ziled68 Posted February 9, 2014 #1 Posted February 9, 2014 (edited) Greetings to all, I am currently requesting access to the rest of the pdf files for the H.M.S. Triton cross section. I realize that the plans are for 1:48 scale but I am choosing to go at it on a 1:24 scale. There are two reasons why I am choosing this scale; 1. at a larger scale I can add extra details to the model, 2. I have large mitts for the smaller details required for a build. Attached you will find the photos showing what I have thus far. Edited June 9, 2014 by ziled68 Elmer Cornish, fatih79, justsayrow and 1 other 4 Raymond Current Build: USF Essex Completed Builds: 1745 Mediator Sloop 1:147 scale New Bedford Whaleboat H.M.S. Triton cross-section Vietnamese_Junk
AnobiumPunctatum Posted February 9, 2014 #2 Posted February 9, 2014 Welcome at the Triton shipyards. IO wish you a lot of fun with your build Regards Christian Current build: HM Cutter Alert, 1777; HM Sloop Fly, 1776 - 1/36 On the drawing board: English Ship Sloops Fly, 1776, Comet, 1783 and Aetna, 1776; Naval Cutter Alert, 1777 Paused: HMS Triton, 1771 - 1/48 "Have no fear of perfection - you'll never reach it." Salvador Dali
harvey1847 Posted February 9, 2014 #3 Posted February 9, 2014 Welcome aboard Ray! Looking at your previous logs... You do go the tough way re-drawing the plans and patterns with pencil... Way to go! I think the moderators will "move" you to our Cave on the "online proyects"... don´t be surprise, "Scratch Build Logs in Progress" is reserved for Masters of the Dark Side of The Universe... Best wishes! daniel. In the shipyard: HMS Triton 1773. POF. 1:48. Daniel On the computer: R.A. Principe de La Paz. POF. 1:48. Daniel
mtaylor Posted February 9, 2014 #4 Posted February 9, 2014 I just moved this to the appropriate forum. Hope you have fun with this build, Raymond. Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
ziled68 Posted February 9, 2014 Author #5 Posted February 9, 2014 Many Thanks to all, I used to be a carpenter before my current career and I absolutely miss making sawdust fly and encouraging timber to change its appearance into something else. The way I see it, tackling a build such as a cross section will lay the stepping stones for a complete model. AntonyUK and 42rocker 2 Raymond Current Build: USF Essex Completed Builds: 1745 Mediator Sloop 1:147 scale New Bedford Whaleboat H.M.S. Triton cross-section Vietnamese_Junk
42rocker Posted February 9, 2014 #6 Posted February 9, 2014 Raymond On this site also, I wish you the best of luck with the build. And Enjoy the build at this scale. Later Tim Current Build -- Finishing a 1:1 House that I've been building for a while Current Build -- Triton Cross Section
ziled68 Posted February 9, 2014 Author #7 Posted February 9, 2014 Thanks Tim, It seems wherever I go I'll always be junior to you. LOL. On a side note, with the crash MSW experienced last year, do you know if they still have the plans available? Raymond Current Build: USF Essex Completed Builds: 1745 Mediator Sloop 1:147 scale New Bedford Whaleboat H.M.S. Triton cross-section Vietnamese_Junk
ziled68 Posted February 9, 2014 Author #8 Posted February 9, 2014 Never mind Tim, I just read your other post on MSB. Thanks. Raymond Current Build: USF Essex Completed Builds: 1745 Mediator Sloop 1:147 scale New Bedford Whaleboat H.M.S. Triton cross-section Vietnamese_Junk
mtaylor Posted February 9, 2014 #9 Posted February 9, 2014 Thanks Tim, It seems wherever I go I'll always be junior to you. LOL. On a side note, with the crash MSW experienced last year, do you know if they still have the plans available? The plans for the full build and the cross-section are available here in the download area once access is granted. Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
ziled68 Posted February 9, 2014 Author #10 Posted February 9, 2014 Thanks Mark. I look forward to seeing them and getting started on my build. Raymond Current Build: USF Essex Completed Builds: 1745 Mediator Sloop 1:147 scale New Bedford Whaleboat H.M.S. Triton cross-section Vietnamese_Junk
AntonyUK Posted February 9, 2014 #11 Posted February 9, 2014 Hi Raymond. Nice to have you aboard. A interesting project that will give you and us people who look over your shoulder. Got my chair and looking forward to lots of photos on the Triton at this scale. I know you problem have ... But read through others build logs. There is a lot of skilled modellers out there that have built the Triton. Along with them comes a wealth of skills and tips that have helped a lot of people on this forum All the best. Regards Antony. Best advice ever given to me."If you don't know ..Just ask. Completed Mayflower Completed Fun build Tail boat Tailboat Completed Build Chinese Junk Chinese Pirate Junk Completed scratch built Korean Turtle ship 1/32 Turtle ship Completed Santa Lucia Sicilian Cargo Boat 1/30 scale Santa Lucia On hold. Bounty Occre 1/45 Completed HMS Victory by DeAgostini modelspace. DeAgostini Victory Cross Section Completed H.M.S. Victory X section by Coral. HMS Victory cross section Completed The Black Pearl fun build Black Queen Completed A large scale Victory cross section 1/36 Victory Cross Section
ziled68 Posted February 9, 2014 Author #12 Posted February 9, 2014 Many thanks for the warm welcome Anthony. I will start conducting research until I get access to the plans as to the ship's inventories for this time frame. This way, when it comes time for the extra details I won't have to wait. Raymond Current Build: USF Essex Completed Builds: 1745 Mediator Sloop 1:147 scale New Bedford Whaleboat H.M.S. Triton cross-section Vietnamese_Junk
mtaylor Posted February 10, 2014 #13 Posted February 10, 2014 Raymond, You should have access now. Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
ziled68 Posted February 10, 2014 Author #14 Posted February 10, 2014 Mark, Thanks for the info, I looked over the list of plans and boy, is it overwelming. But I'll just dive right in, "Sink or Swim" I'll go down kicking and screaming. mtaylor 1 Raymond Current Build: USF Essex Completed Builds: 1745 Mediator Sloop 1:147 scale New Bedford Whaleboat H.M.S. Triton cross-section Vietnamese_Junk
Rustyj Posted February 10, 2014 #15 Posted February 10, 2014 Hi Raymond and welcome to the Triton Club. Good choice on building in the 1:24 scale. You will find it a whole new enjoyable experience. Best of luck! Rusty "So Long For Now" Current Builds: Speedwell Completed Build Logs: HMS Winchelsea 1/48 Duchess of Kingston USF Confederacy , US Brig Syren , Triton Cross Section , Bomb Vessel Cross Section, Cutter Cheerful, Queen Anne Barge, Medway Longboat Completed Build Gallery: Brig Syren , 1870 Mississippi Riverboat , 1949 Chris-Craft 19' Runabout
ziled68 Posted February 11, 2014 Author #16 Posted February 11, 2014 Greetings to all, I've just taken a preliminary look at the plans and if you've already done so than you know it is quite extensive. As I was mulling everything over, I noticed the cross section does not coincide with the full build version. I only mention this is because the first time I saw a cross section back in '86, I fell in love with the idea of either owning one or making one. One of the appeals that did it for me was the main mast, main top mast, and main topgallant mast along with their main yard, main topsail yard, main topgallant yard, and main royal yardnot to mention its standing rigging. As such, I've taken the liberty to tweak the cross section plans by first, renaming the frames and second, adding three more frames aft of of the current drawing. Since I am going the route of adding the mast, I am forced to go down in scale and build it at 1:48 scale rather than the 1:24 I originally planned. Attached you will see the alteration to the plans I made so far and I would appreciate it if someone much more knowledgeable then me can tell me if I hit the nail on the head or totally missed the mark. On a side note, does anyone know if there are detailed drawings for the masts? Anxiously awaiting any and all information regarding this request. Elmer Cornish and 42rocker 2 Raymond Current Build: USF Essex Completed Builds: 1745 Mediator Sloop 1:147 scale New Bedford Whaleboat H.M.S. Triton cross-section Vietnamese_Junk
mtaylor Posted February 11, 2014 #17 Posted February 11, 2014 Raymond, It does NOT correspond to the full version, intentionally. It was designed only to give people experience doing plank on frame and the conficts were due to decisions by the designer to simplify things somewhat. As for adding to the build, peruse the completed builds. There's several with additions such as wells, shot lockers, etc. Masting is on a spreadsheet. 42rocker 1 Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
ziled68 Posted February 11, 2014 Author #18 Posted February 11, 2014 Many thanks for the clarification Mark. Out of curiousity, would you be able to rename my title to 1:48 rather than 1:24? Raymond Current Build: USF Essex Completed Builds: 1745 Mediator Sloop 1:147 scale New Bedford Whaleboat H.M.S. Triton cross-section Vietnamese_Junk
mtaylor Posted February 11, 2014 #19 Posted February 11, 2014 Raymond, It's been changed. Just so you know, any topic you have started and you want to rename later, just go to the very first post in the topic and hit "edit". Then hit "use full editor". Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
ziled68 Posted February 11, 2014 Author #20 Posted February 11, 2014 Mark, I really appreciate it, thanks. Raymond Current Build: USF Essex Completed Builds: 1745 Mediator Sloop 1:147 scale New Bedford Whaleboat H.M.S. Triton cross-section Vietnamese_Junk
ziled68 Posted February 11, 2014 Author #21 Posted February 11, 2014 Hello to all, I’ve made a little progress today on the Triton. I remade the keel, false keel, and keelson at the new correct scale and also made them longer to incorporate the additional three frames necessary to add the main mast. Upon completing the keel, I marked the areas that will receive the frames to ensure everything was on the up and up. I decided to experiment making my first frame by following Gene’s explanation on the Eagle and it really seems straight forward. After cutting the 3/16 basswood to size, I marked my working sheet in order to get the correct angles needed to follow the frames contour. Once all the pieces were cut, I laid wax paper on my drawing and placed futtocks 1, 3, and the top timber followed by the floor timber and futtocks 2 and 4. After everything was glued and in place, I placed a board on top of the frame and a car jack to compress everything and hold it in place (please don’t judge me, that’s all I had on hand). I’ve decided that what I will do is cut patterns with correct angles of all futtocks from card stock and go to town and knock out the other 11 frames. mij, 42rocker, Elmer Cornish and 2 others 5 Raymond Current Build: USF Essex Completed Builds: 1745 Mediator Sloop 1:147 scale New Bedford Whaleboat H.M.S. Triton cross-section Vietnamese_Junk
russ Posted February 11, 2014 #22 Posted February 11, 2014 Why are you not using the plans? Each piece of each frame has already been drawn out so that the frames could be put together piece by piece. They are included with the cross section drawings that have been made available for this build. Russ harvey1847 and WackoWolf 2 T'aint a hobby if you hurry Completed projects Cross section model by Russ 1/48 scale Biloxi schooner model restoration 1/24 scale Biloxi oyster skiff 1/24 scale Biloxi schooner 1/48 scale POB Current project Biloxi lugger Captain Roy 1/48 scale POB
ziled68 Posted February 11, 2014 Author #23 Posted February 11, 2014 Russ, I thought I'd experiment and try something new in order to see if it would work. It is only my first frame and if it seems to cause more problems than it is worth, then I'll cut the individual pieces and and glue them together. 42rocker 1 Raymond Current Build: USF Essex Completed Builds: 1745 Mediator Sloop 1:147 scale New Bedford Whaleboat H.M.S. Triton cross-section Vietnamese_Junk
russ Posted February 11, 2014 #24 Posted February 11, 2014 Raymond: I asked because it seems like you are reinventing the wheel here. I designed the project specifically for first time builders. Everything was drawn out so you would not have to experiment or have any doubts about the building process. Of course, it is your model and you can do whatever pleases you. Knock yourself out. Russ WackoWolf and harvey1847 2 T'aint a hobby if you hurry Completed projects Cross section model by Russ 1/48 scale Biloxi schooner model restoration 1/24 scale Biloxi oyster skiff 1/24 scale Biloxi schooner 1/48 scale POB Current project Biloxi lugger Captain Roy 1/48 scale POB
mtaylor Posted February 12, 2014 #25 Posted February 12, 2014 Raymond, The way you're building your frames now is much like the Hahn method. That method does leave a few things to be desired in that it wastes a lot of wood, and if every joint isn't perfect the frame won't be as strong, however, it is faster. Cutting out each futtock and joining them saves the wood, ensures each joint is precise and if chocks are added, it can be exactly as the real ones were made. The disadvantage is that it's slower. As Russ said, build it your way. 42rocker, russ, WackoWolf and 1 other 4 Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
ziled68 Posted February 12, 2014 Author #26 Posted February 12, 2014 Thanks Mark, I really appreciate the tactful explanation you've provided. It's just with the big mitts I have, it's harder to control/grasp smaller pieces and figured with a larger piece to handle it would be easier. Once again, thank you. Raymond Current Build: USF Essex Completed Builds: 1745 Mediator Sloop 1:147 scale New Bedford Whaleboat H.M.S. Triton cross-section Vietnamese_Junk
harvey1847 Posted February 12, 2014 #27 Posted February 12, 2014 Hello Raymond! When I have seen your first attempt to do a single frame my brain has said "Arrgggh...!!!" RE-THINK the way your going to build it. I have had lots of fun cutting and sanding every single piece from the plans. I doubt this way would be easier. Tou have to print another plan, cut it, sticker it and cut it or sand it... Anyway, are just only my thoughts. With total respect about your decision... Good luck! Daniel. In the shipyard: HMS Triton 1773. POF. 1:48. Daniel On the computer: R.A. Principe de La Paz. POF. 1:48. Daniel
mtaylor Posted February 13, 2014 #28 Posted February 13, 2014 Thanks Mark, I really appreciate the tactful explanation you've provided. It's just with the big mitts I have, it's harder to control/grasp smaller pieces and figured with a larger piece to handle it would be easier. Once again, thank you. I suggest trying it both ways. I built the Cross-Section as designed and my current project is the Hahn method. I've got the stubby fat fingers and really didn't have much issue either way. You might surprise yourself. 42rocker 1 Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
WackoWolf Posted February 13, 2014 #29 Posted February 13, 2014 What Mark said about it wasting wood is 100% right. The HMS Warrior by the Rev. is also done that way and I wasted a heck of a lot of wood that way also. Just my 2 cents. Wacko Joe Go MSW :)
ziled68 Posted February 14, 2014 Author #30 Posted February 14, 2014 I sincerely wish no one takes it to heart what I think necessary to get off my chest. When I first came across MSW, I thought it would be great to join a community that shared the love of model ship building like I do. When I came across the H.M.S. Triton I thought it would be fun and decided to give it a whirl, not so much for other people’s approval, but for the love of model ship building. As the adage goes, “There is more than one way to skin a cat”. Keeping this in mind, I decided to build my model the way I felt comfortable doing it and decided to share my work with people that had similar interests as I do. No sooner had I posted my day’s work, when someone decided to judge me (and my methods) and leave me feeling disappointed, angry, and a sense that people were looking down their noses at me. I decided that I would not finish the Triton, but the love of model ship building was too great and it overcame my anger and disappointment. Seeing how she was coming to life before my eyes, I thought, “I’ll build you the way I want” all the while singing Elvis Presley’s, “I did it my way”. Now that being said, I was able to get five more frames done and upon dry fitting them to the keel, I was not able to help but smile to myself at how great she was starting to look. I still have to get more timber in order to complete the last six frames necessary in order to get started on the inside. I’ve downloaded, “Anatomy of the Ship, The 74-gun ship Bellona” and am currently referencing the items I want to incorporate into my build such as the mast step, shot lockers, pump well, pumps, and quarterdeck rail just to mention a few items. Since I will soon get the other frames completed, I will start on the jig that will support my build. Below are a few photos showing what I have so far. maddog33, mij, 42rocker and 1 other 4 Raymond Current Build: USF Essex Completed Builds: 1745 Mediator Sloop 1:147 scale New Bedford Whaleboat H.M.S. Triton cross-section Vietnamese_Junk
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