Chuck Seiler Posted May 14, 2014 Share #121 Posted May 14, 2014 Hey Mike, maybe we can get Ken to make ROYAL SAVAGE. I kind of question the wisdom of all those swivel guns on the quarterdeck. Seems kind of crowded. However, that is where the Ernie Haas painting has them. Philly is about 90-95% complete. I have not had a chance to get any photos. I will get some tonight. Mike 41 1 Quote Chuck Seiler San Diego Ship Modelers Guild Nautical Research Guild Current Build:: Colonial Schooner SULTANA (scratch from Model Expo Plans), Hanseatic Cog Wutender Hund, Pinas Cross Section Completed: Missouri Riverboat FAR WEST (1876) Scratch, 1776 Gunboat PHILADELPHIA (Scratch), John Smith Shallop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike 41 Posted May 14, 2014 Author Share #122 Posted May 14, 2014 Hi Chuck, The Royal Savage would make a good first scratch build for Ken I’ll post a picture and see what he thinks. Howard Chapelle’s drawings show the swivel guns on the quarterdeck also. It probably was a little crowded and noisy when the guns were busy. Mike Saburo, mtaylor and Elmer Cornish 3 Quote Previous Builds: USS Pennsylvania - (1837) Scale: 1:64 Cross Section Continental Galley Washington 1776 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BareHook Posted May 14, 2014 Share #123 Posted May 14, 2014 Interesting, what kind of documentation/plan are available? Ken Saburo 1 Quote Current Build: Authentic Hannah Kit Bash Pending Continuation: Sea of Galilee Boat Completed Build: MS AVS On Shelf: AL Independence, Blue Jacket Alfred Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike 41 Posted May 14, 2014 Author Share #124 Posted May 14, 2014 Hi Ken, It seems like I spoke too soon, I found the picture of the Royal Savage on the internet but haven’t been able to locate any plans. There may be plans and documentation in the Smithsonian Institute but I haven’t ordered anything from them. Chuck may know if plans are available. Mike Saburo 1 Quote Previous Builds: USS Pennsylvania - (1837) Scale: 1:64 Cross Section Continental Galley Washington 1776 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Seiler Posted May 14, 2014 Share #125 Posted May 14, 2014 (edited) I strongly suspect not. WASHINGTON was captured and the Brits took the lines of of her. Smithsonian has a couple pages of plans. PHILLY was raised and surveyed. Smith has a buttload of pages of plans for this....16 I believe. I am looking at an old copy of the "Smithsonian Collection of Warship Plans" and find nothing for Royal Savage. Since it burned, the British may not hav gotten any info from it. C'mon....can't you build a model based just on the picture? Edited May 14, 2014 by Chuck Seiler Saburo and Mike 41 2 Quote Chuck Seiler San Diego Ship Modelers Guild Nautical Research Guild Current Build:: Colonial Schooner SULTANA (scratch from Model Expo Plans), Hanseatic Cog Wutender Hund, Pinas Cross Section Completed: Missouri Riverboat FAR WEST (1876) Scratch, 1776 Gunboat PHILADELPHIA (Scratch), John Smith Shallop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BareHook Posted May 15, 2014 Share #126 Posted May 15, 2014 I probably could convert from any schooner, but when I start scratch building, I want to build as historically accurate as possible. Right now I'm "cutting my teeth" or building my skills on some ficticious kits that i'm renaming after each of my kids. Ken Mike 41 and Saburo 2 Quote Current Build: Authentic Hannah Kit Bash Pending Continuation: Sea of Galilee Boat Completed Build: MS AVS On Shelf: AL Independence, Blue Jacket Alfred Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike 41 Posted May 15, 2014 Author Share #127 Posted May 15, 2014 This set of photos shows the rudder and catheads installed. Elmer Cornish, WackoWolf, qwerty2008 and 9 others 12 Quote Previous Builds: USS Pennsylvania - (1837) Scale: 1:64 Cross Section Continental Galley Washington 1776 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike 41 Posted May 16, 2014 Author Share #128 Posted May 16, 2014 This set of photos shows the sweeps stowed on the quarterdeck. GrandpaPhil, mtaylor, Saburo and 8 others 11 Quote Previous Builds: USS Pennsylvania - (1837) Scale: 1:64 Cross Section Continental Galley Washington 1776 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike 41 Posted May 18, 2014 Author Share #129 Posted May 18, 2014 This set of photos shows the capstan, anchor and pump. The capstan was made from rosewood, the anchor is boxwood and walnut and the pump is beech wood. Elmer Cornish, Aussie048, WackoWolf and 9 others 12 Quote Previous Builds: USS Pennsylvania - (1837) Scale: 1:64 Cross Section Continental Galley Washington 1776 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike 41 Posted May 20, 2014 Author Share #130 Posted May 20, 2014 This set of photos shows the remaining four guns. 6, 9, 12 and 18 pounders the guns are ebony and the carriages are made from cherry. JesseLee, harvey1847, mtaylor and 9 others 12 Quote Previous Builds: USS Pennsylvania - (1837) Scale: 1:64 Cross Section Continental Galley Washington 1776 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike 41 Posted May 20, 2014 Author Share #131 Posted May 20, 2014 This set of photos shows the gunport lids being installed. WackoWolf, Saburo, JesseLee and 9 others 12 Quote Previous Builds: USS Pennsylvania - (1837) Scale: 1:64 Cross Section Continental Galley Washington 1776 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrickmil Posted May 20, 2014 Share #132 Posted May 20, 2014 Very nice work Mike. The cannons look excellent. Mike 41 and Saburo 2 Quote Thanks, Patrick YouTube Channel for fun: Patrick's Scale Studio Finished: Model Shipways US Brig Niagara I Love Kit USS Curtis Wilbur DDG-54 Current: Trumpeter USS Yorktown CV-5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike 41 Posted May 20, 2014 Author Share #133 Posted May 20, 2014 Thanks Patrick. It seems strange having the guns so many different sizes. Mike Saburo 1 Quote Previous Builds: USS Pennsylvania - (1837) Scale: 1:64 Cross Section Continental Galley Washington 1776 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Seiler Posted May 26, 2014 Share #134 Posted May 26, 2014 I guess that's what happens when you slap a fleet together with what is available. I have similar issues with PHILADELPHIA that I will explain on my blog when I finally get my ducks in one sock. Long story short, there are alot of design flaws that make it look awkward. Somethng apparently as simple as not having enough ringbolts/eyebolts forces them to double up the use of several bolts causing non symetrical rigging and (in my mind) a less than crisp looking appearance. They didn't build the shils/fleet to make life easier for modelers...but it sure does make an interesting build. Great work so far Mike. I'll see you at Valcour. Mike 41 and Saburo 2 Quote Chuck Seiler San Diego Ship Modelers Guild Nautical Research Guild Current Build:: Colonial Schooner SULTANA (scratch from Model Expo Plans), Hanseatic Cog Wutender Hund, Pinas Cross Section Completed: Missouri Riverboat FAR WEST (1876) Scratch, 1776 Gunboat PHILADELPHIA (Scratch), John Smith Shallop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike 41 Posted June 19, 2014 Author Share #135 Posted June 19, 2014 I used some popular dowel rods for the mast and yards. This set of photos shows the masts being made and stepped. mtaylor, GrandpaPhil, qwerty2008 and 9 others 12 Quote Previous Builds: USS Pennsylvania - (1837) Scale: 1:64 Cross Section Continental Galley Washington 1776 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike 41 Posted June 22, 2014 Author Share #136 Posted June 22, 2014 This set of photos shows the yards being made. Saburo, mtaylor, JesseLee and 4 others 7 Quote Previous Builds: USS Pennsylvania - (1837) Scale: 1:64 Cross Section Continental Galley Washington 1776 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike 41 Posted June 22, 2014 Author Share #137 Posted June 22, 2014 This set of photos shows the channel being installed. JesseLee, WackoWolf, Elmer Cornish and 7 others 11 Quote Previous Builds: USS Pennsylvania - (1837) Scale: 1:64 Cross Section Continental Galley Washington 1776 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike 41 Posted June 22, 2014 Author Share #138 Posted June 22, 2014 The shrouds are made from three strands of number 12 cotton thread. This set of photos shows the shrouds being installed. Elmer Cornish, GrandpaPhil, Saburo and 7 others 10 Quote Previous Builds: USS Pennsylvania - (1837) Scale: 1:64 Cross Section Continental Galley Washington 1776 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike 41 Posted June 22, 2014 Author Share #139 Posted June 22, 2014 This is a few more photos of the shrouds. hexnut, qwerty2008, JesseLee and 6 others 9 Quote Previous Builds: USS Pennsylvania - (1837) Scale: 1:64 Cross Section Continental Galley Washington 1776 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike 41 Posted June 23, 2014 Author Share #140 Posted June 23, 2014 A few ratlines complete the shrouds. qwerty2008, hexnut, Jason and 5 others 8 Quote Previous Builds: USS Pennsylvania - (1837) Scale: 1:64 Cross Section Continental Galley Washington 1776 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike 41 Posted June 23, 2014 Author Share #141 Posted June 23, 2014 This set of photos show the yards and anchor being installed. GrandpaPhil, KevinR, robnbill and 10 others 13 Quote Previous Builds: USS Pennsylvania - (1837) Scale: 1:64 Cross Section Continental Galley Washington 1776 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesseLee Posted June 23, 2014 Share #142 Posted June 23, 2014 Always learning something new. Thanks for showing how to make the extra long yards. I've never seen that before. Saburo 1 Quote Current build: Syren : Kit- Model Shipways Side project: HMS Bounty - Revel -(plastic) On hold: Pre-owned, unfinished Mayflower (wood) Past builds: Scottish Maid - AL- 1:50, USS North Carolina Battleship -1/350 (plastic), Andromede - Dikar (wood), Yatch Atlantic - 14" (wood), Pirate Ship - 1:72 (plastic), Custom built wood Brig from scratch - ?(3/4" =1'), 4 small scratch builds (wood), Vietnamese fishing boat (wood) & a Ship in a bottle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike 41 Posted June 23, 2014 Author Share #143 Posted June 23, 2014 Thanks JesseLee, I hadn’t seen this method of making extra-long yards before building the Washington either but they are shown like this on the plans by Jeff. Mike Saburo, JesseLee and cookster 3 Quote Previous Builds: USS Pennsylvania - (1837) Scale: 1:64 Cross Section Continental Galley Washington 1776 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike 41 Posted June 25, 2014 Author Share #144 Posted June 25, 2014 The stand is made from mahogany with a brown stain. These photos show the stand and finished model and some of her friends. Saburo, WackoWolf, MEDDO and 10 others 13 Quote Previous Builds: USS Pennsylvania - (1837) Scale: 1:64 Cross Section Continental Galley Washington 1776 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIPEXEC Posted June 25, 2014 Share #145 Posted June 25, 2014 Nice work! Saburo 1 Quote Rich Rich USS Constitution by hipexec (Finished build) Virginia Pilot Boat 1805 (gallery - first build) USS Syren (USS Argus) by Hipexec Joshua Slocum's Spray by HIPEXEC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike 41 Posted June 25, 2014 Author Share #146 Posted June 25, 2014 Thanks, Rich. Quote Previous Builds: USS Pennsylvania - (1837) Scale: 1:64 Cross Section Continental Galley Washington 1776 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SawdustDave Posted June 25, 2014 Share #147 Posted June 25, 2014 (edited) Mike: Very nice work. So what was the reasoning for the extremely oversized yards on this ship? Never seen anything like this. Dave Edited June 25, 2014 by SawdustDave Saburo 1 Quote Sawdust Dave - Current build - USS Constitution 1:60th (scratch).... Visit my blog site - All previous builds.... http://davesmodelships.blogspot.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Seiler Posted June 25, 2014 Share #148 Posted June 25, 2014 (edited) Is that HMS THUNDERER I see? Ooops. Can't be. Has a US flag. Edited June 25, 2014 by Chuck Seiler Quote Chuck Seiler San Diego Ship Modelers Guild Nautical Research Guild Current Build:: Colonial Schooner SULTANA (scratch from Model Expo Plans), Hanseatic Cog Wutender Hund, Pinas Cross Section Completed: Missouri Riverboat FAR WEST (1876) Scratch, 1776 Gunboat PHILADELPHIA (Scratch), John Smith Shallop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike 41 Posted June 26, 2014 Author Share #149 Posted June 26, 2014 Sawdust Dave, Sorry it took so long to get back to you I needed to check with Jeff (the designer) about where the length of the yards came from. He used an existing model for the yard lengths. This is a photo that he used. I agree the yards are extremely long. The original drawings Jeff used show stub masts without the yards. Mike Mirabell61, Saburo, JesseLee and 2 others 5 Quote Previous Builds: USS Pennsylvania - (1837) Scale: 1:64 Cross Section Continental Galley Washington 1776 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChadB Posted June 26, 2014 Share #150 Posted June 26, 2014 Very nice work throughout Mike! Does Jeff sell his plans or have them downloadable somewhere? I've been interested in the Washington for quite some time and it looks like Jeff did a great job on the plans. I'm sure you've read it, but for anyone checking in who would like some good reading- Benedict Arnold's Navy by Jeff Nelson is a great book on the Battle of Valcour Bay, and really makes you understand why Benedict Arnold turned traitor. Again, great work Mike! -Chad Mike 41, Saburo and JesseLee 3 Quote Completed Models: Triton Cross Section In Progress: Brig Eagle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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