pilidk Posted February 20, 2015 #1 Posted February 20, 2015 Hello ! I usually build old ships,like the Victory. My older brother and his wife has worked on the MS Seabourn star (former Royal Viking Queen) and he would like me to build him a model of this beautiful cruise ship. I don´t know how to approach this challenge.... What material I should use, and how to use plastic. Does anybody has experience with this kind of build? If you have any photos, ship plan, advice. Please do write me Thank you in advance !! Best regards Philippe Quote
robnbill Posted February 20, 2015 #2 Posted February 20, 2015 If you go on YouTube and search for Building Cruise Ship Model you will see amny different examples from Legos to plastic to wood. Here is one that I found particularly interesting from England. twintrow, pilidk, popeye the sailor and 5 others 8 Quote Bill Chantilly, VA Its not the size of the ship, but the bore of the cannon! Current Build: Scratch Build Brig Eagle Completed Build Log: USS Constitution - Mamoli Completed Build Gallery: USS Constitution - Mamoli
figuerres Posted February 20, 2015 #3 Posted February 20, 2015 before I would worry about the material to build from I would do research on the ship, getting a copy of the plans and what did it look like when he was on it. the "as built" plans may not show the same ship he was on depending on what the ship line updated on the ship. for example opening a deck and adding a pool. also if you can not get the exact plans you may get plans for the "type" they may have built say 5 or 10 that are 99% the same. and how large of a model are you willing to make / how large does he want ? that will also impact what material to use. when you know more details of the size and how it looked then that should guide you on using wood / plastic / metal etc.... pilidk 1 Quote Holding at Rigging stage : MS Bluenose 1:64, rigging and finish work Building Hull : MS Fair American 1:48 In the yard: 18th Century Longboat, Model Shipways Kit Done: AL Bounty Jolly Boat
reklein Posted February 20, 2015 #4 Posted February 20, 2015 Taubmann plans service may have plans of your ship. Just Google Taubman plans service. Bill pilidk 1 Quote Bill, in Idaho Completed Mamoli Halifax and Billings Viking ship in 2015 Next Model Shipways Syren
pilidk Posted February 20, 2015 Author #5 Posted February 20, 2015 Hi guys, Thanks for your first input. The total length has to be between 60 to 80cm. I have been on the internet to find plans of the ship, without luck so far, Not even Taubman has it! The german dockyard only build to of these ships, Seabourn Pride and Seabourn Spirit. Identical sisterships. I have contacted Seabourn, but they are not willing to sell og show me their blueprints. The dockyard is out of business... I am thinking building her with planks on bulkheads. Actually, a great help could be to find a plan for a cruise line bulkheads in the same type as the Seabourn Spirit. Have a good weekend ! Quote
mtaylor Posted February 21, 2015 #6 Posted February 21, 2015 One way to find plans as such, would be to locate one of the brochures they used to give travel agents that basically showed the cabins on every deck. Some brochures even showed cross-sections and cut-aways. pilidk 1 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
robnbill Posted February 21, 2015 #7 Posted February 21, 2015 You could deduce where the major bulkheads would be by looking at the cabin and public space layouts. However if you are looking for details of the crew spaces below the public spaces as well as the centralized corridors for crew only spaces, engine rooms, or bridge, these are generally not shown. However, usually the bridge is pretty easy to deduce looking at the ships profile. mtaylor and pilidk 2 Quote Bill Chantilly, VA Its not the size of the ship, but the bore of the cannon! Current Build: Scratch Build Brig Eagle Completed Build Log: USS Constitution - Mamoli Completed Build Gallery: USS Constitution - Mamoli
pilidk Posted February 21, 2015 Author #8 Posted February 21, 2015 Hi Rob and Mark, I have been crawling the net..again..and wrote to the shipyard. But just found out at they went out of business in 2009. So, as you suggest, I will have to deduce the form of the hull. For the decks, a precise interpretation of the pictures from the net is also the only way forward. Such a pitty, not to be able to find some documentation of this beautiful ship I will try to make some drawings of my build, so other model maker can use them. Have a wonderful weekend! Hope you guys are not freezing in the US Philippe Quote
twintrow Posted February 21, 2015 #9 Posted February 21, 2015 Philippe I did a quick Google search on the two ships you named and a massive amount of information came up. It included a site about both the Spirit and Pride showing deck layouts(see attached photo), etc. from which you can determine the shape of the hull quick easily. The site also shows many photos of the ships exterior. http://www.cruise-australia.net/Seabourn-Yachts-5.htm Tom mtaylor 1 Quote
wq3296 Posted February 21, 2015 #10 Posted February 21, 2015 Greetings pilidk, I have been on many cruise ships (not to be confused with ocean liners). I suggest you start with a bath tub. wq3296 Quote
Jaager Posted February 21, 2015 #11 Posted February 21, 2015 The quick and dirty approach would be to do wood, solid hull lamination - interior hollowed out - or not - using : White Pine, Basswood, Yellow Poplar, or Tupelo. Quote NRG member 50 years Current: NMS HMS Ajax 1767 - 74-gun 3rd rate - 1:192 POF exploration - works but too intense -no margin for error HMS Centurion 1732 - 60-gun 4th rate - POF Navall Timber framing HMS Beagle 1831 refiit 10-gun brig with a small mizzen - POF Navall (ish) Timber framing The U.S. Ex. Ex. 1838-1842 Flying Fish 1838 pilot schooner - POF framed - ready for stern timbers Porpose II 1836 brigantine/brig - POF framed - ready for hawse and stern timbers Vincennes 1825 Sloop-of-War - POF timbers assembled, need shaping Peacock 1828 Sloop-of -War - POF timbers ready for assembly Sea Gull 1838 pilot schooner - POF timbers ready for assembly Relief 1835 packet hull USN ship - POF timbers ready for assembly Other Portsmouth 1843 Sloop-of-War - POF timbers ready for assembly Le Commerce de Marseilles 1788 118 cannons - POF framed La Renommee 1744 Frigate - POF framed - ready for hawse and stern timbers
pilidk Posted February 22, 2015 Author #12 Posted February 22, 2015 Hi Guys ! I have, finally, found a former captain from the Seabourn ship on Facebook. He agreed to send me some plans from the ship, and i just received them. It looks like the one Tom found on the net, but they are more precise with the correct dimensions. Thank you very much all of you for your help Best regards Philippe (pilidk) mtaylor 1 Quote
allanyed Posted February 22, 2015 #13 Posted February 22, 2015 Philippe Your solution proves the old saying has validity, where there is a will, there is a way! Great idea that you had. I have seen some fantastic plastic scratch build models wherein (as I remember his explaining how he did it) the hull was shaped with pine or some such, then some type of opaque sheet plastic (may have been polystyrene) from the local hobby store was heat shrinked around the wooden plug. He did the same for many of the upper works from what I recall and they looked remarkable. Also knocked off a lot of weight when the wooden plugs are removed. Allan pilidk 1 Quote PLEASE take 30 SECONDS and sign up for the epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series. Click on http://trafalgar.tv There is no cost other than the 30 seconds of your time. THANK YOU
pilidk Posted February 22, 2015 Author #14 Posted February 22, 2015 Hello Allan, Thank you for your message Do you remember where you saw this technic ? It could be a technic I would like to try. Best regards Philippe Quote
allanyed Posted February 23, 2015 #15 Posted February 23, 2015 (edited) I used to be a member of the New Jersey Ship Modeling club, but I do not remember the name of the member that showed this. You may want to PM Chuck Passaro as he is an active member of the club and may have a recollection, or if not, he can ask the membership. I believe their monthly meeting is tomorrow night. It has been some years since I saw the technique so only the older members may remember. Good luck Allan Edited February 24, 2015 by allanyed pilidk 1 Quote PLEASE take 30 SECONDS and sign up for the epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series. Click on http://trafalgar.tv There is no cost other than the 30 seconds of your time. THANK YOU
pilidk Posted February 23, 2015 Author #16 Posted February 23, 2015 Thank you Allan, I will try to find Chuck Passaro and aske him about it. Have a good day, Best regards Philippe Quote
hexnut Posted February 23, 2015 #17 Posted February 23, 2015 I think Kees de Mol's "Antje" build of a Dutch trawler might be a very good reference for hull construction--maybe just the solid hull without the thermo-forming, depending upon your shop facilities... http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/8435-kw49-antje-dutch-sidetrawler-by-kees-de-mol-1959-scale-175/ Quote Regards, Bob Marvin Muscongus bay Lobster Smack -Midwest- 1:24- (1st wooden build) Gertrude L. Thebaud Mini-Mamoli 1/200 kitbash
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