drtrap Posted March 12, 2018 Author #931 Posted March 12, 2018 Hey guys, any tip or advice on how to drop/hang symmetrically the footropes and yards ropes in general...? Especially for the spritsail yard, the relative procedure is a real hedache... Thanks Quote
drtrap Posted March 12, 2018 Author #933 Posted March 12, 2018 9 minutes ago, Davemc said: i use counter weights Hi Davemc and thank you. Did you use any watered carpenter glue or floor varnish as a hardener for the footropes? Cheers mort stoll 1 Quote
Beef Wellington Posted March 12, 2018 #934 Posted March 12, 2018 One thing I did Stergios (I used the supplied CC rope), was to ensure that it had been fully straightened to remove any kinks ( simply running through fingers or leaving a length suspended from a door frame with a clamp on one end as a small weight). It should then hang a lot more naturally, and if necessary then a little watered down PVA can help as well once on place. drtrap 1 Quote Cheers, Jason "Which it will be ready when it is ready!" In the shipyard: HMS Jason (c.1794: Artois Class 38 gun frigate) Queen Anne Royal Barge (c.1700) Finished: HMS Snake (c.1797: Cruizer Class, ship rigged sloop)
drtrap Posted March 13, 2018 Author #935 Posted March 13, 2018 Davemc, jason, thank you so much. I've prepared two rope-specimen (using watered pva and floor varnish respectively). I'll inform you about the final results... Quote
drtrap Posted March 14, 2018 Author #936 Posted March 14, 2018 20 hours ago, drtrap said: Davemc, jason, thank you so much. I've prepared two rope-specimen (using watered pva and floor varnish respectively). I'll inform you about the final results... Well, i think that the floor varnish is the best option to stabilize ropes and footropes and give a natural sense of the whole creature. Removing the pins-counterweights from the pva hardened rope leaves a rope sticky spot at the place of each pin which is totally undesirable.... Quote
drtrap Posted April 24, 2018 Author #937 Posted April 24, 2018 These days the yards dpt is working hard to achieve the best possible balance and footropes-symmetry. Stay in touch. Quote
drtrap Posted May 14, 2018 Author #938 Posted May 14, 2018 (edited) Rigging of the yards: almost finished (a bit of touch up and a final trimming is needed). Edited May 14, 2018 by drtrap Beef Wellington, Tim Curtis, Altduck and 4 others 7 Quote
drtrap Posted June 15, 2018 Author #940 Posted June 15, 2018 Hi to everyone. After the final trimming of the yards I'm showing you the latest picture of the ship and this way the stage of the current construction. Sorry for the anti-dust cover Now, I really need your recommendations on "how to proceed, next": working on the standing rigging ?, working upwards (and outwards)?, leaving the vulnerable bowsprit and its rigging for later? Doing something else? Thank you in advance. Stergios BenD, Old Collingwood, Beef Wellington and 2 others 5 Quote
Davemc Posted June 15, 2018 #941 Posted June 15, 2018 I worked from the back having first put in the stays Quote
drtrap Posted June 16, 2018 Author #942 Posted June 16, 2018 On 15/6/2018 at 8:41 PM, Davemc said: I worked from the back having first put in the stays Hi Davemc and thank you. To put all the stays correctly you have to attach the bowsprit mast in place, right? Quote
Beef Wellington Posted June 17, 2018 #943 Posted June 17, 2018 Bowsprit standing rigging does not interfere with the other masts - I also started from the back. Quote Cheers, Jason "Which it will be ready when it is ready!" In the shipyard: HMS Jason (c.1794: Artois Class 38 gun frigate) Queen Anne Royal Barge (c.1700) Finished: HMS Snake (c.1797: Cruizer Class, ship rigged sloop)
drtrap Posted June 18, 2018 Author #944 Posted June 18, 2018 On 17/6/2018 at 5:59 AM, Beef Wellington said: Bowsprit standing rigging does not interfere with the other masts - I also started from the back. Hi Jason To my knowledge, to be able to put and finish the stays (main and preventer) I have to fix the bowsprit dowel in advance. Am I wrong somewhere? Beef Wellington 1 Quote
Beef Wellington Posted June 18, 2018 #945 Posted June 18, 2018 (edited) Hi Stergios - my apologies, I used the wrong words in a hurry. The bowsprit does need to be fitted as you describe for the main, preventer stays to be completed. There is also a fair amount of standing rigging on the bowsprit that I would suggest doing before you do that. I think I actually did the bowsprit standing rigging before actually starting the mast standing rigging working from the stern. What I meant to say above was that its not really necessary to attach the jib boom at this point - makes manipulating the model much easier as the jib boom seems to be an accident waiting to happen. Good Luck! Edited June 18, 2018 by Beef Wellington drtrap 1 Quote Cheers, Jason "Which it will be ready when it is ready!" In the shipyard: HMS Jason (c.1794: Artois Class 38 gun frigate) Queen Anne Royal Barge (c.1700) Finished: HMS Snake (c.1797: Cruizer Class, ship rigged sloop)
drtrap Posted June 25, 2018 Author #946 Posted June 25, 2018 (edited) Edited June 25, 2018 by drtrap Quote
drtrap Posted June 25, 2018 Author #947 Posted June 25, 2018 On 18/6/2018 at 3:27 PM, Beef Wellington said: Hi Stergios - my apologies, I used the wrong words in a hurry. The bowsprit does need to be fitted as you describe for the main, preventer stays to be completed. There is also a fair amount of standing rigging on the bowsprit that I would suggest doing before you do that. I think I actually did the bowsprit standing rigging before actually starting the mast standing rigging working from the stern. What I meant to say above was that its not really necessary to attach the jib boom at this point - makes manipulating the model much easier as the jib boom seems to be an accident waiting to happen. Good Luck! Hi Jason and thank you again. I think I've finished with the standing rigging of the bowsprit. The rest of it's rigging, needs to have attached the bowsprit to the ship. Pic to follow... So (excluding the jib boom, I strongly agree with you), what's in your opinion the very first point to start with working the rigging form the stern? Cheers. Stergios Quote
drtrap Posted June 26, 2018 Author #948 Posted June 26, 2018 (edited) Everytime I'm seeing the plan, I feel more unsecure about those "H" structures, named as "3 mm single blocks" in the plan... It is possible to be in fact 3 mm deadeyes? I tried to find a reference using Petersson rigging period ship models, but no chance.... What do you think? Thank you Edited June 26, 2018 by drtrap Quote
Davemc Posted June 26, 2018 #949 Posted June 26, 2018 the attached should answer your question KARAVOKIRIS, drtrap, Beef Wellington and 1 other 4 Quote
drtrap Posted June 26, 2018 Author #950 Posted June 26, 2018 6 minutes ago, Davemc said: the attached should answer your question Wow, so they are blocks indeed, but single (?) ..!! I thought it was wrong the whole plan, I thought "H" was 3mm deadeye or 3mm double block.... Thank you so much anyway Davemc! Stergios BenD, mort stoll, egkb and 1 other 4 Quote
drtrap Posted July 4, 2018 Author #951 Posted July 4, 2018 Bowsprit mast initial rigging accomplished. I'm about to remove it to keep it away of the ship till its final fixing and rigging [to preserve it against unexpected accidents]. Ryland Craze, egkb, BenD and 2 others 5 Quote
drtrap Posted August 5, 2018 Author #952 Posted August 5, 2018 (edited) Mizzen mast backstays almost ready. Next stop the main mast backstays. Edited August 5, 2018 by drtrap J Harreld, Ryland Craze, KARAVOKIRIS and 1 other 4 Quote
drtrap Posted August 5, 2018 Author #953 Posted August 5, 2018 Now ready to place the main mast back stays and those (spotted in red) ropes structures (i'm not sure about their terminology). A question in brief: I've applied serving at the upper 1/5 of the shrouds of the main mast, those days. Should I continue the some way (serving) of those rope structures, too? Thank you Quote
Davemc Posted August 5, 2018 #954 Posted August 5, 2018 Sorry beyond my knowledge and skill level Dave Quote
drtrap Posted August 6, 2018 Author #955 Posted August 6, 2018 On 8/5/2018 at 9:06 PM, Davemc said: Sorry beyond my knowledge and skill level Dave Thank you Dave. I still can't understand their role and orientation. Am I dealing with those so-called "main topmast halliards" (L. Petersson page 39)? Studying the Snake plans I'm not seeing any connection with the yards.... Any advise from someone senior modeller? Thank you. Quote
GrandpaPhil Posted August 7, 2018 #956 Posted August 7, 2018 They look like back stays to me. There should be a set on each side. The halyards would be on the running rigging diagram. drtrap and davyboy 2 Quote Building: 1:200 Russian Battleship Oryol (Orel card kit) 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships)
davyboy Posted August 7, 2018 #957 Posted August 7, 2018 Hi drtrap. As GrandpaPhil says these are two of the Topmast backstays they are called running breast backstays according to Lees. Dave drtrap 1 Quote
Tim Curtis Posted August 8, 2018 #958 Posted August 8, 2018 They are your topmast backstays and should be served at the top I think, in a similar way to the shrouds. See photo below from Marsalv's fantastic model of the Pandora. drtrap and Ryland Craze 2 Quote
drtrap Posted August 8, 2018 Author #959 Posted August 8, 2018 (edited) Thank you all for your replies. It was my fault to show you a wrong initial picture... I'm asking you about the threads noted in the circle (see pic below) ...... Those are different ropes, A 1mm and B 0,75 mm and I dont think those are the topmast backstays... Apart for the issue of the serving I'm trying to realize their orientation and final (could be a yard ??) attachment . Thank you again. Edited August 8, 2018 by drtrap Quote
davyboy Posted August 8, 2018 #960 Posted August 8, 2018 (edited) Hi drtrap, They are the Topmast backstays,respectively from fore to aft. The first is the Shifting Backstay. The second is the Breast Backstay. The third is the Standing Backstay which is set up with deadeyes. I have checked Steels' dimensions of Standing and Running rigging,he quotes for a 6th rate ship such as HMS Snake :- 4 1/2" rope for the Standing Topmast Backstay and the Shifting Backstay and 3" rope for the Breast Backstay hence the two different sizes quoted on your plan for A and B. They have nothing to do with yards or running rigging. I have just noticed that there is an almost identical arrangement on the Foremast except the Breast Backstay is further aft. I hope this helps with your problem. Kind regards, Dave Edited August 8, 2018 by davyboy drtrap 1 Quote
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