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  1. Richard I am curious as I cannot find anything of an HMS Syren circa 1802. From what I did find, Syren of 1782 was in sea service up until she was put to harbor service from 1805 and broken up in 1822. HMS Siren was to have been a 32-gun fifth-rate, ordered in 1805 but was cancelled in 1806. If Syren 1782 went through refitting after the 1790s she possibly could have had stern davits installed. I suspect the 18 foot cutter (clinker built) would have been the boat hung from a set of the davits. The earlier davits were not capable of handling larger boats so the launch and pinnace may not have been hung. I remember in previous research that 36 gun frigates commonly had only stern davits, thus it may be OK to conclude that there would only be stern davits for the cutter and no quarter davits. Allan
  2. Richard, I quote from W.E. Mays. In the 1790s an additional system was introduced. Davits were for the first time fitted on each quarter of ships for hoisting two of the lighter boats, usually cutters. ........Boats hoisted at davits came often to be called quarter-boats. According to Admiral of the Fleet Sir Thomas Byam Martin this innovation had not yet appeared in 1790. The earliest example that I have been able to trace was in an order of 1798 that a number of 64-gun ships and some smaller, which were being fitted as transports, should each have a launch, with a jolly boat to stow inside it on the spar-deck, and two 25 foot cutters which were to hang at davits on each quarter. Fixed stern davits were introduced in the 1790s. these were used to handle a sea-boat, most commonly the smallest cutter called the jollyboat. So, Syren of 1782 would not have davits, as-built. That is not to say they were not added at a later date. As to being a fountain of information, I just happen to be lucky enough to have collected several dozen good books. Allan
  3. Richard According to W. E. May a 32 in about 1781 had a 23/24 foot launch, 30 foot pinnace, and 18 foot cutter. Cutter replace pinnaces in many cases starting about 1782/83. Lavery states that yawls were used in place of cutters earlier on. Neither mentions a 22 foot cutter. so choose your poison. Allan
  4. Nice handle Semore. Share your name please :>) I looked at the RMG collections and the Aggy (64 guns) was 1781 out of Bucklers Hard and Vanguard (70 guns) was 1745 built to the 1745 Establishment and then another in 1787, a 74 (out of Deptford yard) and then again in 1835 (80 guns out of Portsmouth.) It is not likely there were any similarities to Aggy, certainly not sister ships. Maybe I missed one somewhere in between. There are a couple drawings of Vanguard dated 1748 built to the 1745 Establishment but not sure if it is the same ship as from 1745 as the drawing is dated 1745. Allan
  5. Mrmdpc Glad to meet you. What is your name? Hope this helps. It is from Chapelles American Fishing Schooners, page 381. Allan
  6. Joe To order digital copies from RMG (Royal Museums Greenwich - the old National Maritime Museum) you need to get an order form emailed to you from them and then print and fill it out then mail or fax it to them. Send an email with the ID numbers of the items you want to order (definitely include the contract with the first drawings you order). You can contact and let Freya know what you are looking for and she will send you the form. They do not want email orders due to security reasons on your cc account number so need to fax or mail. Pain in the neck, but does work. Regarding them not being sister ships as Gary mentions, that may very well be the case, but a number of the available drawings list both ships for the same drawing. Allan
  7. VACorsair Who are the artists of these paintings? Thanks Allan
  8. Hi How do we address you? I suspect Joe is not right :>) The National Maritime Museum (RMG) Collections has a drawing that shows the body plan of the Newscastle 1813 very clearly. (Object ID ZAZ7813) You can get a fuzzy glimpse on line, but for a clear drawing you will of course have to buy a paper copy or better, get an electronic transfer and download directly into your drawing program. I downloaded the drawing that they show on line into my Cad program and I can see that the HD drawing will be clear. I see they have framing plan, inboard profile, and deck plans for Leander and/or Newcastle so there is a lot of great information there to be had. They also have the Newcastle 39 page contract (Object ID ADT0071) which will give you all the scantlings. The contract is a gold mine of information. Cost will probably be $200 or $300 dollars for all that you need but over a few years that averages $10-$12 per month which is probably not too terrible. Between the drawings and the contract you will have pretty much the same information that they had at Blackwall shipyard. Allan
  9. I am thoroughly enjoying the Thomas Kydd series. I have it on Kindle so can get definitions as there are a lot of archaic words used. Not absolutely needed though and they have been fun reads from Thomas being pressed on board to making Post Captain on a frigate through the first 8 books or so and quite a few more to go. Allan
  10. Welcome aboard Mark With all the rainy days in your neck of the woods, you will likely have more modeling time than most! Cheers Allan
  11. Welcome Shaunzy Your project will indeed take perseverance but it will keep you out of the casinos as you won't have the time! Better to have money for tools than the tables :>) Allan
  12. J There would be several different size lines for the standing rigging. The fore, main and mizzen back stays and fore stays are different as are the shrouds to name a few. For the model, I would not go crazy, but if you use 3 or perhaps 4 sizes, it will probably be enough to give the impression of different sizes throughout and will look far more realistic than using one size for everything. Allan
  13. Lou Fancy rail and fancy cap are new ones for me. Maybe they mean the cap rail which is just that, the rail that caps the top of the frames. The fashion piece - On the ship and on a framed model these are the aft most hull half frames to which the transoms are mated. Allan
  14. The best I could find on the internet about turnbuckles are quotes calling them out from about 1850. Were they prevalent in usage on yachts, I have no idea. Allan
  15. Martin Here is a page that may help. I have no idea why it flips when I attach it here as it is right side up on my file page. What does that line in the eyebolt go to? Years ago I had a chance to sail on a number of boats from monomoys to Weatherly but never saw anything like this. Allan