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@druxey I only have this one picture and it still is a guess. can anybody confirm or correct? In our german forum the opinion still goes towards handling main and fore yard. XXXDAn -
There are plenty of small details like the eyebolts indicating the position of the guns on the forecastle, the lying knee in the waist, the form of the channels ... XXXDan
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In NMM I discovered 2 pair of scuttles on the deck of Victory SLR0512 as planned/build. One pair is behind the foremast, near the waist and one on the quarterdeck a bit aft the mainmast. They are fitted each wich a pair of ringbolts. What was their purpose?!? As they have a certain regular distance to the mast and by the way they are paired, my best and well educated guess is that they are to pass the ropes to the capstans on the lower decks. Pass through for ammunition seems not as plausible in this setup http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/66473.html SLR0512 Scale: 1:60. A model of H.M.S Victory (1765) made entirely in wood that has been painted in realistic colours with metal fittings. [...] Date made Mid-18th century Even though the resolution is not too good on the pictures of the model of the Royal George (1756) it could be, that there also is something. Does anybody have better pictures? http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/66297.htmlSLR0336 If one looks at the section, the position makes sense. The capstan in the foremast works well with the bars kept free ... ... and also explains that the scuttles have to be closer to the mainmast. Funnily McKay also indicate some special feature in this area of the deck framing. Any more enlightenment or confirmation of this theory?!? Are there any other models or sources indicating this detail? XXXDAn XXXDA
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Just found this at NMM, showing the detail on the Queen Charlotte 1789 :-) http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/66516.html SLR0555 Scale: 1:60. A contemporary full hull model of the three-decker 100-gun first-rate ‘Queen Charlotte’ built plank on frame in the ‘Georgian’ style. The quality and finish of the model is exceptional both in the construction and the lavish carved and painted decoration. The ‘Queen Charlotte’ was launched at Chatham Royal Dockyard in 1789 and measured 190 feet along the gun deck by 52 feet in the beam and had tonnage of 2278. She was Lord Howe’s flagship at the Battle of the First of June in 1794 and also took part in Lord Bridport’s action off Croix in 1795. She was accidentally set alight off Leghorn in 1800 with the loss of nearly 700 lives. Date made circa 1789
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By contrast to what Lil´Wife says, the dafi is teachable. In deed! This time the deck beams for the fore castle are prebent :-) A simplified deck pattern, looks good immediately. Still found some material for two rows of planking ... ... and the two small scuttles that can be seen on the 1765 model. XXXDAn
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@Jan + Kevin Anyway too easy ;-) I wait until the middle deck is done, then I decide to do the orlop and after this, once lower, middle and upper gun deck is done, I will decide to do the hold :-) So, everybody happy now ?!? :-) :-) :-) XXXDAn
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No Jan, before I can do the upper gun deck, I have to solve the middle one :-) But now see the return of the weevil. After some absence due to work trips, I managed to do some small things. Does any one remember this piece? This was tiller v1 until January 08 2012 before tiller 2.0 took over the helm. So the recipe says to steer some pinches of tiller v1 ... ... chop it in pieces and use it as construction beams to get a feeling for the fo´castle. The layout of the beams was taken from McKay as it appears to be plausible. Here the resulting corrections in the placement of the gratings as a result of the changes: Then trow in some planks ... ... and compare with the kit(d)s parts You may guess which is which, here a better hint ;-) So and then the double bill on the poop takes its toll: I was running out of planks ... Have to cut new ones, that might take time. XXXDAn
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Wonderful project! I love the idea with the buoy repair, very nice touch. At first I thought: "Hey, what is this guy doing on the top of a torpedo?!?" XXXDAn
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HMS Victory main mast section by guraus - 1:48
dafi replied to guraus's topic in - Build logs for subjects built 1751 - 1800
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Comparison of Victory kit manufacturers
dafi replied to dchrismiller's topic in Wood ship model kits
I just would mention one thing - de not forget the Heller version ;-) in my humble opinion still one of the best sailing ship kits if one gives a bit of TLC! XXXDAn- 19 replies
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Just prior to go on a business trip, I managed to finish the new deck Left old, right new, the planking pattern is much more even now. Then got small pieces of wire, moulded on a head with diluted PVC glue in multiple layers to level up the still appearing unevennesses ... ... splashed some paint on it and put them in place. And then the exiting part: Try it out in situ :-) Heyho, you won´t believe this, now the world looks much brighter again :-) XXXDAn
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THAT my dear Jan made my day! For those not knowing german: The Iron states "kein heller Stoff" means "not for white cloth" as it may leaves marks, it is only a workshop iron. With all the marks on the writing one could read instead "Not for Heller Stuff". NOW I now what went wrong :-) XXXDan
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You remember? New poopdeck? With the deck beams on the right place? For this I took the Heller kit piece as a basic part, as camber and sheer suited quite well. But me stupid cupid did not think that the amount of not precurved deck beams would flatten up the piece that much ... ... bolt straight. That was no good so it had to be changed. Made two templates on the side to support the forming. A wet cloth and a hot iron to soften up wood and plastic ... ... and pressed it in between two planks. As for the antiartic temperatures at the moment the whole thing was transferred into the fridge ... ... and great, the missing camber was really there :-) But also a negative curve in the sheer :-( Also the parquet suffered a bit :-( :-( :-( Tjo ... ... what does the dafi think at these moments?!? GREAT!!! The planking pattern had anyway some flaws and around the mast there were a lot of patched holes from misplaced eyebolts ... ... so got out a new deck, relocated the hole for the skylight in the already documented fashion and started scraping of the wood grains ... ... and the best anyway - as a result of the procedure, the old deck beams already had the right curve ... ... and some paint and the underneath was already done :-) :-) :-) XXXDAn
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Thank you Kirby and Popeye :-) The clearing of the cast pieces went rather fast and easy, the slots only had to be drilled open for the ropes later on. Getting the rubber silicone out from the original parts after the first misdone form cast was much more tiring, as one cant simply drill or pull the material out as it proved to be too small. XXXDAn
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Not too much time for tinkering, it is high season in the office :-) And then I had the ingenious idea to make castings of the bitts, as I somehow feel, that I could still use them on other situations ;-) So I took the green Pricosil and casted and sworn my a.. off as I tried for hours to get this highly slot-intruding rubbery mass out off the slots again... So lessons learned, text trial was with inlays of the firmer kneading silicone ... ... and it worked :-) Cleaning up a bit, some touches of paint and ready for the first family shots. That is already going the direction I had in mind :-) Cheers, Daniel
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Through a hint by a german forums mate I found the following The 3 arms atop are operated by wires with a chain in the area of the pinion shaft. The arm on the bottom possibly is manipulated by hand and only indicates the orientation of the device. Question: How are the three arms operated? By a sliding pinion shaft? It looks like the 3 chains are on the same axis. Both bigger pictures come apparently from HMS Campertown, so the nation and timeframe would fit. HMS Campertown 1885 Wikipedia XXXDAn
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I realised some "chimneys" on the 19th century Victory that by now I identy to be semaphores. I already found a nearer picture from aboard the Vic :-) If my interpretation is wright, it could be a x-formed stand with metal bars as bracings, a middle pole with the operating unit at chest level and the semaphores on top. I also think it could be a transportable unit for training purposes, to send messages from fo´castle to the poop. So that means: Time to have a closer look :-) Does anybody has further reference upon the maritime version of these instruments? Google mostly shows railroad versions. Cheers, Daniel
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