kirill4 Posted January 19, 2021 Author Share #121 Posted January 19, 2021 Yes, there is a plan to do this with bonaventure ... and I want try to change scale from 72 to 100, than model will represent a bigger ship than GHind and to rearrange location and to add some guns ports... popeye the sailor and Hubac's Historian 2 Quote Current Build: Spanish Galleon, Lee, 1:100 https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6262-spanish-galleon-1607-by-kirill4-lee-plastic-1100/& https://karopka.ru/forum/forum190/topic10341/ Dutch 16-17 Arts Sailing Vessels in details https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/en/rijksstudio/1845326--kirill-shabanov/collections/arts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirill4 Posted March 13, 2021 Author Share #122 Posted March 13, 2021 Hello everyone!!! Comrades ... it's a shame to make this building with such delay... I'm making modest attempts to complete this long-term construction ... I'm trying to finish the anchor buoy + anchor gear arrangements based on information from John Harland "Seamanship in the age of sail" Bill Morrison, Blackreed, Hubac's Historian and 8 others 11 Quote Current Build: Spanish Galleon, Lee, 1:100 https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6262-spanish-galleon-1607-by-kirill4-lee-plastic-1100/& https://karopka.ru/forum/forum190/topic10341/ Dutch 16-17 Arts Sailing Vessels in details https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/en/rijksstudio/1845326--kirill-shabanov/collections/arts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirill4 Posted March 14, 2021 Author Share #123 Posted March 14, 2021 Shape and general idea of the bouy taken from here: John Harland" Seamanship in the age of sail", SOS 1637 by John McKay, https://uslhs.org/buoys-0 Bossman, Ryland Craze, Larry Cowden and 6 others 9 Quote Current Build: Spanish Galleon, Lee, 1:100 https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6262-spanish-galleon-1607-by-kirill4-lee-plastic-1100/& https://karopka.ru/forum/forum190/topic10341/ Dutch 16-17 Arts Sailing Vessels in details https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/en/rijksstudio/1845326--kirill-shabanov/collections/arts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Ensign Posted March 14, 2021 Share #124 Posted March 14, 2021 Great artistry and innovation to produce this wonderful model Kirill, many congratulations on a project well done. Regards, B.E. Tomasz B, md1400cs, popeye the sailor and 2 others 5 Quote Current Build: Medway-longboat-1742-by-blue-ensign-½”-scale Completed builds: HMS Indefatigable-1794-by-blue-ensign-vanguard-models-1:64-scale HMS Sphinx 1775 by Blue Ensign. 1:64 scale - Vanguard Models Queen-Anne-Royal-Barge-circa-1700-by-Blue-Ensign Fifie fishing boat Lady Eleanor Muirneag-1903-–-a-scottish-zulu-fishing-boat-164-scale-based-on-the-vanguard-models-zulu-kit/ HM Cutter Alert 1777 HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 18th-century-English-longboat-by-Blue-Ensign-ms-148-scale/ 18thc English Pinnace by Blue Ensign-Model-Shipways-1:24 scale/ HMS-Pegasus-by-Blue-Ensign-finished-Victory-Models-1:64-scale/ Heller Seventy-four 1:150 scale - modified Le Superbe/Le Glorieux kit after Boudriot, waterline setting with sails. The schooner Pickle, Jotika pob kit 1:64 scale, my interpretation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72Nova Posted March 14, 2021 Share #125 Posted March 14, 2021 Such a beautiful model Kirill, well done Sir. Michael D. popeye the sailor, Blackreed and Tomasz B 3 Quote Completed: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/20561-reale-de-france-by-72nova-finished-heller/ HMS Victory 1765: https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipPrp-3y7ntwH1vwfFsMMf0bWByRebwVKqePmRLqCx3aptq5sMlGZp_LtYv0v-seiQ?key=RWdjbWRKQWs2X1JSaDAyVTRuMHk5U3dOTHJCSDVB Completed: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/33007-vasa-by-72nova-airfix-plastic/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirill4 Posted March 17, 2021 Author Share #126 Posted March 17, 2021 B.E. Michael, Thank you very much for attention to my building Small progress : "designed" the hinges of the cannon port covers on a new basis, made an imitation with the help of an acrylic contour "dark silver" ... removed the imitation of ropes for opening the lids ... will be without ropes Hubac's Historian, Bill Morrison, Jeff T and 8 others 11 Quote Current Build: Spanish Galleon, Lee, 1:100 https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6262-spanish-galleon-1607-by-kirill4-lee-plastic-1100/& https://karopka.ru/forum/forum190/topic10341/ Dutch 16-17 Arts Sailing Vessels in details https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/en/rijksstudio/1845326--kirill-shabanov/collections/arts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruma Posted March 18, 2021 Share #127 Posted March 18, 2021 Kirill, this is really a masterpiece. A testament of what can be done with a humble plastic kit as a base and a ton of skills to upgrade it. Thank you for sharing! Cirdan, md1400cs and popeye the sailor 3 Quote Current build: Cutty Sark - Revell - 1:96: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25323-cutty-sark-by-bruma-revell-196/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirill4 Posted March 18, 2021 Author Share #128 Posted March 18, 2021 Dear Bruma, Thank You very much for kind comment and attention! popeye the sailor 1 Quote Current Build: Spanish Galleon, Lee, 1:100 https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6262-spanish-galleon-1607-by-kirill4-lee-plastic-1100/& https://karopka.ru/forum/forum190/topic10341/ Dutch 16-17 Arts Sailing Vessels in details https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/en/rijksstudio/1845326--kirill-shabanov/collections/arts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirill4 Posted March 18, 2021 Author Share #129 Posted March 18, 2021 Hello everyone! a little continuation ... No 1 "redesigned" the rudder... painted in the color of the underwater part, a couple of years ago there were objections that the rudder should also be painted, like the underwater part of the hull ... removed the "safety" chains, put cable ... I can't remember what they are called ... and there are big doubts that it is necessary to show them like this ... it seems there should be only one cable ??? I do not mean a hoist for emergency control, but a cable that would hold the rudder blade and prevent its loss in case of accident ... somewhere there was recently information on this topic, but I can't remember where !!! crezy try to check the pictures of the Dutch artists which I have, but there the rudder is not secured in any way ... I continue to design \ improvisation \ anchor device, information from the books by John Harland "Seamanship in the age of sail" and John McKay "SOTS 1637" ... Honestly, here I'm just trying to reproduce those working diagrams that are presented in the books, for the sake of interest by and large ... but, how to say, on the scale of the model, the geometry of engineering structures does not fit in any way, (in the sense of this form, I think it won't work properly: oops) but here it is, that is ... what Vincenzo Luszi (author of this reconstraction , and this plastic kit reproduction)"prescribed", as they say ... you won't go too far Archi, Cirdan, GrandpaPhil and 2 others 5 Quote Current Build: Spanish Galleon, Lee, 1:100 https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6262-spanish-galleon-1607-by-kirill4-lee-plastic-1100/& https://karopka.ru/forum/forum190/topic10341/ Dutch 16-17 Arts Sailing Vessels in details https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/en/rijksstudio/1845326--kirill-shabanov/collections/arts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirill4 Posted March 19, 2021 Author Share #130 Posted March 19, 2021 have big doubts I did my rudder-pendant in right way... need to make some rearrangements... I would like to make it as it is shown on WR model pictrs 05,06... understood this is too far from spanish galleon period and historic accuracy but |I like this version... anyway I don't have other clear evidance how it could be\ or must be arranged on the end 16-early 17 th century galleon...🤔😁 Archi, popeye the sailor and GrandpaPhil 3 Quote Current Build: Spanish Galleon, Lee, 1:100 https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6262-spanish-galleon-1607-by-kirill4-lee-plastic-1100/& https://karopka.ru/forum/forum190/topic10341/ Dutch 16-17 Arts Sailing Vessels in details https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/en/rijksstudio/1845326--kirill-shabanov/collections/arts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubac's Historian Posted March 19, 2021 Share #131 Posted March 19, 2021 Kirill - when there is a lack of any clear evidence pointing you in the right direction, I like to think about what makes the most practical sense; given the rudder’s importance to the ship, it makes sense that it would be secured from both sides for added insurance. It is another curious thing that - despite the super detailed drawings of the Elder VDV - he never seemed to draw the rudder pendants. And the ships are always depicted in the heat of action, or the immediate aftermath when the pendants would surely have been in place. Shoutout to Arsenio Hall: things that make you go “HMMMM”! popeye the sailor and Cirdan 2 Quote We are all works in progress, all of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirill4 Posted March 19, 2021 Author Share #132 Posted March 19, 2021 Marc! You just spoke loudly my thoughts !!!:)))z I don't know why... WR model had a few modern time reconstructions... and this is made it not relaible 100% source any more, but it seems very logical ( regarding modern sence) in respect of rich of rigging details and it looks very nice and I like it very much from estetic point of vew :)))... and rudder details as well seems to me very logical ... There are rudder pendats and at the same time we could see emergency rudder tackles fitted! I don't belive that all this things should be fitted sumaltency , but they are ! May be it was made just for more demonstrative purposes ,how all thise things works!? If need to be more hustoric accurate, I think we need to follow what shown on VDV Elder / Yonger pictures as well ... By the way, same arrangements of rudder pendahts- one only from one side( as on the VDV arts) we could see on that famous model oof dutch 17th c. ship GrandpaPhil and popeye the sailor 2 Quote Current Build: Spanish Galleon, Lee, 1:100 https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6262-spanish-galleon-1607-by-kirill4-lee-plastic-1100/& https://karopka.ru/forum/forum190/topic10341/ Dutch 16-17 Arts Sailing Vessels in details https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/en/rijksstudio/1845326--kirill-shabanov/collections/arts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72Nova Posted March 19, 2021 Share #133 Posted March 19, 2021 Kirill regarding the rudder, the logical thinking to me would be the pendant whether single or double would lead to the deck where one can have some control of it as illustrated in the William Rex photo or thru the transom like in your last picture. Do you plan to rig the fish pendant tackle also?, it's seldom ever seen rigged on models mainly because it would be removed once the anchor is secured, but just adds that much more detail. I rigged it on the starboard side of my Victory. Michael D. popeye the sailor 1 Quote Completed: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/20561-reale-de-france-by-72nova-finished-heller/ HMS Victory 1765: https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipPrp-3y7ntwH1vwfFsMMf0bWByRebwVKqePmRLqCx3aptq5sMlGZp_LtYv0v-seiQ?key=RWdjbWRKQWs2X1JSaDAyVTRuMHk5U3dOTHJCSDVB Completed: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/33007-vasa-by-72nova-airfix-plastic/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirill4 Posted March 19, 2021 Author Share #134 Posted March 19, 2021 Good day Michael, Yes, I have such plan to rig the fish pendant tackle ... I try to follow information from the books John Harland "Seamanship in the age of sail" and John McKay "SOTS 1637" , as I mentioned in #128... Have idea just to demonstrate rigged devices in actions without certain scenario :))) ... Franckly speaking , when imagine real situation, converting this scale model back to real size, I think things will not work ...there are numerous serious problems with entire design and almost each components ...dimensions,proportions of the hull and rigs,deck stuff - all wrong!:))) but as kind of art object only,as fantasy spanish galleon, it could has right to exist ! :)))... There are much more plastic models of scailing vessels designed more accurately... Could You give link to your Victory build please? in there is description in do plan popeye the sailor and Hubac's Historian 2 Quote Current Build: Spanish Galleon, Lee, 1:100 https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6262-spanish-galleon-1607-by-kirill4-lee-plastic-1100/& https://karopka.ru/forum/forum190/topic10341/ Dutch 16-17 Arts Sailing Vessels in details https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/en/rijksstudio/1845326--kirill-shabanov/collections/arts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72Nova Posted March 19, 2021 Share #135 Posted March 19, 2021 Hi Kirill, I totally agree with you on all counts and really the only resolution is to scratch build the ship to as exact scale as possible and one can spend a decade and easily more on such a project. I thought I provided a link in Marc's build log?, granted It's only pictures....HMS Victory of 1765 - Google Photos Michael D. popeye the sailor and Hubac's Historian 2 Quote Completed: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/20561-reale-de-france-by-72nova-finished-heller/ HMS Victory 1765: https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipPrp-3y7ntwH1vwfFsMMf0bWByRebwVKqePmRLqCx3aptq5sMlGZp_LtYv0v-seiQ?key=RWdjbWRKQWs2X1JSaDAyVTRuMHk5U3dOTHJCSDVB Completed: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/33007-vasa-by-72nova-airfix-plastic/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff T Posted March 19, 2021 Share #136 Posted March 19, 2021 6 hours ago, kirill4 said: Franckly speaking , when imagine real situation, converting this scale model back to real size, I think things will not work ...there are numerous serious problems with entire design and almost each components ...dimensions,proportions of the hull and rigs,deck stuff - all wrong!:))) but as kind of art object only,as fantasy spanish galleon, it could has right to exist ! :)))... I agree — and what a wonderful art object it is! Such amazing detail — it looks real, even though it could not be real. popeye the sailor and Hubac's Historian 2 Quote Jeff Current build: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/24519-spanish-galleon-by-jeff-t-revell-196-plastic-with-modifications/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirill4 Posted March 20, 2021 Author Share #137 Posted March 20, 2021 Michael, Thank You very much for the link to your Victory. It is Great! I realy can imagine how it was complicated and interesting to make all of this details! Exelent job You did!!! :))) Jeff, Thank You for kind comments and attention to my build :))) Hubac's Historian, popeye the sailor and Jeff T 3 Quote Current Build: Spanish Galleon, Lee, 1:100 https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6262-spanish-galleon-1607-by-kirill4-lee-plastic-1100/& https://karopka.ru/forum/forum190/topic10341/ Dutch 16-17 Arts Sailing Vessels in details https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/en/rijksstudio/1845326--kirill-shabanov/collections/arts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirill4 Posted March 20, 2021 Author Share #138 Posted March 20, 2021 Thanks Michael for this fotoes! It is Great !!! Great building ! I can only imagine , but wery well imagine how it was and how much costs in all aspects- to complete such project!!! Fantastic job!!! :))) Some years ago I purchased a few most famous in the world big scale plastic models ...that time (approx 10 years ago ...)I planned to assemble them somewhere in the future, one by one :))) ha - ha! but now looking at your model and dafi Victory , I realaised it could be life time project for me , to complete only one set ///OK , may be two of them! :))) popeye the sailor and Hubac's Historian 2 Quote Current Build: Spanish Galleon, Lee, 1:100 https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6262-spanish-galleon-1607-by-kirill4-lee-plastic-1100/& https://karopka.ru/forum/forum190/topic10341/ Dutch 16-17 Arts Sailing Vessels in details https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/en/rijksstudio/1845326--kirill-shabanov/collections/arts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirill4 Posted March 21, 2021 Author Share #139 Posted March 21, 2021 (edited) Hello everyone, a small sequel - "designed" the balcony, I wanted it to have muzzles, based on the Galleons in the Vroom paintings ... Edited March 21, 2021 by kirill4 Jeff T, Hubac's Historian, Archi and 2 others 5 Quote Current Build: Spanish Galleon, Lee, 1:100 https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6262-spanish-galleon-1607-by-kirill4-lee-plastic-1100/& https://karopka.ru/forum/forum190/topic10341/ Dutch 16-17 Arts Sailing Vessels in details https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/en/rijksstudio/1845326--kirill-shabanov/collections/arts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72Nova Posted March 21, 2021 Share #140 Posted March 21, 2021 Well done Kirill, did you use a modeling clay for the muzzle? Michael D. popeye the sailor 1 Quote Completed: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/20561-reale-de-france-by-72nova-finished-heller/ HMS Victory 1765: https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipPrp-3y7ntwH1vwfFsMMf0bWByRebwVKqePmRLqCx3aptq5sMlGZp_LtYv0v-seiQ?key=RWdjbWRKQWs2X1JSaDAyVTRuMHk5U3dOTHJCSDVB Completed: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/33007-vasa-by-72nova-airfix-plastic/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirill4 Posted March 21, 2021 Author Share #141 Posted March 21, 2021 it was some conventional two components epoxy massa... "cold welding" something... actualy it is not good for modeling purposes, just it was under hand, and I used it... popeye the sailor 1 Quote Current Build: Spanish Galleon, Lee, 1:100 https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6262-spanish-galleon-1607-by-kirill4-lee-plastic-1100/& https://karopka.ru/forum/forum190/topic10341/ Dutch 16-17 Arts Sailing Vessels in details https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/en/rijksstudio/1845326--kirill-shabanov/collections/arts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirill4 Posted March 22, 2021 Author Share #142 Posted March 22, 2021 Hello everyone! Re: post 129 ... Slightly reorganized the "steering gear" ... again, without much historical reference, if only to the William Rex model, or Prince William: shock: but certainly not to the Spanish Galleon of the early 17th century, although why not? There must have been some similar device! Hubac's Historian, GrandpaPhil, Archi and 2 others 5 Quote Current Build: Spanish Galleon, Lee, 1:100 https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6262-spanish-galleon-1607-by-kirill4-lee-plastic-1100/& https://karopka.ru/forum/forum190/topic10341/ Dutch 16-17 Arts Sailing Vessels in details https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/en/rijksstudio/1845326--kirill-shabanov/collections/arts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72Nova Posted March 22, 2021 Share #143 Posted March 22, 2021 You nailed Kirill, looks very nice and functional.👍 Michael D. popeye the sailor and Hubac's Historian 2 Quote Completed: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/20561-reale-de-france-by-72nova-finished-heller/ HMS Victory 1765: https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipPrp-3y7ntwH1vwfFsMMf0bWByRebwVKqePmRLqCx3aptq5sMlGZp_LtYv0v-seiQ?key=RWdjbWRKQWs2X1JSaDAyVTRuMHk5U3dOTHJCSDVB Completed: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/33007-vasa-by-72nova-airfix-plastic/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirill4 Posted March 22, 2021 Author Share #144 Posted March 22, 2021 Thank you Michael, Oh!! No!! I see ,I misplaced blocks position! Should be other way around! Damn!😡 need to rigg it again! popeye the sailor 1 Quote Current Build: Spanish Galleon, Lee, 1:100 https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6262-spanish-galleon-1607-by-kirill4-lee-plastic-1100/& https://karopka.ru/forum/forum190/topic10341/ Dutch 16-17 Arts Sailing Vessels in details https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/en/rijksstudio/1845326--kirill-shabanov/collections/arts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirill4 Posted March 23, 2021 Author Share #145 Posted March 23, 2021 Good day everyone! remade "steering gear"... and prepared guide blocks for blind sheets scrubbyj427, popeye the sailor, Hubac's Historian and 2 others 5 Quote Current Build: Spanish Galleon, Lee, 1:100 https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6262-spanish-galleon-1607-by-kirill4-lee-plastic-1100/& https://karopka.ru/forum/forum190/topic10341/ Dutch 16-17 Arts Sailing Vessels in details https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/en/rijksstudio/1845326--kirill-shabanov/collections/arts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubac's Historian Posted March 23, 2021 Share #146 Posted March 23, 2021 Extremely well done, Kirill! popeye the sailor 1 Quote We are all works in progress, all of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirill4 Posted March 24, 2021 Author Share #147 Posted March 24, 2021 Dear Marc! Thank Your very much !!! :))) It gives motivation when someone else watch your plastic model experiments!!! One month remains till the end of my vacation... And! I'm seriously intend to complete this fuk...g looong project in this time :))) !!! popeye the sailor 1 Quote Current Build: Spanish Galleon, Lee, 1:100 https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6262-spanish-galleon-1607-by-kirill4-lee-plastic-1100/& https://karopka.ru/forum/forum190/topic10341/ Dutch 16-17 Arts Sailing Vessels in details https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/en/rijksstudio/1845326--kirill-shabanov/collections/arts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72Nova Posted March 24, 2021 Share #148 Posted March 24, 2021 And what might be your next masterpiece Kirill? Michael D. popeye the sailor 1 Quote Completed: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/20561-reale-de-france-by-72nova-finished-heller/ HMS Victory 1765: https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipPrp-3y7ntwH1vwfFsMMf0bWByRebwVKqePmRLqCx3aptq5sMlGZp_LtYv0v-seiQ?key=RWdjbWRKQWs2X1JSaDAyVTRuMHk5U3dOTHJCSDVB Completed: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/33007-vasa-by-72nova-airfix-plastic/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirill4 Posted March 24, 2021 Author Share #149 Posted March 24, 2021 (edited) Good day Michael, Most probably - Airfix " Golden Hind"... I liked very much how accurate they present elizabethuan galleon... I want to imagine it like 1:100 scale , not actually as kit stated " GH",... I waht to make a little bit rearangements ... and make it with 4 masts ...planned to make it like some kind of "Elizabeth Jonas "model,mixed with Piter Kirsch reconstraction of english galleon 🤪 And as mix of futures and decors as in this famous pictures( Vroom as on extrime right side galleon shown)... Edited March 24, 2021 by kirill4 GrandpaPhil, popeye the sailor and Hubac's Historian 3 Quote Current Build: Spanish Galleon, Lee, 1:100 https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6262-spanish-galleon-1607-by-kirill4-lee-plastic-1100/& https://karopka.ru/forum/forum190/topic10341/ Dutch 16-17 Arts Sailing Vessels in details https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/en/rijksstudio/1845326--kirill-shabanov/collections/arts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirill4 Posted March 24, 2021 Author Share #150 Posted March 24, 2021 (edited) Good day everybody, Continue with making anchor gears ... started with port side , I fixed anchors to the hull constraction and chanel by the pieces of metal wire... Edited March 24, 2021 by kirill4 GrandpaPhil and popeye the sailor 2 Quote Current Build: Spanish Galleon, Lee, 1:100 https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6262-spanish-galleon-1607-by-kirill4-lee-plastic-1100/& https://karopka.ru/forum/forum190/topic10341/ Dutch 16-17 Arts Sailing Vessels in details https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/en/rijksstudio/1845326--kirill-shabanov/collections/arts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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