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Posted

Hello everybody

 

Today I will start my second build log in this great forum. Presently I am not only working on my model of the HMS Victory (Caldercraft) but started my first card model “Schwarzer Rabe” by Shipyard, 1:96.


Schwarzer Rabe (black raven) is a typical fluyt, a type of ship created in the Netherlands around the end of the 16th century. The fluyts were common in Northern Germany, The Baltic Sea and had some features distinguishing them from other types of

sailing ships. They had a characteristic round stern and special proportions of the hull: narrow deck (because Danish customs were charged according to the deck space) and wide lower hull since fluyts were merchandise vessel and needed to store as much goods as possible. As a result of that the bulwark is strongly moving inside towards the deck.


Schwarzer Rabe was captured by the Poles and was then one of the vessels of the victorious Royal Polish Fleet in the battle of Oliwa in 1627. Its original dimensions are: length approx.. 106 ft, width approx.. 7m. The card model will be 40,5 cm long, 16,8cm wide and 34 cm high. The vessel was armed with 8 cannons.


In addition to the card model set I also bought a set with lasercut ribs, details of the construction, masts (round wood).

In the first few pics I will show you parts of the card set.

Further pics show the construction of the hull. First, the ribs were glued together with the deck. Then comes the so-called first planking. Everything is strongly glued and gives a stable hull. Then the inner bulwarks are glued in place. This

is followed by the second planking. The second planks are small stripes of paper with 2-3 planks. 

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In my shipyard:

 

HMS Victory 1:72, Caldercraft (wood): http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/416-hms-victory-by-romiol-caldercraft-172/

 

Schwarzer Rabe (Fluyte 1672) Shipyard, Card, 1:96: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/424-schwarzer-rabe-fluyte-1627-by-romiol-shipyard-card-196/

Posted

Uuuups, there happened some disorder in the serie... sorry!

 

Cheers

Rosmarie

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In my shipyard:

 

HMS Victory 1:72, Caldercraft (wood): http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/416-hms-victory-by-romiol-caldercraft-172/

 

Schwarzer Rabe (Fluyte 1672) Shipyard, Card, 1:96: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/424-schwarzer-rabe-fluyte-1627-by-romiol-shipyard-card-196/

Posted

Hi Rosmarie,

 

nice to meet you at MSW. Your Black Raven will be a beautyful card model.

Regards Christian

 

Current build: HM Cutter Alert, 1777; HM Sloop Fly, 1776 - 1/36

On the drawing board: English Ship Sloops Fly, 1776, Comet, 1783 and Aetna, 1776; Naval Cutter Alert, 1777

Paused: HMS Triton, 1771 - 1/48

"Have no fear of perfection - you'll never reach it." Salvador Dali

Posted
 

not bad a result for first paper model. good luck and steady hands. i have got Lexington from shipyard, almost half way through, just cannot force myself to finnish it...

 

 

pavol

 

Pavol stands for Paul, Pablo, Paolo etc. Please do not try to pronounce it, just call me Pav...

Posted

Hello everybody


I forgot to mention, that the blue top part towards the stern is made with overlapping strips of paper, as it was done in the original. And I also forgot to write

about the gunport sills, made from 1x1mm card and glued to backside of the first planking. So there are “real” gunports.


There are also two “walls” on the main deck, on which there are small stripes of paper overlapping each other.

Next follow the several wales, single planks glued on top of the second planking.

Cheers,
 

Rosmarie

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In my shipyard:

 

HMS Victory 1:72, Caldercraft (wood): http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/416-hms-victory-by-romiol-caldercraft-172/

 

Schwarzer Rabe (Fluyte 1672) Shipyard, Card, 1:96: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/424-schwarzer-rabe-fluyte-1627-by-romiol-shipyard-card-196/

Posted

Hello Rosemarie,

 

Just catching up with your Schwarzer Rabe log, excellent work there, everything is clean and neat. I have always wanted to try out card models and will watch your log to learn more about these fantastic kits :) 

Best regards,

Aldo

Currently Building:
HMS Pegasus (Victory Models)-Mothballed to give priority to Triton

 

HMS Triton (first attempt at scratchbuilding)

 

 


Past build:
HM Brig Badger (Caldercraft), HM Brig Cruizer, HM Schooner Ballahoo

Posted

Hello everybody
 

I continued with some deck details, i.e. the gratings. This was followed by the building of the galion which was constructed from several lasercut parts. Again, I was very happy with Shipyards work, all parts matched perfectly! The whole galion was then painted, some decorations added and everything covered with varnish.

 

Then I fixed the vertical stabilizers of the inner bulwark: a lot of small stripes glued in place. This was followed by the construction of the rail on the poop
deck. This was hard work since the pillars are very small (1mm x 1mm) and aren’t as firm as those from wood. So they tend to break when the upper rail is fixed. After the rails I could finish the stern. Here you can also see the very special form of the stern of the fluyte.


Cheers,

Rosmarie

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In my shipyard:

 

HMS Victory 1:72, Caldercraft (wood): http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/416-hms-victory-by-romiol-caldercraft-172/

 

Schwarzer Rabe (Fluyte 1672) Shipyard, Card, 1:96: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/424-schwarzer-rabe-fluyte-1627-by-romiol-shipyard-card-196/

Posted

Uuups, I forgot the last pic with the beautiful and very special (typical fluyte) stern.

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In my shipyard:

 

HMS Victory 1:72, Caldercraft (wood): http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/416-hms-victory-by-romiol-caldercraft-172/

 

Schwarzer Rabe (Fluyte 1672) Shipyard, Card, 1:96: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/424-schwarzer-rabe-fluyte-1627-by-romiol-shipyard-card-196/

Posted

I finished the rails, attached several details to the deck, completed the galion and attached the rudder.


Pictures:

1 Fluytes show the way from the tiller to a wheel: the mechanism was according to the later wheel while there wasn’t a wheel on deck.

2 pumps, bit

3 parts of the bit

4 completed galion

5 spill


And some pics showing the vessel

 

Cheers,

Rosmarie



 

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In my shipyard:

 

HMS Victory 1:72, Caldercraft (wood): http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/416-hms-victory-by-romiol-caldercraft-172/

 

Schwarzer Rabe (Fluyte 1672) Shipyard, Card, 1:96: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/424-schwarzer-rabe-fluyte-1627-by-romiol-shipyard-card-196/

Posted

Hello everybody
 

After finishing the deck details I started with the gun port lids. Since “Schwarzer Rabe” has mainly been a merchandise vessel and as such sailed with closed gun ports, I decided to show in in this way. In addition, I didn’t love the card-guns much… As you can see, the lids are done quite detailed.

 

Then I started with making the masts. For this I used wood which had to be bevelled and sanded in form. The attached parts, top, cap, cross tree were made from card.

 

The following pics show the gunport lid, finished gun ports, and the main mast with all its details.

 

Cheers,

Rosmarie

 


 

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In my shipyard:

 

HMS Victory 1:72, Caldercraft (wood): http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/416-hms-victory-by-romiol-caldercraft-172/

 

Schwarzer Rabe (Fluyte 1672) Shipyard, Card, 1:96: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/424-schwarzer-rabe-fluyte-1627-by-romiol-shipyard-card-196/

Posted

Now is the start of the rigging...

I decided to do the sprit mast first, befor I fixed it to the hull because I thought this to be easier for handling. First I placed the lower deadeyes, however without fixing them definitively. Then I added the takles and the upper deadeyes so all had the same lenght. Finally I attached the shrouds, with small seizings. BTW: I used wooden deadeyes (2mm).

 

Next I prepared the channels with the lower deadeyes. Here I used 2.5mm deadeyes, wood, which were placed in the small noch of the channel and then covered with small strip of card. They are not fixed in the channel but can move up- and downwards, as long as the futtocs are not glued to the hull (well, I'm not sure wheter I use the right words for all these parts of a ship...). As to the takles: they are not yet fixed i.e. I will give them the definitive tension later on when the shrouds are set. Anyway, the pictures will show what I do... 

 

Cheers,

Rosmarie

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In my shipyard:

 

HMS Victory 1:72, Caldercraft (wood): http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/416-hms-victory-by-romiol-caldercraft-172/

 

Schwarzer Rabe (Fluyte 1672) Shipyard, Card, 1:96: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/424-schwarzer-rabe-fluyte-1627-by-romiol-shipyard-card-196/

Posted

Hi everybody
 

Today I started with working on the shrouds. Mohnfeld mentions under “tricks” that one should first mount the most rear pair of shrouds on each mast first as well as the matching fore-stay. Then one should give them the definitive tension and by this the masts are fixed. Then the rest of the shrouds and ropes can follow. For me this sounds logical and I will go for this method.

 

First I put the starboard pendant tackle around the mast top, fixed it with a seizing and some CA. Same on the portside and  cut
the rope to reasonable length. Then I fixed the most rear pear of shrouds in the same way, first stb, then port side.

 

For binding in the deadeyes I formed an eye at the matching length and fixed it with a crocodile clip. Then I made a seizing around it, put the eye around the deadeye and pushed to seizing towards the deadeye. Sounds complicated but was quite easy. However, no pictures, because I have on two hands and needed both of them…. The seizing was then fixed with watered wood glue, but only on the surface so the length of the shroud could be adjusted if necessary later.

 

Next I did the tackling, the knot at the beginning was fixed with watered glue, all the rest stayed mobile for adjustment.

 

The whole system is quite stable but adjustment while setting the tension on the different shrouds and stays is possible.

 

Until tonight, the most rear shrouds on each mast are done…

 

Cheers,

Rosmarie



 

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In my shipyard:

 

HMS Victory 1:72, Caldercraft (wood): http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/416-hms-victory-by-romiol-caldercraft-172/

 

Schwarzer Rabe (Fluyte 1672) Shipyard, Card, 1:96: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/424-schwarzer-rabe-fluyte-1627-by-romiol-shipyard-card-196/

Posted

This afternoon I put all shrouds over the respective mast-tops and attached them loosley on the channels. Then followed the stays. I started with the stay of the main mast. First an eye fixed with a seizing, then a mini-mouse and then the deadeye goes to the bottom. The lower part ws started with the deadeye in the middle of a lenght of rope which went down under bow spriet and through a hole, the upwards and fixed with seizings. Finally the takkle. All seizings are fixed with watered wood glue, the tackle is loose. All three stays were done in the same way and are just set but without much tension.

 

Cheers,

Rosmarie

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In my shipyard:

 

HMS Victory 1:72, Caldercraft (wood): http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/416-hms-victory-by-romiol-caldercraft-172/

 

Schwarzer Rabe (Fluyte 1672) Shipyard, Card, 1:96: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/424-schwarzer-rabe-fluyte-1627-by-romiol-shipyard-card-196/

Posted

Very nice work, Rosmarie.  I had a hard time figuring out it was paper until I went back and started at the top again. 

Mark
"The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me

Current Build:                                                                                             
Past Builds:
 La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD           Triton Cross-Section   

 NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit                                                                            HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64               

 

Non-Ship Model:                                                                                         On hold, maybe forever:           

CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed                                                   Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)         

         

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                

Posted

Hi Rosmarie,

 

That's a very nice ship you're building. Flute ships have my special interest, and I'm currently building one myself.

 

I'm thinking about buying this paper kit and making a wood version of it......

If it doesn't bend, it breaks.

Posted

Hello Rosmarie,

 

Great job and a beautiful ship. It's indeed hard to believe it's made of paper.

 

Take care,

 

Anja

Those we loved but lost are no longer where they were, but are always where we are.


In the gallery: Albatros 1840 - Constructo

Posted

Thanks to you for your kind comments. For me too, when I see pictures of some of the paper models it's still hard to believe that's "only" paper - the new productions by Shipyard are reallly very realistic ones and it's real pleasure building them. Well, not as much pleasure as wood builts, but a nice alternation...

 

Cheers and happy modeling

Rosmarie

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In my shipyard:

 

HMS Victory 1:72, Caldercraft (wood): http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/416-hms-victory-by-romiol-caldercraft-172/

 

Schwarzer Rabe (Fluyte 1672) Shipyard, Card, 1:96: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/424-schwarzer-rabe-fluyte-1627-by-romiol-shipyard-card-196/

Posted (edited)

In the last days I worked on the shrouds. Not a very difficult thing in general, however quite a challenge to have all tackles of the same length, all deadeyes in a parallel line to the channels. While the deadeyes on the shrouds are now fixed with CA, the tackles are just knotted and not yet fixed with glue. I will do this only when all parts of the standing rig is read and when I can adjust the tensions.

 

As next I worked on the fore mast and hanged the shrouds of the topmast then assembled the backstays. At last (for today) I did the fore mast stay with its special tackle to the sprit.

 

Cheers,

Rosmarie

 

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1 Shrouds-mixture - or why does a ship need so many ropes....

2 Fixing a deadeye - most important tool

3 Tackles

4 Fore mast with backstay

5 Fore mast with deadeyes

6 Fore mast with stay

7 Tackle of fore stay

8 all shrouds set

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In my shipyard:

 

HMS Victory 1:72, Caldercraft (wood): http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/416-hms-victory-by-romiol-caldercraft-172/

 

Schwarzer Rabe (Fluyte 1672) Shipyard, Card, 1:96: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/424-schwarzer-rabe-fluyte-1627-by-romiol-shipyard-card-196/

Posted

Hi Augie

 

Well, I started building Victory without this great tool - found it while studying Gil's log. Then search around here, then in the internet and finally had to order them from the USA!!! And there are other great tools - mostly ordered after seeing them in this forum and nearly all of them bought from the USA. So: What would I do without internet???

 

Cheers,

Rosmarie

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In my shipyard:

 

HMS Victory 1:72, Caldercraft (wood): http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/416-hms-victory-by-romiol-caldercraft-172/

 

Schwarzer Rabe (Fluyte 1672) Shipyard, Card, 1:96: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/424-schwarzer-rabe-fluyte-1627-by-romiol-shipyard-card-196/

Posted

Hello Rosmarie,

 

Nice and very neatly done.

 

What kind of rope do you use?

 

Take care and keep up the good work,

 

Anja

Those we loved but lost are no longer where they were, but are always where we are.


In the gallery: Albatros 1840 - Constructo

Posted

Hi Rosmarie!  Thanks for this build log! These card kits look pretty interesting and it was neat to see how they go together. Do all the pieces come pre-cut or do you have to cut them out? Some of the parts look pretty delicate and look like they would be really tricky to cut out. Nice job!

-Buck

 

Current build: AL Morgan's Whaleboat (1st build)

 

Kits in the ships locker: I cannot confirm nor deny that there may be a few kits in there...

Posted

Hi Anja

Thanks for your kind comment! I use the rope which comes from Caldercraft - while building Victory's cannons I couldn't find the rope from the kit and ordered all new - now I have plenty of it and can use it for paper models.

 

Hki Buck

Thanks for your kind comment. Usually you have to cut nearly all parts. This model, however, comes with lasercut frame parts and you can buy an additional set with lasercut details (I highly recommend it!) which spare you a lot of difficult work. And there is an addition set for masts which includes the wood and lasercut parts of masts, also highly recommended.

 

Cheers,

Rosmarie

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In my shipyard:

 

HMS Victory 1:72, Caldercraft (wood): http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/416-hms-victory-by-romiol-caldercraft-172/

 

Schwarzer Rabe (Fluyte 1672) Shipyard, Card, 1:96: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/424-schwarzer-rabe-fluyte-1627-by-romiol-shipyard-card-196/

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Posted

Hello Rosmarie,

 

You haven't posted for a while. How are you doing? Are you well?

I hope you will be able to get back at your build soon, you are missed.

 

Take care,

 

Anja

Those we loved but lost are no longer where they were, but are always where we are.


In the gallery: Albatros 1840 - Constructo

Posted

Hi Anja

 

Thans for asking - I am very fine, was just busy with other models....

 

Hello everybody

 

The next step was the work on the main top mast. First I assembled the backstay which, as the fore back stay went down to a ring just behind the channel. The main topmast stay goes down to a ring at the foot of the fore mast. A challenge was the tackle which had to go in between of the two ropes of the main stay – a little bit tricky, to bring the blocks down.

 

Next were the shrouds on the topmasts – same as with the other shrouds, so nothing special.

 

Now I could start with setting all those shrouds, stays, backstays really firm without bending the masts. I used quite a lot of time for this, made knots without fixing them with glue and let everything rest for 2 days. Then I controlled, adjusted everything and fixed the ends of the tackle ropes with a drop of superglue.

 

And then the ratlines! Well, nothing special, but a very boring job. I fixed a paper with the adequate lines behind the shrouds and started with these hundreds of knots… I decided to fix only the knots on the two outer shrouds and let the other ones “natural”.

 

That was the time when I needed some change and when I started building a card-biplane. So it was 5 to 6 ratlines, then some work on the plane, then another 5-6 ratlines and so on. The plane made good process as did the ratlines.

 

On 11 May there is a meeting of card modellers in Radolfszell (Lake Constance) where I will attend and I will show the Scharzer Rabe there with the completed standing rig, as well as the now finished biplane.

 

By mid May I will have to decide how to proceed with the fluite: Shall I present her with all sails or with running rig only? What do you suggest?

The next step was the work on the main top mast. First I assembled the backstay which, as the fore back stay went down to a ring just behind the channel. The main topmast stay goes down to a ring at the foot of the fore mast. A challenge was the tackle which had to go in between of the two ropes of the main stay – a little bit tricky, to bring the blocks down.

 

Next were the shrouds on the topmasts – same as with the other shrouds, so nothing special.

 

Now I could start with setting all those shrouds, stays, backstays really firm without bending the masts. I used quite a lot of time for this, made knots without fixing them with glue and let everything rest for 2 days. Then I controlled, adjusted everything and fixed the ends of the tackle ropes with a drop of superglue.

 

And then the ratlines! Well, nothing special, but a very boring job. I fixed a paper with the adequate lines behind the shrouds and started with these hundreds of knots… I decided to fix only the knots on the two outer shrouds and let the other ones “natural”.

 

That was the time when I needed some change and when I started building a card-biplane. So it was 5 to 6 ratlines, then some work on the plane, then another 5-6 ratlines and so on. The plane made good process as did the ratlines.

 

On 11 May there is a meeting of card modellers in Radolfszell (Lake Constance) where I will attend and I will show the Scharzer Rabe there with the completed standing rig, as well as the now finished biplane.

 

By mid May I will have to decide how to proceed with the fluite: Shall I present her with all sails or with running rig only? What do you suggest?

 

 

Cheers,

Rosmarie

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In my shipyard:

 

HMS Victory 1:72, Caldercraft (wood): http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/416-hms-victory-by-romiol-caldercraft-172/

 

Schwarzer Rabe (Fluyte 1672) Shipyard, Card, 1:96: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/424-schwarzer-rabe-fluyte-1627-by-romiol-shipyard-card-196/

Posted

Hello Rosmarie,

 

Yes, life has a way of getting in the way of our builds

It's good to see you back at the shipyard. You've been missed.

 

And it's cheers to you on a job well done.

She is looking absolutely beautiful. My compliments.

 

Take care,

 

Anja

Those we loved but lost are no longer where they were, but are always where we are.


In the gallery: Albatros 1840 - Constructo

  • 2 weeks later...
Posted

Hello Rosmarie,

 

Enjoy the card modellers meeting in Radolfszell next saturday.

I'm sure both your models, ship and plane will knock their socks off (in a positive way of course).

 

Take care,

 

Anja

Those we loved but lost are no longer where they were, but are always where we are.


In the gallery: Albatros 1840 - Constructo

  • 2 weeks later...
Posted

Hello Rosmarie,

 

How was your meeting with the card modellers in South Germany?

 

Take care,

 

Anja

Those we loved but lost are no longer where they were, but are always where we are.


In the gallery: Albatros 1840 - Constructo

  • 2 months later...
Posted

Hi Anja

 

The meeting in Radolfszell war great – a lot of fellow modellers, beautiful models, good food, good talk – what do you want more….

 

And the meeting had some consequences, since next year the organizers would like to have airplanes as main exhibition models. Usually most people build ships (navy, WWI to WWII). So my Fluite and my biplane were the nearly the only “special” items. And, well, the card virus infected me even more and I started to build some other planes…..

 

If you are interested in the biplanes, you will find them at the end of my present Victory log and more of them here: http://www.kartonbau.de/forum/index.php?page=Portal – same nickname as in this forum.

 

Cheers, and thanks for asking

 

Rosmarie

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In my shipyard:

 

HMS Victory 1:72, Caldercraft (wood): http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/416-hms-victory-by-romiol-caldercraft-172/

 

Schwarzer Rabe (Fluyte 1672) Shipyard, Card, 1:96: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/424-schwarzer-rabe-fluyte-1627-by-romiol-shipyard-card-196/

Posted

Hi Rosmarie,

unbelievable, an outstanding Job in Card, did you take a course with Doris recently?

The Fluyte is a very interesting ship, not so popular for modelling, but now it`s presenting this type at ist best. Must be very high skill and accuracy  to do all this in scale 1:96

 

Nils

Current builds

-Lightship Elbe 1

Completed

- Steamship Ergenstrasse ex Laker Corsicana 1918- scale 1:87 scratchbuild

"Zeesboot"  heritage wooden fishing small craft around 1870, POB  clinker scratch build scale 1:24

Pilot Schooner # 5 ELBE  ex Wanderbird, scale 1:50 scratchbuild

Mississippi Sterwheelsteamer built as christmapresent for grandson modified kit build

Chebec "Eagle of Algier" 1753--scale 1:48-POB-(scratchbuild) 

"SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, blue ribbond awarded, 1:144 (scratchbuild)
"HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan 

-"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96  (scratchbuild)

-"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild) 

"Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild)  original was my grandfathers ship

-"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50 

"Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, fictive design (scratchbuild), scale appr. 1:32

under restoration / restoration finished 

"Hjejlen" steam paddlewheeler, 1861, Billings Boats rare old kit, scale 1:50

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