Joe Go MSW :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egen Posted March 17, 2013 Author Share #38 Posted March 17, 2013 no rigging. Only classic admiralty ship Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnobiumPunctatum Posted March 17, 2013 Share #39 Posted March 17, 2013 Egen, it looks fantastic. It seems that your fore platform fits perfect. I think I will copy the idea. Quote Regards Christian Current build: HM Cutter Alert, 1777; HM Sloop Fly, 1776 - 1/36 On the drawing board: English Ship Sloops Fly, 1776, Comet, 1783 and Aetna, 1776; Naval Cutter Alert, 1777 Paused: HMS Triton, 1771 - 1/48 "Have no fear of perfection - you'll never reach it." Salvador Dali Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egen Posted March 17, 2013 Author Share #40 Posted March 17, 2013 I'm not sure I'm ready to recommend this metod for all the user of forum. This is my first model and I make this model by "trial and error". I think that the approach of EdT is more justified, he checks in the installation but then pulls out and everything comes together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonicmcdude Posted March 17, 2013 Share #41 Posted March 17, 2013 Nice one! Count me in... Egen is the best it can be. Thank you for shairing Quote Greetings, Sinan Build log:TRITON POB 1:72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allanyed Posted March 19, 2013 Share #42 Posted March 19, 2013 Egen I had my doubts that your idea would work, but am now a believer that there is always something new to consider or actually try. Allan Quote PLEASE take 30 SECONDS and sign up for the epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series. Click on http://trafalgar.tv There is no cost other than the 30 seconds of your time. THANK YOU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trussben Posted March 19, 2013 Share #43 Posted March 19, 2013 Looks mighty fine to me Egan, great detailing. Ben Quote Current builds: HMS Pegasus TFFM. HMS Winchelsea. Completed builds: ECHO cross section.18th C Longboat.QA Barge. Medway Longboat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egen Posted March 20, 2013 Author Share #44 Posted March 20, 2013 Trussben, sonicmcdude , AnobiumPunctatum, WackoWolf, harvey1847 thanks you for your interest in my project. A good words always inspire to continue its work! Egen I had my doubts that your idea would work, but am now a believer that there is always something new to consider or actually try. Allan I think that these elements could easily fit inside the hull, when they are completed. The making of other decks this may create problems because they can not make all the outside of the hull. I have done the preparatory work for the lower deck, but I will dismantle it and do step by step beams. I'm also waiting for my copy of the VOLUME 2, that would make the pump. billocrates 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey1847 Posted March 20, 2013 Share #45 Posted March 20, 2013 If I ever finish the Triton (hope so) and after looking the amount of detail of the interior work, I would like to do it again but with no frames at all. When I see the draws of the decks on the AOS series books of any ship in example I think to myself “why not to build this or that deck?” They are beautiful by themselves. The deck beams, the knees, the hatches, ledges, spur beams… One question, Have you round the deck beams or are all “flat”? Good work! I did like the way you lay down all the frames. Daniel. Quote In the shipyard: HMS Triton 1773. POF. 1:48. Daniel On the computer: R.A. Principe de La Paz. POF. 1:48. Daniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egen Posted March 20, 2013 Author Share #46 Posted March 20, 2013 One question, Have you round the deck beams or are all “flat”? Daniel. For platform I made flat beams, as there very insignificant bend. But for lower deck all beams have bend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfn1803 Posted March 20, 2013 Share #47 Posted March 20, 2013 Egen, Most excellent progress!!!!! Regards, Clay Quote Current build: HMS EURYALUS (36) 1803 1: 48 scale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the learner Posted March 27, 2013 Share #48 Posted March 27, 2013 Великий строить! Я буду следовать сейчас. У меня есть книги и планы на Euryalus и хотите, чтобы некоторые день, чтобы построить ее, так что вы будете моим вдохновением! Great build! I will follow now. I have the book and plans on the Euryalus and want some day to build her, so you will be my inspiration! Quote Cheers, GuyThe LearnerCurrent Member NRG,SMA Current Build: HMS Triton 1:48 on line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egen Posted March 27, 2013 Author Share #49 Posted March 27, 2013 the learner This is very good news, I'll be glad to see a new job of this ship!And thanks for your Russian. If you can easily read Russian, we can communicate in Russian forum, it is easier for me. Here I post only the final photos of milestones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the learner Posted March 27, 2013 Share #50 Posted March 27, 2013 (edited) Нет, я просто использовать Google переводчик! мой русский ограничен привет, спасибо и такие, я думал, что вы appriciate! Однако я был там несколько раз.Красивая страна No I just use google translator! my Russian is limited to hello, thank you and the such, However I have been there several times. A beautiful country What is the URL for the Russian Forum? Translating with google is easy Edited March 27, 2013 by the learner Quote Cheers, GuyThe LearnerCurrent Member NRG,SMA Current Build: HMS Triton 1:48 on line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egen Posted March 28, 2013 Author Share #51 Posted March 28, 2013 I also use the Google translator. Russian forum here http://forum.modelsworld.ru/ You can send your questions in English, they more can understand. There are many models of masters Narim, Baranov, and many other Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Sea Dog Posted March 28, 2013 Share #52 Posted March 28, 2013 nice work Quote Dave No problem can be solved from the level of consciousness that created it. Albert Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the learner Posted March 28, 2013 Share #53 Posted March 28, 2013 Egan, I went to the site and find that it is very much like Model Ship World but larger and more expanded. I did follow one Build on the "Black Pearl" ("Черная жемчужина"), it was only two pages. I see the kit he is building uses MDF....not here but if it works guess it is ok. I will go back! Thanks I also use the Google translator. Russian forum here http://forum.modelsworld.ru/ You can send your questions in English, they more can understand. There are many models of masters Narim, Baranov, and many other Quote Cheers, GuyThe LearnerCurrent Member NRG,SMA Current Build: HMS Triton 1:48 on line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egen Posted April 15, 2013 Author Share #54 Posted April 15, 2013 Hello, All! To understand the correct form of the stern and contertimbers, I made a 3D model of woods. I'm not sure I understood correctly drawings. Really want to know the opinion of other builders.To be install on the hull, I probably will do a new version, as there are very large gaps in the dovetail. billocrates, aykutansin, Jeronimo and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbl Posted April 15, 2013 Share #55 Posted April 15, 2013 Hi Egen The innermost short counter (3rd from the side) is shorter. here's two of the images from Vol 2: Ed T's Naiad counter is a good example to look at I think as well, although the dimensions of the transoms are different I think. http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/232-hms-naiad-by-edt-160-frigate-38-1797/page-9#entry13950 http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/232-hms-naiad-by-edt-160-frigate-38-1797/page-13#entry30660 Cheers Rob Quote Current build: HMS Blanche 1800, Scratch POF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egen Posted April 16, 2013 Author Share #56 Posted April 16, 2013 Rob, Thank you for your attention. I looked contertimbers with other pictures, but I still do not understand. In other picture of 3th is long (65 see page V2).I plan to make changes to the design of the stern. maybe it will be like this - see photoshop version Jeronimo and billocrates 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbl Posted April 16, 2013 Share #57 Posted April 16, 2013 (edited) In your picture, the 4th frame in from the left is short as I expect it to be. Sorry, I didn't count the side counter piece before, my fault Is the lower of your red lines a timber on the outside of the stern or a guide line? Below the red line is the upper deck transom and above it is the seat, then the quarter deck transom and above that the "transom of the quarter deck'. Then the other smaller framing for the ports and around the helm port which look to be there on the left of your picture. I did some rough transoms and put them where I think they'll be going here: I don't have the shorter counter timbers in yet, and ignore the rubber band and wonky picture. My dimension for the upper deck transom is only 8 1/2 inches broad (4.5mm) (book says 8 but plans say 8 1/2) and 5 inches (2.6mm) deep, and your upper deck transom looks bigger than that. Yours looks to be 8 1/2 inches deep and perhaps 15" broad, which matches the upper deck beams? Looking again at the upper deck plan in V2, the drawing of the stern seems to match yours better than mine. So apart from my question about the dimension of that deck transom, and what the lower red line represents, the way you have it on the left of the picture (<-----) looks ok to me. Cheers Rob Edited April 16, 2013 by robbl Jeronimo 1 Quote Current build: HMS Blanche 1800, Scratch POF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbl Posted April 16, 2013 Share #58 Posted April 16, 2013 Also, the side counter timbers might need to be longer Egen. Cheers Rob Quote Current build: HMS Blanche 1800, Scratch POF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egen Posted April 16, 2013 Author Share #59 Posted April 16, 2013 sure, I must also check the size deck transom. I suggest to make the rudder and tiller that would check the height and thickness of the upper deck beams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrkempson Posted April 17, 2013 Share #60 Posted April 17, 2013 We may want to allow ourselves some latitude on the matter of the upper deck transom. The 8 1/2 " dimension of the framing plan is taken from the contract. The size of the transom on the drawing is taken from the original plans. They do not match. The transom on the quarterdeck framing plan is 8" in accordance with the contract but on the original inboard drawing it is 12". My inboard drawing reflects the original inboard drawing and not the contract. All along the way we were faced with this kind of contradictory evidence. There was quite a bit of time between drawing the various components of the ship, so I suspect that is why in this case both sets of dimensions have made their way into the book and plans. Where does that leave the builder? In the same place as Mr. Adams at Bucklers Hard. You will need to fit the piece in. Alan built the model so he is more able to describe his process. The inboard profile gives a larger timber with more room to accept the rabbet for the deck planking. On the other hand, the stern was to be kept light. Ed seems to have chosen the larger figure for Naiad (plan 13D). Anyway, that I think is the genesis of the problem. Wayne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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